Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Lol that literally no one followed Rose's "advice" in TROS. All of TLJ built up to her big "we win by saving what we love" moment and then in TROS they're immediately sacrificing the Falcon, their informants, 3PO, priceless First Order tokens, each other, their fleet, themselves, etc., because they actually want to win the war, lol.
 
Lol that literally no one followed Rose's "advice" in TROS. All of TLJ built up to her big "we win by saving what we love" moment and then in TROS they're immediately sacrificing the Falcon, their informants, 3PO, priceless First Order tokens, each other, their fleet, themselves, etc., because they actually want to win the war, lol.

Dude I am crying at work FO tokens holy crap lol


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Dude I am crying at work

Work? What are you doing at work?


This virus is seriously ruining my porn...


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I think you guys just don?t have a defense tbh. It?s just. PT bad. ST brought everything together

They have a defense, their defense is that we are blinded by love and little kids, and any ST criticism is just brushed under the rugged as "I won't debate you because PT" even though the post is about the ST :lol

Your right but it?s still fun to debate and drag on the ST and watch khev and jye defend it with no facts to back up there arguments.

Each post is bashing the PT even tho this is no better and even worse as a matter of fact. I think even PT fabs admit they aren?t good movies but you just love em cause of different aspects. I liked rots cause I was young when it cake out and it was a different tone from the rest of the movies. Also I love fall from Grace type stories.

Now ST fans seem to think the story was wrapped up nice and brought together well. They seem to look over the bad writing and horrible character development. I understand liking it as a guilty pleasure but to say it tied up loose ends and was a respectable way to continue the series is hilarious.

I don?t mind the PT but there is a crap ton of stuff I would of changed , same with ROTS. ST was a dumpster fire that pretty much divided the fanbase harder than any other movie

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Just the simple mere fact that Ford, Hamill, Fisher and Billy D are in the ST automatically made them better than the PT before shooting even started.

The second it was announced that they were returning it instantly put the ST above the PT.

This is what some people don?t understand and will never understand but thanks for trying to break my resolve it was a valiant effort lol

You PT guys wanting me to choose Jar Jar, Dex and little Boba over Han, Luke and Leia....

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And 0 scenes together! 0. They took a **** on their legacy and you eat it right up. It's clear the ones who are blinded by love, taking anything they can get, to the point of Luke milking a damn alien cow and slurping it up like a slob.

I could have wrote the movies and included them and you would have liked it :lol

I don't know why you use Jar Jar, Dex, and Boba when comparing failed drunk bad father Han, failed nephew killing Hermit Luke, and failed mother leader senator rebel leader Leia. Pick the main characters at least.

Kenobi, Anakin, Padme far better characters, far better development, far better legacy than anything from the Failed ST Gang.



Defense of what??

Khev has been defending and proclaiming why he loves the ST all thread long.

He ignores all my ST posts and claims he won't debate me because "PT bad." Last few replies I've gotten joke replies.


I did defend against some of his comments. But Ducky was also throwing things out there where I just had to laugh...Ok the scar didn't match up on Kylo's face.. If didn't have a side by side comparison I would have never noticed.. He complained of bad acting and bad dialogue (this from a PT apologist) ... What can I say.. I don't agree... Its the one thing that all three films had going for it was good performances from its main characters. Complaints about "All my friends" line from 3PO... Line does not bother me.

My valid criticisms aren't valid because I'm a "PT apologist"?

Add that to the defense list ironwez. We like the PT more than the ST, so therefore our criticisms of the ST are invalidated.

He does not like the film and it gets under his skin so things like that bother him. That's fine. Most of his complaints were aimed at TLJ.. I cant argue with him there.

Doesn't bother me, I got 6 great movies and hundreds of novels and comics :lol



Because I dislike both the PT and the ST, I'd actually say that the fact the OT heroes are in the ST makes them worse for me. I could just sort of ignore the PT (which was easy enough to do because those movies really and truly don't feel to me like they take place in the same universe as the OT) but that's impossible with the ST because it's got Mark freakin' Hamill playing Luke Skywalker.

That was Jake Skywalker.

Well that is unfortunate then but for me I loved Hamill, Ford and Fisher in this even if not together onscreen.

You know what would?ve been worse for Hamill, Ford and Fisher?

Had Lucas made the ST with them in 99 instead of the PT we would?ve had AOTC quality SW but with the the OT actors! :horror


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You would have liked it no matter what. You already said you liked the ST because they appear. Now in your hypothetical PT when they appear you are going to hate it?

And yet they were killed off, didn?t share a moment together on screen and the main character was reduced to drinking boob milk to prop up the crappy under developed REy. Yea it was soooooooo worth the wait.

Let?s bring these characters back only to crap on them but OT purist won?t care they?ll give us money anyway

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Work? What are you doing at work?


This virus is seriously ruining my porn...


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I?m on a mission.....

from God

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"Wait you're going to attack the Star Destroyer's bridge so that we can win the war??"

"Just go home Rose."

lol

Not only did they cut her part but JJ had her abandon her post to run home with her tail between her legs, Finn and his new squeeze were like....

Naw dawg we awlright peace out lol


Wait, didn?t they ride their horses right past a running Rose lol


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Just the simple mere fact that Ford, Hamill, Fisher and Billy D are in the ST automatically made them better than the PT before shooting even started.


Never mind the films themselves, they had the Fab Four so instant pass right!

I gave the PT an instant pass because it gave the OT a back story. Never mind the films themselves. So we're even. :duff
 
My valid criticisms aren't valid because I'm a "PT apologist"?

Add that to the defense list ironwez. We like the PT more than the ST, so therefore our criticisms of the ST are invalidated.

No.. I never said they were not valid.. They are valid to you... I told you when I agreed with some of them. But some of them were just kind of out there IMO... It has nothing to do with the PT.. I just find it funny that some of the complaints you make could be leveled at the very films you love. Its like accusing me of having dirt on my hand when your face is covered in mud :)

You love the PT and hate the ST. That's fine.. I think they are poorly made movies with bad acting, bad dialogue, and lazy directing. That's fine too. But guess what I didn't like the first two films in the ST either. I happened to very much enjoy TROS and if you happen to notice I have yet to say that anyone has to love TROS.


I think I have been more then fair.



I think I was pretty fair.
 
Before TROS I found it easier to ignore the PT.. It was basically a new story.. So it could all just end with TOTJ.

The PT on the other hand was dealing with how some of our main characters came to be. We all knew that Vader was Anakin Skywalker and wanted to hear the story of how he came to be. The PT was dealing with an already known history that's what frustrated me so much.

Interesting. But yeah, I guess I was curious about the story of Anakin (sort of, rather than the PT I probably would have preferred a RO-style exploration of Vader in the decade before ANH: a guy who looks like Deadpool learning some serious evil powers from some pretty sinister/ancient dudes) but I realized pretty much instantly the PT wasn't that story.

Partly due to the over-reliance on subpar early-era CGI and partly due to an incredibly different story world scenario that was radically different to the OT, to me it became extremely easy to see the PT as something with little to no connection to the OT, so effortless to ignore.

Stuff like R2 blasting around with rockets (er-um... what happened to those rockets in the OT era?) or Yoda looking the way he does in the PT (like three distinct looks, all god-awful) or Palps alternating between boring bureaucrat and a Looney Toons version of the Joker made it much easier to consider these same-name SW characters as sort of EU creations.

I do think it's interesting that the inclusion of Palps in TROS can reframe the PT more like an exploration of Palps (as opposed to "the story of Anakin" that to me is at turns laughable and snorefest) that reaches its crescendo in TROS. That being said though, Palps in ROTJ to me is close to perfect (brilliant combo of menace and ham, his plans, motivations and methods clearly understood) and better than all the screen time in the PT and ROTS combined, though I am quite partial to the Palps stuff in TROS, even if adding Palps was a pretty lazy/desperate move by JJ.

Well that is unfortunate then but for me I loved Hamill, Ford and Fisher in this even if not together onscreen.

You know what would?ve been worse for Hamill, Ford and Fisher?

Had Lucas made the ST with them in 99 instead of the PT we would?ve had AOTC quality SW but with the the OT actors! :horror


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Imagine Han and Lando being sent by Leia to deal with trade disputes in the New Republic while she stays home to take care of little Ben Solo played by Jake Lloyd, lol.

Whoa... this has really messed with my mind. Mostly because it's probably true. Those scenarios are so nightmare inducing I am now genuinely and whole-heartedly thankful for the PT.:lol

Due to the noticeable step down in quality and vision with ROTJ, you start to realize that any SW film made post-1983, even a possible late OT sequel in 1987-1990, would have been been Ewokesque.

IMHO this is looking to be the year to not go to the theater

After all the criticism against Disney and revamping the SW saga. We have to admit ending the ST ( I?d called the Rey saga) last year was a smart move :lecture

Well Disney released a virus to theaters in three waves that has infected SW fandom and the franchise itself. How the patients are doing is matter of opinion.
 
Hope everyone is doing ok with this virus..... watch good movies like OT and ROTS. Hehe! I kid

But stick up on toilet paper!
 
Hope everyone is doing ok with this virus..... watch good movies like OT and ROTS. Hehe! I kid

But stick up on toilet paper!

Yeah, I just traded a HT Luke figure for a 4-pack of toilet paper in a Costco parking lot.:(:dunno

They were totally out of cans of bat soup and bags of pangolin scales too.:gah:
 
Yeah, I just traded a HT Luke figure for a 4-pack of toilet paper in a Costco parking lot.:(:dunno

They were totally out of cans of bat soup and bags of pangolin scales too.:gah:

Dude, you got scammed, hard.

Luke is up to about 8-10 rolls now that he is waitlisted at SSC and sold out at BBTS.
 
Dude, you got scammed, hard.

Luke is up to about 8-10 rolls now that he is waitlisted at SSC and sold out at BBTS.

Well it was crazy, there were these ladies screaming over whether a whole palette full of HT Captain Marvel figs was only worth one 48 roll mega pack.:dunno

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Me personally, liking the PT is difficult because it takes away the mystery of Vader. I do agree with Talibane, I would have rather seen a prequel more focused around Vader in the decades between ROTS and ANH. It's one of the reasons I liked RO's ending so much. We got a bad-ass Darth Vader mercilessly slashing his way through multiple people to get what he wants.

After I watched the OT as a child, I wanted to see why Vader was so feared because to be frank, the OT did not make him scary. The characters around him feared him, but we never really saw why they should fear him. It would have been great to see a series of films where Vader was the main villain seen from the point of view of his prey. Maybe some Jedi trying to escape him. That would expand the SW universe too as they try to escape him on different locales.
 
Me personally, liking the PT is difficult because it takes away the mystery of Vader. I do agree with Talibane, I would have rather seen a prequel more focused around Vader in the decades between ROTS and ANH. It's one of the reasons I liked RO's ending so much. We got a bad-ass Darth Vader mercilessly slashing his way through multiple people to get what he wants.

After I watched the OT as a child, I wanted to see why Vader was so feared because to be frank, the OT did not make him scary. The characters around him feared him, but we never really saw why they should fear him. It would have been great to see a series of films where Vader was the main villain seen from the point of view of his prey. Maybe some Jedi trying to escape him. That would expand the SW universe too as they try to escape him on different locales.

Yeah, a whole movie with Vader as a boy is a kinda weird choice, maybe the teen thing might have worked but it's limited. The meat in the Vader sandwich is seeing this tortured man entering this new world of Sith lords, darkside tutors and evil-but-powerful places and him finding his place in all of that. It's like a young gang member entering the scary, violent world of Pablo Escobar and rising to the top.

Really seeing him traveling through that world on his own terms and assembling powers - a rebel who won't follow the rules and bow to the powerful. It would be cool to see the "reverse" of Yoda's training of Luke - Vader getting lessons in the darkside powers by some super-sinister dude who has powers that are truly scary, and seeing the first intro of Palps who recognizes Vader as special. Maybe you have someone who cared about Anakin pre-Vader searching for him and bring him back, trying to save him, but ends up being killed by Vader.
 
Well it was crazy, there were these ladies screaming over whether a whole palette full of HT Captain Marvel figs was only worth one 48 roll mega pack.:dunno

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Khev and jye: "Now that Marvel and Star Wars are done we may never need to go to the theater again!"

Coronavirus: "Excuse me milady I'm in charge of when the theater industry ends."

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Me personally, liking the PT is difficult because it takes away the mystery of Vader. I do agree with Talibane, I would have rather seen a prequel more focused around Vader in the decades between ROTS and ANH. It's one of the reasons I liked RO's ending so much. We got a bad-ass Darth Vader mercilessly slashing his way through multiple people to get what he wants.

After I watched the OT as a child, I wanted to see why Vader was so feared because to be frank, the OT did not make him scary. The characters around him feared him, but we never really saw why they should fear him. It would have been great to see a series of films where Vader was the main villain seen from the point of view of his prey. Maybe some Jedi trying to escape him. That would expand the SW universe too as they try to escape him on different locales.

I don?t agree with your assessment about OT Vader because he was super effective in ANH/ESB and seeing him for the first time in 77 meant he was also new, unique and cool looking and became iconic way before his rampage in RO which just made him more of a bad ass and there is nothing wrong with that.

Scary like Exorcist scary no definitely not but effective and cool.

That being said yes to your idea I like it lol

Yeah, a whole movie with Vader as a boy is a kinda weird choice, maybe the teen thing might have worked but it's limited. The meat in the Vader sandwich is seeing this tortured man entering this new world of Sith lords, darkside tutors and evil-but-powerful places and him finding his place in all of that. It's like a young gang member entering the scary, violent world of Pablo Escobar and rising to the top.

Really seeing him traveling through that world on his own terms and assembling powers - a rebel who won't follow the rules and bow to the powerful. It would be cool to see the "reverse" of Yoda's training of Luke - Vader getting lessons in the darkside powers by some super-sinister dude who has powers that are truly scary, and seeing the first intro of Palps who recognizes Vader as special. Maybe you have someone who cared about Anakin pre-Vader searching for him and bring him back, trying to save him, but ends up being killed by Vader.

Epic post is epic drool lol

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Khev and jye: "Now that Marvel and Star Wars are done we may never need to go to the theater again!"

Coronavirus: "Excuse me milady I'm in charge of when the theater industry ends."

lol

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Finn to Rose: Excuse milady but i?m in charge of this star destroyer assault, get off!

Sio Bibble grandson: Resistance success disruption can mean only one thing, Tico.


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