Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

Dew it jye.

lol

 

[jye4ever]

Poor Punisher he didn?t know that I post pics of my cousin Fred to trick members into giving up their photos for my meme machine lol


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[Khev]

Yeah I just post pics of Felicity Jones' boyfriend in order to trick people into posting pics of themselves too, lol.

 

[punisher1974]

Yeah I just post pics of Felicity Jones' boyfriend in order to trick people into posting pics of themselves too, lol.

And here I thought you were both sexy beasts of men. What a jip.

 

[jye4ever]

And here I thought you were both sexy beasts of men. What a jip.

Well I still am!

NOT lol

FJ only has eyes for Khev


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[Khev]

FJ only has eyes for Khev

Yep she even let me take a picture as she signed an autograph for me.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy Crap lol


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[punisher1974]

Yep she even let me take a picture as she signed an autograph for me.

 

[JAWS]

Yep she even let me take a picture as she signed an autograph for me.

 

[TheDucky]

Just watched a super cut of ROTS with the last episodes of The Clone Wars and it is awesome

 

[Prime Clone]

Not weird that there's no mention of Maul or Ahsoka in ROTS? (I know, I know, wait for the Special Edition!)

 

[ajp4mgs]

Just watched a super cut of ROTS with the last episodes of The Clone Wars and it is awesome

Speaking of ROTS, I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseam but I just haven't come across it. Is there a good explanation for the logic behind Obi-Wan and Yoda splitting up to take on Anakin and Palpatine? Both Jedi were right there on Coruscant already, so why not team up to improve the odds against Palpatine first?

Anakin's whereabouts were unknown, right? So it would take hours (if not days) to get to him even if they found out where he was. And he wasn't going to be able to do much more damage to the Jedi since they were pretty much wiped out already.

Palpatine was clearly the more urgent threat, not just the tougher opponent. The Sith mastermind pulling all the strings, the only one with governmental power, and the one in control of the clones. Kill him first, and then go hunt for Anakin (also together, thus improving the odds against him as well). Why wouldn't that make more sense?

 

[jye4ever]

Speaking of ROTS, I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseam but I just haven't come across it. Is there a good explanation for the logic behind Obi-Wan and Yoda splitting up to take on Anakin and Palpatine? Both Jedi were right there on Coruscant already, so why not team up to improve the odds against Palpatine first?

Anakin's whereabouts were unknown, right? So it would take hours (if not days) to get to him even if they found out where he was. And he wasn't going to be able to do much more damage to the Jedi since they were pretty much wiped out already.

Palpatine was clearly the more urgent threat, not just the tougher opponent. The Sith mastermind pulling all the strings, the only one with governmental power, and the one in control of the clones. Kill him first, and then go hunt for Anakin (also together, thus improving the odds against him as well). Why wouldn't that make more sense?

Not that what you are suggesting doesn?t make sense it certainly does logically and strategically but...

The Jedi council were...

Clueless

Arrogant

Over confident while simultaneously admitting there was a growing shroud of fog and darkness calling for more caution YET let me take on the head sith and his royal guards all by my lonesome throwing all caution to the wind.

They were defiant and confident when they should be more careful and cautious and vice versa.

Killed Mace and two other Jedis no problem I got this alone

Did I mention clueless lol

I guess Yoda felt it was more wise not to put both parents on the same plane in case of disaster.



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[Khev]

Speaking of ROTS, I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseam but I just haven't come across it. Is there a good explanation for the logic behind Obi-Wan and Yoda splitting up to take on Anakin and Palpatine? Both Jedi were right there on Coruscant already, so why not team up to improve the odds against Palpatine first?

Anakin's whereabouts were unknown, right? So it would take hours (if not days) to get to him even if they found out where he was. And he wasn't going to be able to do much more damage to the Jedi since they were pretty much wiped out already.

Palpatine was clearly the more urgent threat, not just the tougher opponent. The Sith mastermind pulling all the strings, the only one with governmental power, and the one in control of the clones. Kill him first, and then go hunt for Anakin (also together, thus improving the odds against him as well). Why wouldn't that make more sense?

If I were to come up with an "in universe" reason (since we all know the real reason is just that George wanted two lightsaber duels occurring simultaneously) I'd say that Yoda believed that Palpatine's power was so far above Obi-Wan's that Kenobi would simply get in the way (as he did when Anakin faced Dooku.) I think Yoda wanted to have the freedom to go all out against Palpatine without having to simultaneously defend his weaker ally.

 

[Khev]

Man, watching TCW finale and then going back to the original 2008 TCW film I am blown away by how much more it makes me realize what an utter FAILURE the PT was in establishing arguably the single most important relationship of the trilogy and that is the one between Obi-Wan and Anakin. I realized this when watching this scene because it was *such* a beautiful little moment:

It's after their first battle together and at first Anakin kind of lays into Ahsoka about her shortcomings which really brings her down. Then they sit quietly and he says "you would have never made it as Obi-Wan's apprentice." (which hits her even harder) "But...you may just make it as mine." And then when he smiles and her sadness turns to elation, I'm not kidding it was a real gut punch knowing that such raw tenderness between them (two CARTOON characters no less!) wouldn't last and that things would end so horribly.

I *never* feel that when Qui Gon introduces Obi-Wan to Jake Lloyd in TPM or any point during AOTC or ROTS when Obi-Wan and Anakin are supposedly these amazing friends/partners/brothers. It's just always two individuals who are largely going through the motions of dialogue just so they can get to the next CG action scene. What a travesty.

This kid's show with low paid television actors and animators accomplished what one of the biggest trilogies in the world could not.

 

[jye4ever]

Man, watching TCW finale and then going back to the original 2008 TCW film I am blown away by how much more it makes me realize what an utter FAILURE the PT was in establishing arguably the single most important relationship of the trilogy and that is the one between Obi-Wan and Anakin. I realized this when watching this scene because it was *such* a beautiful little moment:

It's after their first battle together and at first Anakin kind of lays into Ahsoka about her shortcomings which really brings her down. Then they sit quietly and he says "you would have never made it as Obi-Wan's apprentice." (which hits her even harder) "But...you may just make it as mine." And then when he smiles and her sadness turns to elation, I'm not kidding it was a real gut punch knowing that such raw tenderness between them (two CARTOON characters no less!) wouldn't last and that things would end so horribly.

I *never* feel that when Qui Gon introduces Obi-Wan to Jake Lloyd in TPM or any point during AOTC or ROTS when Obi-Wan and Anakin are supposedly these amazing friends/partners/brothers. It's just always two individuals who are largely going through the motions of dialogue just so they can get to the next CG action scene. What a travesty.

This kid's show with low paid television actors and animators accomplished what one of the biggest trilogies in the world could not.

The problem that creates now is that Anakin seemed like he cared more for Ashoka than Padme or so it seems that way to me lol

Look I?m not about to start buying into this conflicted Darth Vader crap because RO/ANH/ESB Vader was ruthless and was never in the slightest ever thinking of good times with Ashoka.

If anything thinking of Padme would just make him more ruthless.


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[ajp4mgs]

Not that what you are suggesting doesn?t make sense it certainly does logically and strategically but...

The Jedi council were...

Clueless

Arrogant

Over confident while simultaneously admitting there was a growing shroud of fog and darkness calling for more caution YET let me take on the head sith and his royal guards all by my lonesome throwing all caution to the wind.

They were defiant and confident when they should be more careful and cautious and vice versa.

Killed Mace and two other Jedis no problem I got this alone

Did I mention clueless lol

I guess Yoda felt it was more wise not to put both parents on the same plane in case of disaster.



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Yeah, unfortunately I think Yoda and Obi-Wan being clueless is the answer that actually holds up best. But I guess I could go with your theory about both parents on the same plane. It would also tie in to the arrogance you're referencing about Yoda. After all, he'd be assuming that both "parents" weren't going to die in individual duels against crazy-powerful opponents.

The idea of Yoda being arrogant bugs me, but that's based on getting to know him in ESB. Maybe he was an arrogant little sucker most of his life, and then being humbled by the events of the PT is what made him more of the wiser version in the OT.

If I were to come up with an "in universe" reason (since we all know the real reason is just that George wanted two lightsaber duels occurring simultaneously) I'd say that Yoda believed that Palpatine's power was so far above Obi-Wan's that Kenobi would simply get in the way (as he did when Anakin faced Dooku.) I think Yoda wanted to have the freedom to go all out against Palpatine without having to simultaneously defend his weaker ally.

Another fair explanation. Still makes me wonder why Yoda would bother sending Obi-Wan alone to battle the virgin-birth "Chosen One" if he felt Obi-Wan would be so outmatched by Palps to the point of being a liability. I can't see why there was such urgency in getting to Anakin right away, so I don't know why Yoda wouldn't want to be there helping Kenobi. I guess we'd need to believe that Yoda didn't think Anakin was all that.

Thanks for the answers, fellas. Either of your explanations is better than just having to concede that Yoda was an idiot.

This whole thing came to mind when watching TROS on D+. When Rey stalls to get Ben in the throne room, it makes total sense that you'd want to outnumber the big bad in order to improve your odds. Not the logic used in ROTS.

 

[ajp4mgs]

The problem that creates now is that Anakin seemed like he cared more for Ashoka than Padme or so it seems that way to me lol

Look I?m not about to start buying into this conflicted Darth Vader crap because RO/ANH/ESB Vader was ruthless and was never in the slightest ever thinking of good times with Ashoka.

If anything thinking of Padme would just make him more ruthless.


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Agreed. Why would Vader be conflicted after Padme died, and before knowing that his son survived? Vader was only conflicted in the OT after confronting his son face to face. He seemed to be fully embracing the dark side in ANH and ESB. Didn't seem to show any hint of being conflicted.

 

[Khev]

The problem that creates now is that Anakin seemed like he cared more for Ashoka than Padme or so it seems that way to me lol

Yeah pretty much, lol.

I mean think about it. How much better the PT could have been if Lucas just had Luke and Leia's real mom be a younger Jedi that Anakin had fallen in love with. It's so much more fun watching Ahsoka dual wield lightsabers alongside Anakin and Obi-Wan than watching Padme try to keep up by riding that ridiculous hairless donkey thing in the Geonosis arena, lol.

They could have probably even kept the Clone Wars largely the same but just having Ahsoka (as Anakin's hidden wife) be newly pregnant at the very end while she's standing there in her cloak having missed the opportunity to tell Anakin that she was expecting. Then she goes off and marries Bail Organa and ROTJ Leia's memory of her real mother could have remained intact. Yeah they'd have to change Ahsoka to a human being but otherwise they could have still had all the same themes of forbidden love, scandal, and all that but with a female protagonist much more capable of hanging with the guy heroes similar to how Leia was in the OT.

Then let Ahsoka's end being left ambiguous with her either never appearing in Rebels or anything else or maybe have her "death" turn out to be fake or something (maybe say she separated herself from Leia to protect her once she realized who Darth Vader was) so as not to conflict with Leia's memory if they really wanted to bring her back. Then the spirits of both grandparents could have encouraged Rey along with both twins, everything. That would have been so cool.

Oh well, "woulda shoulda coulda" as always.

 

[Khev]

Another fair explanation. Still makes me wonder why Yoda would bother sending Obi-Wan alone to battle the virgin-birth "Chosen One" if he felt Obi-Wan would be so outmatched by Palps to the point of being a liability. I can't see why there was such urgency in getting to Anakin right away, so I don't know why Yoda wouldn't want to be there helping Kenobi. I guess we'd need to believe that Yoda didn't think Anakin was all that.

Yeah, it's still weird as you say that Yoda made no attempt to help Obi-Wan. "Failed I have. Assist Obi-Wan we now must." But nope he just bailed (no pun intended, lol.) Though...running off to "exile" instead of taking a more direct approach to re-engage with Palpatine is an interesting "failure" that he would one day pass on to another apprentice...

Thanks for the answers, fellas. Either of your explanations is better than just having to concede that Yoda was an idiot.

This whole thing came to mind when watching TROS on D+. When Rey stalls to get Ben in the throne room, it makes total sense that you'd want to outnumber the big bad in order to improve your odds. Not the logic used in ROTS.

I literally had to reread that twice thinking you'd typed "Rey" by mistake but nope, you just praised something about TROS!