Kamandi
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It says a lot about Whedon as a writer and director that he lets his actors go off script. Many writers are too precious to tolerate that.
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thenammagazine
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Fine line though. Even a good actor can ruin a movie with too much input (Incredible Hulk).
Lord Aykroyd
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Certainly that had more to do with a mediocre initial script than Ed Norton's input (which from what I've read may have actually improved things).
Yeah, that that was also my criticism of the use of Hawkeye (though I think Widow is more similar to her comic iteration than he gives her credit for). I get that the Ultimates version was his inspiration, but. . .he's just some highly skilled soldier in this movie. The 616 version had real character and personality that set him apart. GOT author is probably right about Tony to some extent. Back in the day, Stark was really nothing like RDJ, personality-wise (apart from the addictions and ego). Hawkeye had more of the personality that RDJ represents as Stark--witty, wise-cracking, never really taking things as seriously as everyone else, challenging authority, etc. One major difference is probably that Hawkeye had a huge chip on his shoulder that RDJ doesn't seem to have. And Hawkeye has been one of my top Marvel characters for many years, so it was disappointing to see that they went with the "cool assassin soldier guy" approach. I guess it makes him more of a bad-ass, but it makes him less Hawkeye to me. And look no further than this poll to see how much of an impression that approach had on viewers vs. the other team members:
https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110407
plasmid303
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I actually would've liked to see Norton take more control of the movie. That's another, specific-case topic though and I generally agree with Nam that usually those kinds of situations just causes rifts between the actor and the rest of the creative team. Too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak.
Kamandi
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I don't think of The Incredible Hulk as a bad movie. Less than prefect but pretty decent. It's got some rough edges but mostly I enjoyed it. Much much much better than Ang Lee's Hulk.
DarkMagic
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I loved the shawarma bit. It really annoyed be that people got up to leave during the credits, especially since:
1. It's a Marvel movie...post credits scene is virtually guaranteed.
2. The usher freaking told everyone that there was a scene after the final credits before the movie started.
So we had a bunch of people frozen in place when it came up, standing to watch the scene they forgot was going to be there.
1. It's a Marvel movie...post credits scene is virtually guaranteed.
2. The usher freaking told everyone that there was a scene after the final credits before the movie started.
So we had a bunch of people frozen in place when it came up, standing to watch the scene they forgot was going to be there.
greygoose
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Listen to the guy at 2.08.
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You can't deny that you watch this film with a huge smile on your face.
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Sounds like a fun theater.
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Oh my god..so many nerds in that theater.
greygoose
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I usually hate people clapping and talking in the cinema but this film had so many epic moments like that it was well warranted.
K07
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Sounds like a fun theater.
I don't get why so many people think that's fun to watch with an obnoxious crowd. Laughing at jokes is one thing, but to be talking, cheering to the point dialogue is hard to hear, and finishing characters' lines would piss me off so much... Am I the only one that thinks that? I want to watch a movie, not participate in some fanboy geek frenzy.... I'd be equally pissed at a Nolan Batman movie (moreso, actually) so don't think I'm hating on this movie.
thenammagazine
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He pushed to make a film about the "human" side of Hulk. His goal was to attempt to reproduce the same vibe as the old TV show (which barely had any Hulk despite the name). That's not what people want. Marvel argued this and he threw a temper tantrum when Marvel cut the film to be more action-oriented, and refused to do any press for it. In the end he was wrong. Avengers proves this.
No, I feel the same way. Getting excited over a scene or two is a'aight, but if folks were constantly bantering it would bug me. The only movie I saw where it felt completely appropriate was Jackass
But I was thinking about how some of the serious, diehard Nolanites would respond if that happened during the Batman movie. They would probably jump over seats and start wailing on guys.
But I was thinking about how some of the serious, diehard Nolanites would respond if that happened during the Batman movie. They would probably jump over seats and start wailing on guys.
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I like Incredible Hulk a lot. I like Ruffles Hulk better, but he didn't have the burden of carrying a whole movie.
But I like most Hulk.
But I like most Hulk.
Hulk wasn't all action during Avengers, though. He was Banner most of the time. They just used his moments of Hulkness to good effect IMO. There was a LOT of Hulk in the Ang Lee movie, but lots of folks still seem to hate it.
Also, like Yo is saying, having to focus on Hulk for a whole movie and making it compelling is more difficult than having him show up as one member of a true ensemble movie. A Hulk movie won't be successful if all he does is make people jump up and cheer for a handful of scenes like he did in the Avengers.
thenammagazine
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That had more to do with the fubar'd origin story and Hulk looking too cartoony. I'm not saying people hate Bruce, you can't have Hulk without Bruce, but people don't go to a Hulk movie to see Bruce cry with Betty and run from Ross. They want to see Hulk smash, and keep smashing.
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No, I feel the same way. Getting excited over a scene or two is a'aight, but if folks were constantly bantering it would bug me. The only movie I saw where it felt completely appropriate was Jackass
But I was thinking about how some of the serious, diehard Nolanites would respond if that happened during the Batman movie. They would probably jump over seats and start wailing on guys.
Yeah, Jackass is warranted, when I saw this at midnight it was very close to that video, which makes sense, that's when all the people who actually care about seeing it is in there.
Nolan's batfilms (TDK's conclusion in particular) don't make me scream at the screen. They keep me on the edge of my seat, I had no idea what was gonna happen at the end there with the ferries. The music didn't help.
It's funny how when I visit the Avengers thread, I hear some bashing on people who love the Nolan films (nolanites), but if you go into TDKR's thread, you see none of that towards The Avengers hardcore fans.
K07
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It's funny how when I visit the Avengers thread, I hear some bashing on people who love the Nolan films (nolanites), but if you go into TDKR's thread, you see none of that towards The Avengers hardcore fans.
Haven't seen that here recently. I thought that was all in the "Avengers vs TDK" thread and in the TDKR thread itself
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