Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[greedo737]

For those who love the prequels, watch these:


https://youtu.be/FxKtZmQgxrI

 

[jye4ever]

Pretty much

RLM remains king of PT annihilation lol


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[Shatterer of Dreams]

Arguing with PT apologists will go nowhere. They were most likely children when they saw those movies, so the very thing they rag on OT fans about - seeing things with their rose tinted glasses - is the exact same thing they are doing (the irony of this entire situation seems be completely lost on them.) Right down to hating the ST and swearing that nothing can be worse. They have no idea about that, other than reading some things, because they were children but now they are adults and think that the level of ST hate is unparalleled. Believe me, us OT fans blasted the PT at the same level that the ST is getting now.

My girlfriend's nephews; who are 12 and 10 respectively, love the ST and so do all their friends. Because they are children and live in their own world, they are not hearing about the levels of hate being spewed in places like this - I certainly don't tell them they are wrong for liking what they like. There will be a new generation that will rag on these ST haters in the same way that the children of the PT rag on the OT fans.

I suppose you can find it interesting that there are generations of fans arguing with each other over the different generations of the Skywalker/Palpatine families.

 

[jye4ever]

Arguing with PT apologists will go nowhere. They were most likely children when they saw those movies, so the very thing they rag on OT fans about - seeing things with their rose tinted glasses - is the exact same thing they are doing (the irony of this entire situation seems be completely lost on them.) Right down to hating the ST and swearing that nothing can be worse. They have no idea about that, other than reading some things, because they were children but now they are adults and think that the level of ST hate is unparalleled. Believe me, us OT fans blasted the PT at the same level that the ST is getting now.

My girlfriend's nephews; who are 12 and 10 respectively, love the ST and so do all their friends. Because they are children and live in their own world, they are not hearing about the levels of hate being spewed in places like this - I certainly don't tell them they are wrong for liking what they like. There will be a new generation that will rag on these ST haters in the same way that the children of the PT rag on the OT fans.

I suppose you can find it interesting that there are generations of fans arguing with each other over the different generations of the Skywalker/Palpatine families.

Very true us OT old farts did create the term Lucas raped our childhood which ironically is what lead to Lucas hating SW saying it was only ever meant for 12 year olds and then selling it to Disney and here we are lol


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[Shatterer of Dreams]

Yeah, not a fan of the "raped my childhood" thing as that is really extreme - South Park did a funny bit with that though.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah, not a fan of the "raped my childhood" thing as that is really extreme - South Park did a funny bit with that though.

The only thing raping my childhood now is the cost of collectibles holy crap lol

I want to go back to 1983 and show them how much Mafex is charging for their 6 inch action figures I think cocaine is actually cheaper


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[punisher1974]

The rape my childhood is stupid. I may not like every sequel that comes out to movies I love but it changes nothing to those classics for me. Raiders of the lost Ark is my favorite movie of all time and Empire Strikes Back is second. Robocop, Predator, Conan, Jaws, Rocky, Godfather, Rambo, Die Hard, Terminator, Lethal Weapon, Mad Max, and several others have some lackluster sequels but some decent ones as well. I watch what I like and drop the others from my personal canon. I think we all do. Khev and Jye, And Wor-Gar can all attest to this. I love the discussions because it can bring up some of the things we all have issue with. My biggest thing is as we grow older our tastes change and we see things differently. Sequel trilogy for me is like a hot super model. Pretty to look at but not fun to talk to as there is no substance. Prequel trilogy is like the nerdy librarian who you hope when she takes off her glasses turns out to be super hot but might not actually turn out so.

 

[jye4ever]

The rape my childhood is stupid. I may not like every sequel that comes out to movies I love but it changes nothing to those classics for me. Raiders of the lost Ark is my favorite movie of all time and Empire Strikes Back is second. Robocop, Predator, Conan, Jaws, Rocky, Godfather, Rambo, Die Hard, Terminator, Lethal Weapon, Mad Max, and several others have some lackluster sequels but some decent ones as well. I watch what I like and drop the others from my personal canon. I think we all do. Khev and Jye, And Wor-Gar can all attest to this. I love the discussions because it can bring up some of the things we all have issue with. My biggest thing is as we grow older our tastes change and we see things differently. Sequel trilogy for me is like a hot super model. Pretty to look at but not fun to talk to as there is no substance. Prequel trilogy is like the nerdy librarian who you hope when she takes off her glasses turns out to be super hot but might not actually turn out so.

Great post dude!

Same for me Raiders/ESB are top 2 although ask me tomorrow and i?ll replace ESB with ANH!

Because at the end of the day ESB truly can?t achieve its fullest potential without ANH where as ANH stands on its own 2 feet.


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[punisher1974]

Very true. Star Wars is the classic diamond in the rough Empire is polished and cut.

 

[Otomofan]

My childhood thankfully remains unraped.

This is just a personal theory, so take it with a grain of salt.....

Back in the early 90s comics were not mainstream like they are now. It was for nerds, by nerds, and it was a nerd industry only. And by god, we took it seriously.

The most controversial word among fandom and pros was that dreaded paradox:...."continuity." Continuity was of utmost importance to comic fans and when a write screwed up and contradicted established continuity, all hell broke loose.

Why? My personal theory is that we were nerds. Things didn't go the way we wanted them to in our personal lives. In middle school we were ridiculed...the cute girls didn't know we existed...the popular kids shunned us. But COMICS....comics was our realm. A realm of order, justice, and unbreakable rules.

So when those rules got broken in our personal little fantasy worlds it was doubly insulting. The writers and editors should have known better. One small slip in one issue of a character appearing who was supposed to be dead just threw all that order into chaos. It was maddening. Comics continuity was our small way of trying to regain CONTROL in our lives.

Little things like that drove me nuts for years. Inconsistencies, retcons, retcons that didn't work, retcons that were a huge slap in the face to longtime readers....(anyone remember "The Crossing" even where we learn Tony Stark was a murderous sleeper agent of Kang......during his ENTIRE EXISTENCE??)

And then along came the SW prequels which took everything we ever imagined about the backstory of our beloved trilogy and put it in a blender.

I think this was finally when I just accepted it......no more retcons, no more continuity, no more "making stuff up as you went alone."

I had an epiphany....."canon" is what you make it. Not what some corporation that holds the copyright to the intellectual property tells you. Take what you like and embrace it....leave the rest on the floor.

Once I freed my nerd brain from this slavish idea that continuity and canon "matters" and there's only one authority on that, it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders. The prequels don't really exist to me anymore. Not the way they looked visually at least. The images I had in my mind's eye of the Jedi and the Clone Wars were (and are) a thousand times better than anything Doug Chiang drew. So I just ignore them.

Obviously the same goes for the Disney Trilogy times a million. It's rancid, week old elephant dung. It doesn't exist to me, it never did, and never will. My own ideas of what Luke, Han, and Leia did after ROTJ are infinitely better.

The Mandalorian works for me on every level. I dig it. So far it's canon in my mind until it contradicts itself with something I don't like.

OK, the point of my ramble.....free yourself from the constraints of what some corporate entity is telling you is canon and established continuity. Just make your own based on the movies and media you love. You'll feel a lot happier, and the anger that this garbage has instilled in a lot of can just dissipate. Cause it's nothing. It's fan fiction written by people that have less right to tell stories about these characters than WE do. WE are the longtime fans. These are OUR characters. It's up to each of us individually to decide what happened after ROTJ. Or hell...if you didn't even like ROTJ....go all the way back to Star Wars and start your own story there.

 

[Sachiel]

For those who love the prequels, watch these:

https://youtu.be/FxKtZmQgxrI

I watched them and it really didn't have an effect on what I think of the prequels. I can make up my own mind.

I didn't have to watch any YT videos to come to the conclusion that the sequels are trash.

 

[Khev]

Lol at punisher1974's analogies.

And didn't the "rape my childhood" thing come about from the SE's? Because he pretty much *did* screw up our childhood films with those (I don't know that I'd say "raped" but that's internet hyperbole for you.) Obviously fan restorations like the ones we've been talking about the past few days make the SE's a moot issue fortunately.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I think there's some truth to both sides of the PT debate here. Yes, the PT movies take more criticism than they should because they get compared to the OT films. But, no, that doesn't mean that the PT movies are good movies on their own (even if you'd never seen the OT).

Liking the PT movies is perfectly fine (and there are lots of crappy movies that I enjoy too). But liking something in terms of being entertained by it does *not* make it high quality art. For a film to be considered good (or great), it needs to meet certain standards that have been set throughout the history of the medium.

To argue that any of the PT movies are good films, you have to be able to say that it holds up to other good films in several of the categories by which we judge cinema. Those categories include acting, dialogue, cinematography, pacing, narrative structure, thematic value, visual effects, sound effects, score, etc.

Where the PT shines are things like score and sound effects. Those are as good as any film ever made in the same genre. But to suggest that the PT can hold their own against the good/great genre films in the other categories is something that'd be hard for me to believe as a genuine argument being made with any intellectual honesty.

Again: *liking* a not-so-great movie is absolutely fine; but claiming that same movie to be objectively "good" or "great" should require a credible argument that it holds up to the standards set by other good/great films. If you legitimately think the PT does that, fine (I guess ); but trying to pretend that others can't point to areas where it fundamentally fails to meet several cinematic standards for excellence is just willfully ignorant, IMO.

 

[greedo737]

I watched them and it really didn't have an effect on what I think of the prequels. I can make up my own mind.

I didn't have to watch any YT videos to come to the conclusion that the sequels are trash.

Neither did I. He?s just good at putting it into words. Something I?m not good at. [emoji1787][emoji1787]

 

[jye4ever]

Instead of raped my childhood I think I?m just going to use the term Kevin Spacey my childhood.


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[punisher1974]

Instead of raped my childhood I think I?m just going to use the term Kevin Spacey my childhood.


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That's a new meaning to space case. Is being Spaceyed better than being Cosbyed?

 

[jye4ever]

Lol at punisher1974's analogies.

And didn't the "rape my childhood" thing come about from the SE's? Because he pretty much *did* screw up our childhood films with those (I don't know that I'd say "raped" but that's internet hyperbole for you.) Obviously fan restorations like the ones we've been talking about the past few days make the SE's a moot issue fortunately.

Term was definitely connected to the PT but in hindsight you are right it fully makes sense to attach it to the SE.

If I remember correctly the SE were almost universally well received by general audience but Greedo shooting first and Jabba did cause havoc for us diehards.

The PT hatred was as bad as for the ST but ST peaked with TLJ yet with the PT it was intense with all 3 lol

Now if you so kindly could send me the link to that 4K77 purchase location I think I may finally jump onboard fan made restorations.



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[Khev]

Now if you so kindly could send me the link to that 4K77 purchase location I think I may finally jump onboard fan made restorations.

Well it's about damn time, lol. You are so never gonna watch the SE's again now.

 

[darth dennis]

Well it's about damn time, lol. You are so never gonna watch the SE's again now.

Mine are on their way from the UK as we speak. And for those that frown on me purchasing...sorry, I don't have the equipment or patience to download for free and burn my own. I am not a hater of the Special Editions, but it's been a very long time since I saw the originals. Very excited!