Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I’m sorry but that shot is awesome.

I am liking those little ****ers.

 

[Wor-Gar]

This used to be inside every comic book. Along with Sea Monkeys.

 

[punisher1974]

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snoke Kanata, his crack matches her eyes

 

[SNIKT1950]

Snoke is a deformed clone of the emperor, no? Is that possible?

Nope.

Snoke

Spoiler

was the greatest Jedi of the Old Republic, who was assigned to train "The Chosen One" as a weapon to defeat Ren, the entity who turned thousands of Jedi to The Dark Side giving birth to the Sith Empire. Whilst training The Chosen One, Snoke fell in love with her. The two hid this from the Jedi. Once she successfully aided the Jedi in trapping "The Ancient Fear" (Ren) via some Force ritual she was murdered by the Jedi - who believed she was too powerful (dangerous) to be left alive. When Snoke learns of what they've done, he pledges allegiance to the entity - which despite being weakened and "trapped" by the ritual is still able to make Snoke a deal: he will be granted immortality so that he can one day see her again in her next life. The price being that upon her return he must use her (as the Jedi feared back then) to release him via the same ritual. Snoke is the last Jedi and a figure prophecied in the Journal of The Whills. That's why Kylo joined him. That's why Luke feels the Jedi should end.

 

[Dr. Odd]

That's actually the coolest thing I've heard from you

 

[ironwez20]

This used to be inside every comic book. Along with Sea Monkeys.

Ah sea monkeys the biggest rip off

 

[Wor-Gar]

Nope.

Snoke

Spoiler

was the greatest Jedi of the Old Republic, who was assigned to train "The Chosen One" as a weapon to defeat Ren, the entity who turned thousands of Jedi to The Dark Side giving birth to the Sith Empire. Whilst training The Chosen One, Snoke fell in love with her. The two hid this from the Jedi. Once she successfully aided the Jedi in trapping "The Ancient Fear" (Ren) via some Force ritual she was murdered by the Jedi - who believed she was too powerful (dangerous) to be left alive. When Snoke learns of what they've done, he pledges allegiance to the entity - which despite being weakened and "trapped" by the ritual is still able to make Snoke a deal: he will be granted immortality so that he can one day see her again in her next life. The price being that upon her return he must use her (as the Jedi feared back then) to release him via the same ritual. Snoke is the last Jedi and a figure prophecied in the Journal of The Whills. That's why Kylo joined him. That's why Luke feels the Jedi should end.

I must be missing something. I get the Dracula angle you've added. I get the Jedi bit you added. I get the Anakin parallels. But what doesn't make sense is that to see her again he must release the entity? But once he sees her again, why not just NOT release the entity? The inevitable reincarnation has nothing to do with the deal -- but it should. A better deal would be "release me and you can see your love".

You need to rewrite your super-theory to make it clearer.

 

[pug205]

Nope.

Snoke

Spoiler

was the greatest Jedi of the Old Republic, who was assigned to train "The Chosen One" as a weapon to defeat Ren, the entity who turned thousands of Jedi to The Dark Side giving birth to the Sith Empire. Whilst training The Chosen One, Snoke fell in love with her. The two hid this from the Jedi. Once she successfully aided the Jedi in trapping "The Ancient Fear" (Ren) via some Force ritual she was murdered by the Jedi - who believed she was too powerful (dangerous) to be left alive. When Snoke learns of what they've done, he pledges allegiance to the entity - which despite being weakened and "trapped" by the ritual is still able to make Snoke a deal: he will be granted immortality so that he can one day see her again in her next life. The price being that upon her return he must use her (as the Jedi feared back then) to release him via the same ritual. Snoke is the last Jedi and a figure prophecied in the Journal of The Whills. That's why Kylo joined him. That's why Luke feels the Jedi should end.

Is this 100% the real story of Snoke as planned by JJ, Lawrence and Rian or a theory based on expanded universe material?

 

[noface]

Nope.

Snoke

Spoiler

was the greatest Jedi of the Old Republic, who was assigned to train "The Chosen One" as a weapon to defeat Ren, the entity who turned thousands of Jedi to The Dark Side giving birth to the Sith Empire. Whilst training The Chosen One, Snoke fell in love with her. The two hid this from the Jedi. Once she successfully aided the Jedi in trapping "The Ancient Fear" (Ren) via some Force ritual she was murdered by the Jedi - who believed she was too powerful (dangerous) to be left alive. When Snoke learns of what they've done, he pledges allegiance to the entity - which despite being weakened and "trapped" by the ritual is still able to make Snoke a deal: he will be granted immortality so that he can one day see her again in her next life. The price being that upon her return he must use her (as the Jedi feared back then) to release him via the same ritual. Snoke is the last Jedi and a figure prophecied in the Journal of The Whills. That's why Kylo joined him. That's why Luke feels the Jedi should end.

So some of what you wrote must be true since you put it as a spoiler. Did you read it from one of the many novels that are canon?

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[SNIKT1950]

But what doesn't make sense is that to see her again he must release the entity? But once he sees her again, why not just NOT release the entity?

That's the sixty four thousand-dollar question. Will he still wanna go through with his promise to Ren? I think after a few days of alone time with her the answer is no. Why condemn the galaxy to darkness when the one thing that brings you light is around again? Unfortunately, I fear someone else will finish the deed. Someone that's currently in the shadows as a backup, in case Rey's immortal beloved doesn't fulfill his end of the bargain.

I think Episode IX will be all about that. About Rey

Spoiler

turning Snoke back to the Light and in doing so giving the good guys a fighting chance against this Ren entity. In fact, I have a theory about why Luke will survive TLJ.

At the end of IX, when the heroes are seemingly helpness in the face of The Ancient Fear unleashed, its ironically the very gift that Ren granted Snoke which will save the day. It hit me when the rumor broke that Snoke feeds off Force-users like a vampire and that because there are such few Force-sensitives around at this point he hasn't been able to fully heal himself.

So I think it'll play out like this: Inside some creepy Sith temple, the heroes will witness Ren crawl out of some black hole. He'll then fatally wound Snokula for betraying him. Snoke will lay in some corner dying in Rey's arms while Luke and Kylo stare at each other, completely helpless and hopeless. The galaxy is doomed because nobody in the room has the power to face something so powerful. Snoke will say "I wish I had the power to save you, my love." Then Luke will walk over to Snoke and say "Here it is. Take it. Take it all. Rey and Kylo know exactly what that means. They both cry. Rey pleads with Luke that there must be some other way. He hugs her goodbye. Kylo honors Luke by shaking his hand and nodding his head (Sarah Connor T2 style). Luke then looks down at Snoke and puts out his good arm. Snoke grabs it and then a massive beam of Light encases the two. Snoke's wounds heal but something else happens. He becomes young again and is fully restored to his original form as he was when he and the Jedi crusaded against Ren, and when he met Rey. The two Force powerhouses fight. Snoke vanquishes Ren for good and then becomes one with The Force, after saying his goodbyes to Rey Ghost-style. Kylo and Rey have a "Holy Grail" child and the war between Light and Dark is finally over as the Whills willed it. The End.

 

[Sachiel]

It all makes sense now. Snoke is giving Rey a Force Hug in the trailer and he's a little rough because it's been such a long time and he's so happy to see her again. Afterward they sit down to have some tea and that's when Snoke explains everything to Rey.

 

[Otomofan]

Snikt....you're the most delusional Star Wars fan I've ever encountered, and that's saying a lot.

 

[jye4ever]

Does owning the 300 Bluray help me any lol

 

[jye4ever]

It just dawned on me after watching this trailer 100x already plus all the reaction videos that fans are watching these trailers with awe, excitement and respect of how the property is being handled regardless of their feelings with TFA.

Thinking back to the PT trailers other than the over the top excitement of the TPM trailers prior to seeing the disaster it turned out to be any trailers after that were all viewed with skepticism and a lack of faith and trust in Lucas along with the trauma of feeling that somehow the OT had been tarnished.

There was just no faith that Lucas could turn it around it was all so very sour instead of uplifting.

Fans actually pointed and laughed at Anakin in those trailers they were mocking the MAIN character then they cringed at any cgi creature not just JarJar.

Here we are now with jaws dropped at this incredibly addictive and thrilling trailer.

No one is laughing or mocking anymore when any of the characters show up on screen.

That applies to RO as well.

What a huge turn around on SW Disney has accomplished.

Hate Kylo all you want but at least no is pointing and laughing at Adam Driver.

If Hayden does turn out to be in this movie at least he will be in capable hands.

I wish Disney would just dump 200 million on PT and fix them up nicely, Anakins story should be told appropriately.

 

[MaulFan]

Interesting take on things, I actually found the ad campaign for AOTC to be the most exciting of the prequels. Regardless of what happened in Phantom, they built up excitement with those trailers and TV spots, Obi-Wan fighting Fett, the arena battle, Anakin on the speed bike even though that turned out to be a quick and wasted shot, and Across the Stars is a really good addition to the SW body of music from John Williams and really punched those ads.

I felt like they pulled back with ROTS and didn't market it as heavily as AOTC, but just seeing shots from Mustafar of THE DUEL was enough to get the excitement built.

If anything, I don't think quality was the only factor that may have had some fans not getting excited by prequel trailers, but also the fact that for the most part, everyone kind of knows where everything was going, maybe not the full how, but you knew Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Anakin, C-3PO, R2-D2 and Yoda would all live through any events taking place. My one disappointment seeing the movies out of order was feeling no stakes for the most prominent characters, you knew they'd be ok.

Now with the new trilogy, you have no idea where the hell anything is going, which creates a lot of intrigue, that's where my excitement for Last Jedi comes in, where are they taking Luke, how did he get there after Jedi, what's Rey's back story, how will Leia be written off due to Carrie's passing, there's a lot more mystery to these stories and more excitement and marketing knows it and can play on it to get fans speculating and postulating.

It's not to say Disney hasn't done things to turn around fan opinion, but I think the nature of this new trilogy also makes that task easier on them.

 

[jye4ever]

I agree that everything about a sequel is easier than a prequel. FOTR handled the flashbacks so perfectly that was a great mini prequel.

But one can definately feel the overall positive energy with these trailers (TFA/TLJ) and easily contrast it with the overall negative feelings of those PT trailers.

Yes the music still remains the highlight of the PT but that alone doesn’t save them and the music in this TLJ trailer is now as good and perfectly utilized as any of the music from the PT trailers, maybe even better.

But what i’m getting at is much more than just the music it’s more about the feeling of joy again about the property.

 

[GasparZizou]

*25 cents have been deposited to Jye's account*

 

[jye4ever]

Teacher said everytime jye gushes about SW/MCU an angel gets his wings.

 

[MaulFan]

Age is also a factor I would imagine, I had as much sense of excitement for the prequels as I do about these new films, just for different reasons. I was 21 when ROTS came out, it wasn't until I was like 30 that I started to really feel like the issues in the prequels really made the viewing less enjoyable, but as I've gotten older, my taste in films has evolved. As I kid I thought Rocky 1 and 2 were utterly boring and only watched 3 and 4, now I really enjoy the whole franchise.

I think one thing helping even the older viewers with the new films is that these movies aren't full of color and CGI flash like Lucas poured into the prequels, they look raw and gritty and just a difference in imagery sets a mental outlook on tone. These movies look taken more seriously in trailers than the prequels ever did.

 

[jye4ever]

Age is also a factor I would imagine, I had as much sense of excitement for the prequels as I do about these new films, just for different reasons. I was 21 when ROTS came out, it wasn't until I was like 30 that I started to really feel like the issues in the prequels really made the viewing less enjoyable, but as I've gotten older, my taste in films has evolved. As I kid I thought Rocky 1 and 2 were utterly boring and only watched 3 and 4, now I really enjoy the whole franchise.

I think one thing helping even the older viewers with the new films is that these movies aren't full of color and CGI flash like Lucas poured into the prequels, they look raw and gritty and just a difference in imagery sets a mental outlook on tone. These movies look taken more seriously in trailers than the prequels ever did.

Yup maturity will do it.

OT/Raiders era provides many adults a safe adventurous joyful place to remember their childhood I feel so bad for the adults who will have to think back to the PT as their safe adventurous joyful place they might just say **** it i’ll just make believe I was a kid during the OT lol.

Yeah Lucas gave his movies that art deco candy cartoon coating especially TPM/AOTC, if was toned down a bit on ROTS for obvious narrative reasons.

TLJ already looks different than TFA as it needed to be less bright with a more ominous color palette and yes more grey.