The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

[Wor-Gar]

JC = John Connor = James Cameron = Jesus Christ

Not in that order

 

[a-dev]

I don't think if Carl T-800 succeeded it would have changed anything in T1-2. So far, time travelling in the Terminator franchise only seems to change the present/future events, and never the past. T1 changed Sarah's present, and pushed the development of Skynet and the resulting Judgement Day forward. T2 erased Skynet altogether, but T1 still happened. So I'd say DF created a new future with a new AI borne out of the absence of Skynet, a future with no John Connor to lead.

James Cameron said that he intended the sequels to DF to explore the interactions of humans and AI. I was hoping to see that....

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They shouldn't have killed Carl then. Especially when they already had Grace to sacrifice herself.

 

[Khev]

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Yeah they cashed in their "canon Old Arnold" card. No bringing him back unless they keep him young like the prologue.

Another reason I think they should just end the series here. And honestly with this dismal box office how can they not.

 

[e30ernest]

Does Biehn have an old man walk yet? Does he have a hard time getting up out of chairs? That's apparently the thing that makes it awkward

I don't think it matters. They just need his young face. I don't think he even needs to show up. That's what they did with Furlong.

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They shouldn't have killed Carl then. Especially when they already had Grace to sacrifice herself.

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I was thinking maybe they'd be interacting with the Legion AI itself

The only way to get out of the Terminator premise trap is for them to find a way to resolve the conflict properly. Stopping an AI will only spawn another. So I think the real "win" if the story were to continue was to somehow strike a peace with the emergent AI itself before it kills off most of humanity.

 

[jye4ever]

Now I'm picturing an alternate T2 where Arnold says "get down" but the T-1000 is too quick and shoots John right between the eyes. Uncle Bob and the T-1000 lower their weapons and look at the deceased John, then quietly walk together to the nearest temp agency and get jobs, lol.

That last line lol

The week DF is released Cameron reiterates how much he enjoyed working with Robert Rodriguez.

TM is so done, lol.

Tim who lol

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They shouldn't have killed Carl then. Especially when they already had Grace to sacrifice herself.

Grace lol


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[jye4ever]

Wait doesn?t this disaster belong to Disney lol


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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Yeah they cashed in their "canon Old Arnold" card. No bringing him back unless they keep him young like the prologue.

Another reason I think they should just end the series here. And honestly with this dismal box office how can they not.

Right now James Cameron is hanging upside down like...

Studio

"What have you done?"

*Brings back Biehn and Robert Patrick next*

 

[TaliBane]

That's pretty cool TaliBane. I don't think you have spoken of this before

Yeah, I'll try to post some stuff once the TDF tsunami winds down - I still haven't seen it. I have some of the illustrations I did, as well as one of JC's response sketches he did on the back of my sketch. He was a nice guy toward me at least. I wasn't (and still aren't) much of a Terminator fan, maybe that's why it hasn't come up. Some pretty funny stories on that show though - on set I got mistaken for the T-1000 double who was late and they hurriedly started putting the suit on me. I did have a T-1000 look back then.

 

[e30ernest]

Wait doesn?t this disaster belong to Disney lol


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Yes. So you should start liking it now... By default.

 

[e30ernest]

Yeah, I'll try to post some stuff once the TDF tsunami winds down - I still haven't seen it. I have some of the illustrations I did, as well as one of JC's response sketches he did on the back of my sketch. He was a nice guy toward me at least. I wasn't (and still aren't) much of a Terminator fan, maybe that's why it hasn't come up. Some pretty funny stories on that show though - on set I got mistaken for the T-1000 double who was late and they hurriedly started putting the suit on me. I did have a T-1000 look back then.

Hahaha man that would have been great if you made a cameo.


Would love to hear more of your stories and see your designs. I always find the behind the scenes stuff very interesting.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yeah, I'll try to post some stuff once the TDF tsunami winds down - I still haven't seen it. I have some of the illustrations I did, as well as one of JC's response sketches he did on the back of my sketch. He was a nice guy toward me at least. I wasn't (and still aren't) much of a Terminator fan, maybe that's why it hasn't come up. Some pretty funny stories on that show though - on set I got mistaken for the T-1000 double who was late and they hurriedly started putting the suit on me. I did have a T-1000 look back then.

Awesome. You should have kept the costume or maybe some props from the film.

 

[TaliBane]

Awesome. You should have kept the costume or maybe some props from the film.

haha - I do have a "Gunge Out" bottle label (the drain cleaner she uses) if that counts. I had an endo arm sitting on my desk for weeks when I did the drawings for the vault's arm flask. Should have swiped it.

Outside my office they had the huge models from Abyss (Gale Anne HUrd's storage or something) - could have broken something off there too. I did get a leather crew jacket though (sold long ago for $$) which was super nice, though a badass biker jacket with a bright red T2 logo on it had limited appeal with the ladies back then (different today I guess).

And the T-1000 costume was the one when he's melted at the end so it was mostly a bunch of silver party balloon material.

 

[jye4ever]

I?ll probably give it a 2nd watch on the 11/15/19 digital release date.


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[DiFabio]

I honestly think people here could write a better Terminator film, myself included. I know the first thing I?d do is reboot it and lose the time travel BS.

Dark Fate offered nothing the past 5 Terminator movies didn?t already give us. All the action scenes with the trucks and planes never surpassed the action in T2.

It?s all so stupid and so tiresome. The dam they were at reminded me of the same environment they fought the evil John Terminator in the last one. Does anyone here actually like how Terminators in these modern movies jump around like superheroes? This whole super powered Terminator thing started with T3 and has gotten worse with eac new film. T1 and T2 felt grounded, probably due to the limitations in special effects. The craziest thing two combatants did was throw each other around into some walls or jump onto the hood of a tanker truck and shoot a machine gun into the windshield. These new movies are all over the place. I don?t like them.

This Pee Wee Hermano, Rev-9 Terminator wasn?t even scary. What was the difference between him, the TX and the evil John Connor from a couple of years ago?

I just don?t understand who these movies are for. When Carl is talking about the diferent types of drapery and cloth patterns, I wanted to kill myself.

 

[Khev]

I?ll probably give it a 2nd watch on the 11/15/19 digital release date.

Exclusive footage of Tim Miller getting ready to record the Blu-ray commentary:

 

[matticus]

This "franchise" can only milk so much nostalgia. It had its run. Time for it to die already, like Star Wars.

 

[EndoSickness]

This "franchise" can only milk so much nostalgia. It had its run. Time for it to die already, like Star Wars.

This. Future war, let a real fan handle it and be done with it.

 

[EndoSickness]

When they were making Dark Fate Tim Miller stated that he didn't buy into parallel timelines and so forth - he felt it diminished the stakes. So what that means is we're operating solely in one timeline and every change to the past directly affects the future.....so if the Carl T-800 succeeded doesn't that mean John isn't there anymore to send back Kyle Reese and Uncle Bob. So T1 and T2 didn't happen..but Sarah still remembers them happening? I....wh...ngghhh View attachment 470011

It's all such head-****ery.

In the words of Doc Brown: you are thinking too one dimensional.
The real concept of time is that it splits, everytime something else happened.
So the closed timeline for this is T1, T2, DF, meaning Grace of course remembers the rise of Legion, but no Connors, since they never existed, which in turn means: she didn?t only time travel...she time-dimension-travelled.
Sarah is in the old timeline, remembering it all, cause it happened and Legion will happen.
If you want to have a picture stuck to your mind on how to visually explain it:
think of a cliff and it?s almost broken off, still attached to the mountain though. (Sarah)
In comes Grace, from a whole different place and makes the cliff break off, turning it into a new "mountain", if you will. Hm?

I know we're a broken record but why oh why couldn't just make that damn 2029 future war movie - the one that Kyle Reese lived. Don't change anything, least nothing that T2 didn't change. Have it lead directly into T1 and then T2 in essence becomes the last movie. T2 becomes T3 and that's where the whole story resolves. The good guys win, the end.

Because: hollywood.

I honestly think people here could write a better Terminator film, myself included. I know the first thing I?d do is reboot it and lose the time travel BS.

Dark Fate offered nothing the past 5 Terminator movies didn?t already give us. All the action scenes with the trucks and planes never surpassed the action in T2.

It?s all so stupid and so tiresome. The dam they were at reminded me of the same environment they fought the evil John Terminator in the last one. Does anyone here actually like how Terminators in these modern movies jump around like superheroes? This whole super powered Terminator thing started with T3 and has gotten worse with eac new film. T1 and T2 felt grounded, probably due to the limitations in special effects. The craziest thing two combatants did was throw each other around into some walls or jump onto the hood of a tanker truck and shoot a machine gun into the windshield. These new movies are all over the place. I don?t like them.

This Pee Wee Hermano, Rev-9 Terminator wasn?t even scary. What was the difference between him, the TX and the evil John Connor from a couple of years ago?

I just don?t understand who these movies are for. When Carl is talking about the diferent types of drapery and cloth patterns, I wanted to kill myself.

You?re right about the different liquid terminators there, DiFab.

But with all due respect: reboot?
Intrigued: what would you do different?

I said it once, I will say it every time: future war and done. There?s nothing to gain anymore, except collectibles.

 

[a-dev]

This. Future war, let a real fan handle it and be done with it.

And anyone who mentions the word 'trilogy'

 

[EndoSickness]

Re: The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

I like the look of Marcus Wright - it made a good Hot Toys figure, the blue coat made him stand out on the shelf and it was a good likeness. But I still sold it because I object to the premise of the character. I hated that Salvation brought in this new infiltrator. Why were Skynet bothering with T-600s and T-800s if they had a Terminator that not only looked human but actually believed it was human and was as such a sleeper Terminator? Furthermore it was stupid that they gave it the autonomy it had that it could simply decide to turn against Skynet. The character just made no sense. And I found it kinda cheap that the moviemakers just couldn't resist having a goodie Terminator yet again. So much for man VS machine and the desperation that should entail.

Well, to get back at your comment:
you could see it, same as the T-1000, being a too risky, or faulty "unit", as it thinks for itself and it?s conscience could get in the way