The Avengers: The Motion Picture Discussion Thread- Open SPOILERS -enter at own risk!

[jye4ever]

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If Avengers fails I'd almost rather it be "Batman & Robin" bad (which is actually quite hilarious in its awfulness and therefore kind of fun to watch) than "Iron Man 2" forgettable.

I think they'll play it safe enough to avoid being a laughingstock at the very least.

Very well said.

I would have to agree that I prefer and "enjoy" watching Batman and Robin because of what it is vs being bored with what Marvel tried to spoon feed me with IM2.

Oh well, my 8 year old nephew loved BW's fight scenes, I guess that makes Marvel happy .

To be fair to Marvel though, I guess they took a risk with Ang Lee's Hulk and they certainly regret it.

Quick question for everyone, who thinks Nolan/WB is playing it just as safe with Batman as Marvel is with their movies?

 

[thenammagazine]

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Honestly, if the best scenes in the AVENGERS are the ones with the characters sitting around talking, I would have no problem with that.

My favorite part of Thor was the dialogue between Thor/Loki/Odin and my favorite part of Cap was the dialogue between Steve/Erskine...NOT the action

I go shopping for the escalators!

Simply put, this is Avengers. Joss needs to go big, or go home.

 

[IrishJedi]

I bought the Blu-Ray, HT figures, even Hasbro figures from it but that's because I'm an Iron Man fan and not because the film was good, Iron Man 2 was one of the weakest films in that genre considering it's original source and the fact that most of the original team was still intact.

The same reason that I have a Green Lantern film Power Battery, the Mattel figures, T-shirts, a custom film Ring and will buy the HT figures because I'm a fan of GL not because that film could be considered good. Fandom of the character still saves over the quality of the film, look at Spider-Man 3 merchandise or X-Men: Origins Wolverine figures where the films were duds and forgettable yet the character love is there.

Marvel has been working towards The Avengers since 2008. A project in the process for 5 years and given that Iron Man was in preproduction since 1997, who knows when the whole Avengers thing came to pass maybe longer.

That is a lot of pressure and a lot riding on this to work. The best scenes in the film CANNOT be them sitting around the Helicarrier teasing each other about shortcomings. This thing has to almost be Bay-like in it's over the top action mixed with the general Marvel humor or it'll be considered questionable. Not to mention with so many characters both hero and villain packed in, this is already heading into "trilogy" waters where it's previous examples are things like Batman & Robin (a fourth film in reality), Spider-Man 3 and X3 where it was so overloaded that the story suffered beyond repair.

There are a ton of red flags already up on this and if it works it'll really be something special and if it fails it'll be one for the record books but the merchandise? It'll sell without a doubt and people will buy it on DVD/Blu-Ray because comic fans are gluttons for punishment, why do you think people own copies of Ang Lee's Hulk, The Punisher, Fantastic Four or Daredevil? .

 

[jye4ever]

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I go shopping for the escalators!

Simply put, this is Avengers. Joss needs to go big, or go home.

 

[IrishJedi]

Simply put, this is Avengers. Joss needs to go big, or go home.

Yep

 

[jye4ever]

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:exactly Yep

Whedon Bay

 

[thenammagazine]

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Whedon Bay

If what Mike posted is true, this would've been right up Bay's alley and should be treated like that Hulk example I gave, with the main battle running the extent of the film, and the dialogue and plot developed through flashback scenes. When I think of Avengers, I think of epic battles and worldwide carnage, not The Breakfast Club.

 

[jye4ever]

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If what Mike posted is true, this would've been right up Bay's alley and should be treated like that Hulk example I gave, with the main battle running the extent of the film, and the dialogue and plot developed through flashback scenes. When I think of Avengers, I think of epic battles and worldwide carnage, not The Breakfast Club.

I'll take a little Breakfast Club with it though

Funny part is that KF said that he wants the Avengers to have the same epic size battles and destruction of the last Transformers movie when he saw the Transformers trailer, something to that effect.

I just want a Banner who finally embraces who he is and Shield finally giving him his home, no more running

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

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I feel like it is really hard to compare this to any other movie at this point just because there is little to compare it to. It isn't really like any other comic book movie. I think it is so easy to make an embarrassing superhero movie and I wondered if either Thor or Captain America or both of them tanked the Avengers would have just been an idea rather than an upcoming movie. The fact we are at this stage in the game is pretty amazing to me.
Marvel Studios really can't afford to not go big. They would have so much egg on their face if audiences walked out feeling that the end result of four years of build up was essentially a ____ tease.
On the other hand Feige has hinted that The Avengers was the end of phase one of their plans and would be setting up a phase two. If that's true, The Avengers is the lynchpin that holds up their past present and future. It is just too important to screw up. That's not to see they can't screw it up, but its in Marvel Studios best interest to put their all into it.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I feel like it is really hard to compare this to any other movie at this point just because there is little to compare it to. It isn't really like any other comic book movie. I think it is so easy to make an embarrassing superhero movie and I wondered if either Thor or Captain America or both of them tanked the Avengers would have just been an idea rather than an upcoming movie. The fact we are at this stage in the game is pretty amazing to me.
Marvel Studios really can't afford to not go big. They would have so much egg on their face if audiences walked out feeling that the end result of four years of build up was essentially a ____ tease.
On the other hand Feige has hinted that The Avengers was the end of phase one of their plans and would be setting up a phase two. If that's true, The Avengers is the lynchpin that holds up their past present and future. It is just too important to screw up. That's not to see they can't screw it up, but its in Marvel Studios best interest to put their all into it.

Incredible Hulk tanked though, and he's a key player.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

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It probably would have been better if I had said if 2011 had been a crap year for Marvel Studios. I guess back in 2008 Iron Man's performance probably compensated for the Incredible Hulk's performance. If Thor and Captain America had gotten the reaction that Green Lantern did I would think we might not be having this discussion or we would be discussing a movie called Iron Man and Friends.
I was always most worried about Thor panning out because I imagined that would be the most difficult to adapt.

 

[jye4ever]

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It probably would have been better if I had said if 2011 had been a crap year for Marvel Studios. I guess back in 2008 Iron Man's performance probably compensated for the Incredible Hulk's performance. If Thor and Captain America had gotten the reaction that Green Lantern did I would think we might not be having this discussion or we would be discussing a movie called Iron Man and Friends.
I was always most worried about Thor panning out because I imagined that would be the most difficult to adapt.

Valid points

 

[IXI Nick IXI]

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according to msn.com thor was one of the years top ten worst films...

 

[jye4ever]

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according to msn.com thor was one of the years top ten worst films...

It might not be BB/TDK/IM1 quality but it's definately no stinker either, not even close.

 

[IrishJedi]

THOR was not great. But it wasn't terrible, either.

 

[The Mike]

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The Avengers would have happened regardless. By the time that Thor and Cap had their initial funding, the funding and preproduction for The Avengers was already planned and approved. This IS Marvel Studios' Hail Mary, they were going to throw it anyway. What would have happen if Thor and Cap had tanked hard, they would have probably recasted their actors for The Avengers and may have lessened their screen time and probably made the budget a bit more conservative but it would have still been greenlit.

Hell scenes for this were filmed during both Thor and Cap's shootings. The movie was in play before the box offices were even known.

Green Lantern commercially tanked no doubt, but it hasn't changed the Warner Bros status quo, they want a Justice League film and will want one even more if The Avengers is successful. Green Lantern was supposed to be the "Iron Man" of the DCU film universe. His sequel was even rumored to have a key character introduced ala Iron Man 2 but now that it's in limbo (the studio hasn't said whether they are officially scraping or moving on, although the actors have 5 year contracts so the earliest we'd see a new GL without that cast is 2015 unless they pay out Reynolds, etc.) and it seems like Nolan has a Batman POV on his Superman script (creating him in a vaccuum), of course given that Snyder is still going with that original vision then you won't see a full DCU style hit until the Batman reboot at the earliest.

 

[jye4ever]

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The Avengers would have happened regardless. By the time that Thor and Cap had their initial funding, the funding and preproduction for The Avengers was already planned and approved. This IS Marvel Studios' Hail Mary, they were going to throw it anyway. What would have happen if Thor and Cap had tanked hard, they would have probably recasted their actors for The Avengers and may have lessened their screen time and probably made the budget a bit more conservative but it would have still been greenlit.

Hell scenes for this were filmed during both Thor and Cap's shootings. The movie was in play before the box offices were even known.

Green Lantern commercially tanked no doubt, but it hasn't changed the Warner Bros status quo, they want a Justice League film and will want one even more if The Avengers is successful. Green Lantern was supposed to be the "Iron Man" of the DCU film universe. His sequel was even rumored to have a key character introduced ala Iron Man 2 but now that it's in limbo (the studio hasn't said whether they are officially scraping or moving on, although the actors have 5 year contracts so the earliest we'd see a new GL without that cast is 2015 unless they pay out Reynolds, etc.) and it seems like Nolan has a Batman POV on his Superman script (creating him in a vaccuum), of course given that Snyder is still going with that original vision then you won't see a full DCU style hit until the Batman reboot at the earliest.

 

[BuffyGirl]

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[The Mike]

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I'm tired of seeing Banner. Make with The Hulk Marvel Studios.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

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I hope at this stage of the game Marvel isn't thinking of this movie as a "Hail Mary." If it comes off as a total cash grab and a stinker, they throw several franchises down the toilet and are looking at either rebooting everything or they start hoping they can let Iron Man, Thor and Cap take a back seat for a while as they focus on less high profile properties.

It is hard to wrap my brain around how they are going to pull it off but I'm hopeful. Being four months and having not really seen a "money shot" yet is a little disconcerting but so many elements of this movie are still shrouded in secrecy I guess its anyone's guess at this point.