Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[YoNoSe]

This trilogy really happened, right?
Sometimes I think it’s more likely that everyone I know is just ****ing with me.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Wow, adjusted for inflation, TROS is going to finish up only about $50m ahead of AOTC's global total. Almost as shocking as it ending up almost exactly even with Joker globally.

What's kind of staggering is that Disney's total negative cost on TROS was over $400m (possibly as high as $450 as the production budget has been reported as anywhere from $275m to closer to TLJ's just-under-$320m,) meaning breakeven was around $800-900m - that's still a $150m profit and non-theatrical to come along with being a big driver of merch, but that's probably getting a little thin for Disney in the context of Galaxy's Edge issues.

Especially when you consider Frozen 2 cost half that - $150m (with total negative cost maybe $250m, so break-even is $500m)- and has earned close to $1.5B worldwide.

It was the final act of a Star Wars trilogy that featured the swan songs of Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher at a time that children of the 80s have lots of money and kids of their own. Anything short of record setting TFA type numbers should be considered a major disappointment. Also marred by lots of dysfunction and controversy across the span of the trilogy when it should have been a relatively smooth record breaking ride. Heads should roll, starting at the top.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yeah... and Disney (or any studio) is not in the business of risking many hundreds of millions of dollars just to make $150M. A pretty sad ending to an amazing franchise.

Can't wait to see Joker pull ahead after its Oscar wins.

 

[ironwez20]

Lol TLJ hurt this movie bad.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Yeah... and Disney (or any studio) is not in the business of risking many hundreds of millions of dollars just to make $150M. A pretty sad ending to an amazing franchise.

Can't wait to see Joker pull ahead after its Oscar wins.

I would also add that the Kennedy trilogy did way more damage than the $150M they actually made. Solo was a big loser, longtime fans are jaded, the theme park is severely underperforming, merch is suffering, etc. It's also left the future of the franchise in question. Imagine how much money Disney could have made had this trilogy been embraced like Infinity War and Endgame. Kennedy and her chosen cohorts probably cost Disney over a billion dollars.

 

[Khev]

Kennedy and her chosen cohorts probably cost Disney over a billion dollars.

While saving us from a trilogy starring nothing but these guys:

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

While saving us from a trilogy starring nothing but these guys:

We will never know. It's just too bad Disney didn't have someone lined up with the talent of Feige and the love and feel for the franchise like Favreau.

 

[Khev]

Yeah. For people who want to dismiss the ST at least there's always RO and Mando.

 

[TaliBane]

I would also add that the Kennedy trilogy did way more damage than the $150M they actually made. Solo was a big loser, longtime fans are jaded, the theme park is severely underperforming, merch is suffering, etc. It's also left the future of the franchise in question. Imagine how much money Disney could have made had this trilogy been embraced like Infinity War and Endgame. Kennedy and her chosen cohorts probably cost Disney over a billion dollars.

It's true that given how mega-supercharged major IP franchises are these days - where despite breathy BO pronouncements, a billion globally is sort of entry-level - that at this point SW really should be at MCU level in terms of fan engagement and adoration. Like now, following the conclusion of the new Disney trilogy, there'd be spin-off franchises beginning and fans salivating for a new trilogy, hungry for more.

It's not really a fair comparison given so much MCU had never been on a movie screen and there was a ton of source material as roadmap (so this "Fiege knows best" idea I take with a grain of salt,) but the fact remains SW is one of the top franchises in history and its kind of burned out, in need of years of rest and perhaps best suited to streaming.

While saving us from a trilogy starring nothing but these guys:

I didn't really read about the micromachines SW trilogy GL had planned - was it really microbes or something? I assumed they were regular characters but their whole planets could exist in one of Chewy's turds, like that universe on the dog's collar in MIB.

I'm wondering what you'd be actually watching onscreen in these movies - like Avatar with Sea Monkeys who control Luke and Vader through a crystal ball of some kind?

 

[TaliBane]

Yeah. For people who want to dismiss the ST at least there's always RO and Mando.

For me, the four Mando eps I love surpassed RO - they actually felt like bullseyes to the OT and therefore SW, whereas for me RO wasn't quite there tonally and only about a third of it "clicked" as OT SW.

I think the key difference was fun too - Mando matched up to the OT in that blending of major stakes/gripping but also a lot of fun, humor and even pathos/heart, whereas how anyone couldn't see RO as mostly a real slog - dark/gritty (lighting and tonally,) dour, grimy, unshaven people murdering each other - I have no idea. The battle of the last third does transcend that for me, plus a few moments/sequences earlier.

Not to say RO doesn't work in what it does - the OT has a strong connection to the war movie genre and RO ran with that direction majorly - it just feels like a mismatch being set in the same week as a experience of pure good vs evil jubilation as ANH. I accepted it because I started to feel that you really couldn't match that unique OT tone, and it was also fun to see ANH rebooted as a hard-edged war movie with RO, but Mando came along and proved it can be done (even if for me it worked in only half the eps.)

 

[Khev]

It's true that given how mega-supercharged major IP franchises are these days - where despite breathy BO pronouncements, a billion globally is sort of entry-level - that at this point SW really should be at MCU level in terms of fan engagement and adoration. Like now, following the conclusion of the new Disney trilogy, there'd be spin-off franchises beginning and fans salivating for a new trilogy, hungry for more.

It's not really a fair comparison given so much MCU had never been on a movie screen and there was a ton of source material as roadmap (so this "Fiege knows best" idea I take with a grain of salt,) but the fact remains SW is one of the top franchises in history and its kind of burned out, in need of years of rest and perhaps best suited to streaming.

People talk about how the ST dropped the ball compared to the MCU but TROS was never going to be EG no matter what they did. It's just too much of an apples to oranges comparison. For them to be on even footing then Thanos would have had to show up in Avengers 1, get killed, then have Age of Ultron come out 30 years later when RDJ and Chris Evans were old men guiding a new team of superheroes. People were *very* forgiving of AOU (and other average to subpar films like Captain Marvel and so on) because of momentum with those particular characters and the film's proximity to the better made entries.

Now if SW could have just continued like the MCU with Han, Luke, and Leia in their *primes* fighting Palpatine in Episode IX in say the late 80's then that could have given modern day EG a run for it's money and then some (assuming this hypothetical ST stuck the landing with SW/ESB or even RO level quality.)

For me, the four Mando eps I love surpassed RO - they actually felt like bullseyes to the OT and therefore SW, whereas for me RO wasn't quite there tonally and only about a third of it "clicked" as OT SW.

I think the key difference was fun too - Mando matched up to the OT in that blending of major stakes/gripping but also a lot of fun, humor and even pathos/heart, whereas how anyone couldn't see RO as mostly a real slog - dark/gritty (lighting and tonally,) dour, grimy, unshaven people murdering each other

Now that would have been a much better subtitle than "A Star Wars Story," lol.

- I have no idea. The battle of the last third does transcend that for me, plus a few moments/sequences earlier.

Not to say RO doesn't work in what it does - the OT has a strong connection to the war movie genre and RO ran with that direction majorly - it just feels like a mismatch being set in the same week as a experience of pure good vs evil jubilation as ANH. I accepted it because I started to feel that you really couldn't match that unique OT tone, and it was also fun to see ANH rebooted as a hard-edged war movie with RO, but Mando came along and proved it can be done (even if for me it worked in only half the eps.)

I hope that the episode with the Jawas is in your top four Mando episodes. When I rewatched the whole series again that just stuck out as SW perfection to me. From the quiet opening with the Child trying to heal Mando's arm under the twilight sky, to the Sandcrawler wackiness, Kuill, the Mudhorn. Such great stuff in this lean little 30 minute package.

 

[jye4ever]

Oh look adjusted for inflation being used to prove the failure of a current movie.

Charlie Chaplin goes to Berlin totally destroyed End Game box office....

Impressive!

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[Captain Clown]

I love lamp.

 

[TaliBane]

Oh look adjusted for inflation being used to prove the failure of a current movie.

Charlie Chaplin goes to Berlin totally destroyed End Game box office....

Impressive!

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The focus was on negative cost versus global BO.

It's just fun to toss in AOTC because people are always shocked to realize that adjusted it earned over a billion globally. And in reality the number should be higher because of changes in the BO/theatrical landscape in those nearly two decades (but yes, equally there are factors that go against that logic also, as there is intense competition from other screen types today that didn't exist in 2002, making it harder to attract people to theaters today.)

And in today's dollars Gone With Wind only cost $70m and earned $1.8B DOMESTIC ONLY (god knows what it earned worldwide) so Chaplin can go leap off the skyscraper.

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Wow, that droid certainly set the world on fire. The R2D2 of the 2020's.

 

[ironwez20]

While saving us from a trilogy starring nothing but these guys:

Saved? lol Star wars is ruined. It started off as a huge event movie bigger than Avengers and now it's just there and lost all it's flare. it's ruined. People whine about the PT but the PT didn't do the amount of damage this has. Cause atleast you could disregard those. These are a continuation to the OT characters and they were ruined. A huge percent of fans hate it and kids don't embrace it.

A bunch of comic book characters outshined the biggest scifi franchise of all time

 

[jye4ever]

The focus was on negative cost versus global BO.

It's just fun to toss in AOTC because people are always shocked to realize that adjusted it earned over a billion globally. And in reality the number should be higher because of changes in the BO/theatrical landscape in those nearly two decades (but yes, equally there are factors that go against that logic also, as there is intense competition from other screen types today that didn't exist in 2002, making it harder to attract people to theaters today.)

And in today's dollars Gone With Wind only cost $70m and earned $1.8B DOMESTIC ONLY (god knows what it earned worldwide) so Chaplin can go leap off the skyscraper.



Wow, that droid certainly set the world on fire. The R2D2 of the 2020's.

Worst Star Wars droid ever lol


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[TaliBane]

Worst Star Wars droid ever lol


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I got the feeling it was a JJ creation that his art dept had to indulge.

 

[Getter Dragon]

the PT didn't do the amount of damage this has.

This is because the PT had a story, but were poorly made, while the ST were well made, but had no story. It's like poetry; they rhyme. Two trilogies and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of incompetence has sunk a once unsinkable brand. Star Wars time as the biggest film franchise on the planet is over. The King is dead. Long live The Avengers. It's nice to see Kennedy get another producer award this week though for her part in all this.

 

[Khev]

Star Wars time as the biggest film franchise on the planet is over.

I assume you're referring to 2002 when AOTC was outgrossed by Spider-Man, Harry Potter and The Two Towers?

 

[Getter Dragon]

I assume you're referring to 2002 when AOTC was outgrossed by Spider-Man, Harry Potter and The Two Towers?

That would be a fair assessment, but AOTC didn't destroy merchandise profits as TLJ has. TPM was so bad that it was the beginning of the end. TLJ was the final nail in the coffin. TROS was a failed attempt at necromancy.