The Avengers: The Motion Picture Discussion Thread- Open SPOILERS -enter at own risk!

[Khev]

The success of Toy Story and Pixar has led to 1-5 CG animated movies being released a year for more than 10 years now. Have audiences tired of them? Not at all.

Have audiences tired of fantasy epics since LOTR and HP also began more than 10 years ago? Nope.

The superhero genre is just starting to hit its stride, IMO. It's not going anywhere for quite a while, if ever.

 

[Frank]

We've waited so long for the technology to be able to get these guys on the screen that I say we enjoy the ride while it lasts!

DC better bring it next year with the Supes reboot because they desperately need to expand cinematically. I can't believe how timid they've been while Marvel has been exploding all over the place.

 

[Anzik]

It is the nature of films to move in waves. Thinking there is actually a way to stave off the inevitable is pointless, rather they should ride the wave. I am hoping Marvel doesn't do the age old mistake of thinking everything needs a feature film. Years ago TV used to be looked at as a step down, yet more and more stars step into it. I'd like to see some TV limited series presentations, direct to video, and even a quality TV series all tied in to the Marvel universe.

 

[tylerdurden]

Because Hollywood isn't churning out the crappy, d-list artsy films you're overly fond of?

nice try with the baiting. but that's not at all what my point was, whether you care to admit it or not. cheers.

 

[tylerdurden]

The success of Toy Story and Pixar has led to 1-5 CG animated movies being released a year for more than 10 years now. Have audiences tired of them? Not at all.

Have audiences tired of fantasy epics since LOTR and HP also began more than 10 years ago? Nope.

The superhero genre is just starting to hit its stride, IMO. It's not going anywhere for quite a while, if ever.

LOTR and HP were very specific "fantasy" properties, and different from one another like day is to night. the superhero genre as a whole operates on very basic premises and formulas, such as the origin story (which is ONE example, before any of u go taking this example to task).

and animation is not a genre. try suggesting to brad bird that it is and he'll slap you around the head.

 

[Khev]

Right, LOTR and HP were adaptations of specific properties but not Captain America or Batman. Avengers and TDK almost couldn't be more different from one another, they're certainly farther apart than LOTR and HP.

 

[tylerdurden]

It is the nature of films to move in waves. Thinking there is actually a way to stave off the inevitable is pointless, rather they should ride the wave. I am hoping Marvel doesn't do the age old mistake of thinking everything needs a feature film. Years ago TV used to be looked at as a step down, yet more and more stars step into it. I'd like to see some TV limited series presentations, direct to video, and even a quality TV series all tied in to the Marvel universe.

that is one possible way of helping to "stave off the inevitable", as u put it. again, for those dense of comprehension (not u, anzik), i love superhero films, i am just concerned about the impending burnout from producing feature film after feature film where studios care more for release dates than the actual quality of the product. some properties will inevitably suffer (eg: daredevil, green lantern, punisher war zone, etc).

 

[tylerdurden]

Right, LOTR and HP were adaptations of specific properties but not Captain America or Batman. Avengers and TDK almost couldn't be more different from one another, they're certainly farther apart than LOTR and HP.

well, i agree that batman and cap are different, but they still fall very much within the clearly definable genre that is the superhero genre, whereas LOTR and potter are quite distinct.

anyway, that isn't the bottom line. as an ACCUMULATED effect, people will start to tire of all these superhero films if the studios aren't careful. and i'm not just referring to marvel, alright. the problem is made worse by studios themselves, by rebooting properties sooner and sooner after the last trilogy/set of films. granted, they have varying degrees of quality (batman begins vs the amazing spider-man) but how soon will it be when it reaches the point where audiences say "hey, wait a sec, you guys keep peddling the same stuff, just with different packaging! and it's starting to taste kinda crappy!"?

 

[Frank]

Some genres are more enduring and endearing than others. The superhero/comic book film is now firmly entrenched in our culture and ain't going anywhere soon even if you have a bunch of flops. You will sooner see the movie biz disappear before the superhero flick abandoned.

However, I do recall the great Marvel bubble burst of the mid 90's when oversaturation did cause major problems for the company. The industry never recovered and has been serving as a pre-production pre-Hollywood storyboard for some time now. As much of a boon film has been, in my mind video games have even more promise for this new delivery system. It really is what all the kids are doing. One look at Arkham Asylum/City was enough to convince me.

The push to make everything 3D and overall declining return on investment means that the medium itself is in trouble. If superhero movies are doing anything, they're keeping the industry from collapsing.

 

[quiggle]

I just finished watching it on blu-ray and wanted to know why you can see the strings of saliva on Hawkeye's mouth when he talks to Black Window after he is no longer under Lokees spell?

is no one going to help me with an answer?

 

[Viking Spawn]

Avengers ends theatrical run:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=68248


DVD Sales:

https://www.homemediamagazine.com/research/avengers-debut-marvel-dvd-and-bd-sales-charts-28483

 

[The Josh]

Not a bad run at all. One of the best movie going experiences for me and the best film this summer by far IMO.

 

[Viking Spawn]

Not a bad run at all. One of the best movie going experiences for me and the best film this summer by far IMO.

My favorite film: PERIOD!

 

[Ramatuelle]

It was a real yin-yang summer for me. On the one hand, the delight brought by "Avengers." On the other hand, the crushing disappointment that was "Prometheus." I guess I am lucky I liked one out of the two things I was waiting for

 

[jye4ever]

The success of Toy Story and Pixar has led to 1-5 CG animated movies being released a year for more than 10 years now. Have audiences tired of them? Not at all.

Have audiences tired of fantasy epics since LOTR and HP also began more than 10 years ago? Nope.

The superhero genre is just starting to hit its stride, IMO. It's not going anywhere for quite a while, if ever.

We've waited so long for the technology to be able to get these guys on the screen that I say we enjoy the ride while it lasts!

DC better bring it next year with the Supes reboot because they desperately need to expand cinematically. I can't believe how timid they've been while Marvel has been exploding all over the place.

Not a bad run at all. One of the best movie going experiences for me and the best film this summer by far IMO.

 

[budafett]

DC comics needs to have a game plan and have some seriousness brought into their franchise.

Especially if Nolan's batman is over, they better make sure the reboot, Superman, Green Lantern, etc are on the same level as the Dark Knight saga and what Marvel is able to do with their universe!


But Marvel deserves a lot of credit with their movie phases and understanding they can't just make ****ty movies and expect audiences to flock. Inside Disney's licenses they have done a great job with the movies and timing.

Sony and Fox should be ashamed and sell their rights back to Disney!

 

[tylerdurden]

Some genres are more enduring and endearing than others. The superhero/comic book film is now firmly entrenched in our culture and ain't going anywhere soon even if you have a bunch of flops. You will sooner see the movie biz disappear before the superhero flick abandoned.

However, I do recall the great Marvel bubble burst of the mid 90's when oversaturation did cause major problems for the company. The industry never recovered and has been serving as a pre-production pre-Hollywood storyboard for some time now. As much of a boon film has been, in my mind video games have even more promise for this new delivery system. It really is what all the kids are doing. One look at Arkham Asylum/City was enough to convince me.

The push to make everything 3D and overall declining return on investment means that the medium itself is in trouble. If superhero movies are doing anything, they're keeping the industry from collapsing.

only in the short to medium term. i'm looking at it from a business perspective, and stuff like 3D are product innovations/gimmicks that just slap band-aids on the overall problem of the quality --- or lack thereof --- of the products themselves (this refers to movies in general nowadays). as with any industry, superhero films keep getting made because the formula works for the studios as a cash cow. keep milking the cash cow long & hard enough without pause and without proper quality control and it will suffer fatigue, just like the marvel example u cited. then the industry will simply move on to the next big cash cow. but since things happen in cycles, even this so-called burnout will not last, and eventually will return... albeit in a different format/formula. nothing is permanent.

i'd just like to see the industry make the trend last as long as possible, in the right ways.

 

[thenammagazine]

Right, LOTR and HP were adaptations of specific properties but not Captain America or Batman. Avengers and TDK almost couldn't be more different from one another, they're certainly farther apart than LOTR and HP.

It's just more ignorant trolling for the sake of it. He's blatantly ignoring that his own posts are contradictory. Yet if we were talking about Se7en or Fight Club or some other lame indie flick that we were oversaturated with in the 90's-00's, he'd be naked, coated in peanut butter and slapping jelly on his monkey in celebration of their overabundance.

 

[jye4ever]

sounds like something I would do.

 

[DiFabio]

I do that all the time. My nick name in high school was PPn'J.