In the words of Doc Brown: you are thinking too one dimensional.
The real concept of time is that it splits, everytime something else happened.
So the closed timeline for this is T1, T2, DF, meaning Grace of course remembers the rise of Legion, but no Connors, since they never existed, which in turn means: she didn?t only time travel...she time-dimension-travelled.
Sarah is in the old timeline, remembering it all, cause it happened and Legion will happen.
If you want to have a picture stuck to your mind on how to visually explain it:
think of a cliff and it?s almost broken off, still attached to the mountain though. (Sarah)
In comes Grace, from a whole different place and makes the cliff break off, turning it into a new "mountain", if you will. Hm?
I shall aptly give you
Yeah. ''Make one good movie and call it a day? Inconceivable!''
Well, to get back at your comment:
you could see it, same as the T-1000, being a too risky, or faulty "unit", as it thinks for itself and it?s conscience could get in the way
The conscience thing ended up not being a problem with the T-1000 - as DiFabio talked about yesterday the T-1000 was borderline sadist and was happy to comply with a mission that allowed him to kill - but yeah, the offscreen backstory to the T-1000 if memory serves is that Skynet took a chance using him, it wasn't entirely certain he could be controlled. So I guess Marcus fits with that but I stand by my other reasons why that character was a mistake.
But of course now Dark Fate introduces the idea that even T-800s programmed with kill missions in Skynet's interest are only controllable up to a point. Seemingly once they complete their primary objective all bets are off and they're likely to be influenced by humanity to turn against Skynet.
I dunno if it's been touched on, but I'll just throw this into the hat.
The dormant thing is lame. These are supposed to be infiltrators. To be better at their job they need to learn about humans. As silly as that sounds, engaging in a human life is much more functional to that goal then waiting in a hanger for Judgement Day. That's why I don't have a problem with this idea.
As I said above though, infiltration is great for Skynet unless that very infiltrator ends up siding with humanity against it so you'd think Skynet would have a safeguard against that happening - ''read-only mode'' from T2 SE was that thing and they've now decided that wasn't canon. But read-only mode in combination perhaps with further instructions to ensure Skynet comes to be by whatever means that might entail - even if that did mean simply going to a particular location and going dormant - well these things would keep a T-800 on track I would think.
Furthermore, perhaps the biggest thing to note is that perhaps Skynet simply doesn't predict that a machine can learn the value of human life. After enough yes and no data points, a self learning machine could logically make the "decision" that there is value to human life, even if initially the mission was to simply find a way to blend in. It's no different than a kid who learns that as they grow up.
Again it depends - If ''read-only'' isn't canon then we are forced to say that, yes, Skynet underestimated the capabilities of its own T-800 AIs and what happened in Dark Fate is kind of permissible. On the other hand if we go back and say read-only
is canon then no, this isn't a possibility. Skynet made that the default setting because, as Sarah said in that deleted scene, it ''doesn't want you to do much thinking'' - therefore it knew a T-800 could potentially go down a Carl path with that setting switched off and full learning enabled.
So to sum up, in a scenario where both the T2 deleted scene AND Dark Fate are canon that means Carl was either sent back with full learning enabled (given the risk that Skynet knows about, not very sensible) OR at some point his chip was flipped by someone in the past (hard to envision how that would have happened)
In the scenario we actually have where they're saying Dark Fate is canon and the T2 deleted scene
isn't canon then there is no read-only mode and yeah, we're forced to say that Skynet obviously just didn't anticipate that this could happen and hadn't programmed any other specific instructions beyond killing John Connor.
Carl all around though is fine. He adheres to the lore formed in T2, we just don't see that occur as we had before.
It's just more difficult to envision how it would happen in the case of Skynet-sent Terminator. Uncle Bob, fine, his mission facilitated it to happen and he was ordered not to kill people.
We actually have a nice trilogy of Terminator films if you think about it! A trilogy of Terminator 3s!
T3: Rise of the Machines, Terminator: Genisys, Terminator Dark Fate
A trilogy of bad what if stories. What if Sarah died of cancer and John was some kind of homeless person? What if Sarah could defend herself in 1984 and John was the bad guy? What if John died and Sarah was an old lady?
What a trilogy it is.
A trilogy of failed trilogy-starters.
Yeah that's the one saving grace of the non-charismatic Rev-9 since realistically he really *would* make the best and most surprising infiltrator.
I'm glad that DiFabio gave trashing this movie all he had because I now see that it does stand up to even the harshest criticism.
It seems everything he doesn't like can just be boiled down to personal preference and head-canon. Which is fine of course and a perfectly valid reason to dismiss something. "Alien 3" syndrome that we have all experienced before.
DiFabio's posts in a way have been a reminder of my innate inclination to oppose anything after T2 that isn't the 2029 future war story that I've actually wanted. Yours and other people's efforts have been commendable but I simply may not be able to accept this movie for the same reasons I couldn't accept the others.
Carl shows up, and either there's no protector or Carl kills the protector. Carl finds his target and eliminates
Did Sarah even wonder wtf, where was the usual protector from the future? What you've suggested is highly possible but the film probably doesn't even raise the matter so I'm like
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Actually now that I think about it any talk of "secondary objectives" is mute because it's *1998!* So even if Carl *did* have a secondary objective it would have been based on him arriving one year after the nuclear war. So whatever his original mission was, maybe locate Skynet's headquarters, protect it, and eliminate all humans hiding under the rubble, it wouldn't compute because Judgment Day was averted and the world he appeared in didn't have those elements any more.
So his "blend in with humanity" default programming kicked in and he resorted to infiltrating himself within human society in a self-sustaining way. Going into deep cover mode meant extended contact with humans which means his mind and objectives can evolve. Look how Uncle Bob changed after one single day with John. Imagine a T-800 after almost 30 years. That's Carl. The text messages to Sarah didn't come until years later so they would have been coming from the highly indoctrinated Carl by that point.
More good thinking that the writers probably never even had in mind.
Part of me needs
them, the writers, the movie-makers - to have thought of this stuff and I just don't think they actually did.
I think it simply boiled down to 'we want an even more evolved Uncle Bob, he was the money maker'. And that's it.
That was an extended scene not shown in theaters or included on the current 4K disc. It also was a continuity error with the original movie since the 1984 Terminator didn't need to have his chip modified in order to learn new phrases and swear words.
OK, well, if I believed this I wouldn't have been using the 'read-only' concept in my points above. I don't think 'read-only' would prevent a Terminator from doing something as simple as picking up human phrases. That's as basic as it gets. I think it stops a Terminator from even bothering to try understanding human emotion. Pre-chip flipping scene Uncle Bob asked ''what's wrong with your eyes''. After the chip-flipping scene he asked ''
why do you cry?''
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