The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Well that hurts... :)

Well I know I have come down hard on the last two.. But it I should state that I still find them enjoyable (DOS EE not TC )... Just not as good as I was hoping... I still stand by my criticisms and feel this would have been a better two part movie but I will have no problem enjoying them for what they are down the road

You'll be ok I think. :lol

I fully expect you two and your opinion. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. That isn't what I meant in my post. I'm not gonna get worked up over others that didn't like the films or have some head scratching things they'd like change (sorry you do that a lot with all these films). I have no problem with folks having issues. I just don't care if they do or don't and will like the films for me. I do have issues with all six films and will discuss those as well. I as a whole just prefer to talk about what I liked. Makes for a more fun discussion.
 
Saw it last night with my brother and the kids.

Meh.

I think this is the one I've least enjoyed. I really liked TDOS, so I had high hopes for this, but it was a letdown.
Jackson's limitations and obsessions are too apparent here.

The over the top fighting repeatedly pulled me out of the emotional gravitas of the battles, making them look like some über-kinetic video game.
The HFR looked as jarring as ever, I really can't enjoy that format.
The Elf-Dwarf love story was even worse than Anakin-Padme...
The filler characters (Alfrid, anyone?) were terribly annoying, and the supposed comic relief was poor.

My 18 year old nephew repeatedly face-palmed and groaned during the movie, and he is a big fan of LOTR, having grown up with it.
My 11 year old son harrumphed every time Jackson deviated from the story.
My 14 year old daughter rolled her eyes at the love story.

They liked it, they just felt it was all a bit goofy.

All in all, these look and feel like glorified B-movies.
And unfortunately, they reflect poorly on the LOTR trilogy. I'm just glad Jackson can't make any more Middle Earth movies, hopefully he'll move on to a different kind of movies and find his voice as filmmaker again.

I'll probably give it another viewing and enjoy it for what it is.
 
Saw this on Saturday and really enjoyed it. For some reason, the CGI did seem a little more noticeable to me, this time around. I'm not sure if this time around, when our local theater showed it, they showed in 48 fps, instead of 24, or if the CGI was more noticeable simply due to there being more of it in the third movie because so much of it was the giant battle. Either way, it didn't really take away from my enjoyment of the film.
I agree with some of the others on here who have said that they've enjoyed some of the additions to the story. The foreshadowing regarding Sauron, in particular, I thought was well handled.
 
You'll be ok I think. :lol

I fully expect you two and your opinion. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. That isn't what I meant in my post. I'm not gonna get worked up over others that didn't like the films or have some head scratching things they'd like change (sorry you do that a lot with all these films). I have no problem with folks having issues. I just don't care if they do or don't and will like the films for me. I do have issues with all six films and will discuss those as well. I as a whole just prefer to talk about what I liked. Makes for a more fun discussion.


Not the first film... I thought that was fine...

Basically came down to legolas and Sauron side stories for me... Was not in love with either and took me out of the story a bit. Stop scratching you head :)


PS - I assume you are only talking about the new films because I love the LOTR
 
I seen it yesterday with the wife. I enjoyed it for what it was. Once it got to the battle scenes it became my favorite of The Hobbit trilogy. For me though none of this trilogy is even close to the LOTR trilogy.
I don't know what time frame I was expecting but was surprised how fast Smaug was killed off.

My main problem with all 3 of The Hobbit films is too much CGI. The characters remind me of video game characters instead of living breathing things. And when it was needed it just didn't look as good as it should have Compare the cave trill from FOTR in the mines of Moria to the trolls from these movies and they're just not as good. I don't know how newer technology can look worse than older technology but PJ did it.

I also didn't care for how the Ring Wraiths were represented when Saruman, Galadriel, and Elrond were fighting them. We see their true spirit form in FOTR, why was it changed?

Super Legolas didn't bother me a bit. He has always been that way. I forget which book but in one of the books it states that an Elf Lord could defeat a Balrog so I don't know why people have a problem with some of what Legolas did

Looking past what I wrote I still enjoyed the movies and am saddened that this is it. No movies have made me feel like the LOTR trilogy and these films gave me back some of that feeling. I haven't read the books in awhile. I think I am past due.
 
Basically came down to legolas and Sauron side stories for me... Was not in love with either and took me out of the story a bit. Stop scratching you head :)
PS - I assume you are only talking about the new films because I love the LOTR

Fair enough. I loved those additions myself not that it matters any. I have. :lol

I meant all of them but that's cool you love the LOTR films.
 
Saw it last night with my brother and the kids.

Meh.

I think this is the one I've least enjoyed. I really liked TDOS, so I had high hopes for this, but it was a letdown.
Jackson's limitations and obsessions are too apparent here.

The over the top fighting repeatedly pulled me out of the emotional gravitas of the battles, making them look like some über-kinetic video game.
The HFR looked as jarring as ever, I really can't enjoy that format.
The Elf-Dwarf love story was even worse than Anakin-Padme...
The filler characters (Alfrid, anyone?) were terribly annoying, and the supposed comic relief was poor.

My 18 year old nephew repeatedly face-palmed and groaned during the movie, and he is a big fan of LOTR, having grown up with it.
My 11 year old son harrumphed every time Jackson deviated from the story.
My 14 year old daughter rolled her eyes at the love story.

They liked it, they just felt it was all a bit goofy.

All in all, these look and feel like glorified B-movies.
And unfortunately, they reflect poorly on the LOTR trilogy. I'm just glad Jackson can't make any more Middle Earth movies, hopefully he'll move on to a different kind of movies and find his voice as filmmaker again.

I'll probably give it another viewing and enjoy it for what it is.

it felt like Tauriel was barely even in this film til the end, so I don't see how that even stood out to anyone as a negative aspect of the film. I thought the Alfrid scenes were funny, as that was prolly their intention. There were some very emotional parts to the movie and some very humorous ones to off set that.
 
it felt like Tauriel was barely even in this film til the end, so I don't see how that even stood out to anyone as a negative aspect of the film. I thought the Alfrid scenes were funny, as that was prolly their intention. There were some very emotional parts to the movie and some very humorous ones to off set that.

I don't understand a lot of the negativity, especially "the romance" since it was barely even there.
 
I was shocked when Kili died. It took some real balls to set that romance up and not pay it off. It's a rare few directors that will take that sort of risk with a big blockbuster family movie.
 
I was shocked when Kili died. It took some real balls to set that romance up and not pay it off. It's a rare few directors that will take that sort of risk with a big blockbuster family movie.

Kili dies in the book. He had to go like Fili and Thorin. I think a few more dwarves shoulda bought it too like the book.. I think 6 or 7 died total. I just don't remember the exact number
 
someone posted this comparison on fb and it does kind of piss me off. how do you even defend this? how? HOW?

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if LOTR was made today NONE of these would exist in this way...none of them... damn you Peter (Lucas) Jackson... damn you :crying
(cant wait until he replaces all the creatures from LOTR with cgi... you know thats coming)

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Eh, it's been discussed to death blackmask. No point in bringing it up again.

Still, Lurtz, Gothmog, Grishnak, Skully Lt. Orc, "why can't we have some meats" orc, Shagrat, Ugluk, Gorbag, the drill sergeant from the Extended Edition Return of the King orc disguise/camp scene, all memorable orcs/Uruk-Hai that I can name off the top of my head. They all had personality and felt real, because they were. Certain orcs like Lurtz were also legitimately frightening which was a testament to the artistic talent on the films.

The Hobbit has yogurt blast Azog and the fat Goblin King. The only reason I remember them is because of their garish animation and OTT personality.
 
Cgi or not, Azog and his ***** were scary and intimidating, so despite the yogurt being in full effect, they still worked in the context of the movie.

Hell, a non cgi baddie would've actually looked out of place in these movies, think about it. :lol
 
For those that care and want to take the time to read my thoughts on the movie. I'll post it with spoiler tags.

We’ve come to the end of road for new releases of Middle-earth based movies, and I find myself happy to see the movie while also being sad that it’s the end. We of course do have the Extended Edition that will come out next year so we have that to look forward to. I’ve had a chance to see this twice already and I’ve walked away loving it each time. I’m going to copy the format my fellow staffer Garfeimao used to give my thoughts on various moments.

Unlike the previous two movies The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies jumps right into the action. The pace of this movie moves every bit as quick as The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug if not a little bit quicker, and the movie is shorter, as well, coming in at 2 hours and 24 minutes long (with credits). As has been the case with the entire trilogy, there is some really good stuff and some stuff I can’t say I’m a fan of. However, I love this series and how all of it came out and have enjoyed the journey we’ve all taken to get to this point. I will say this movie is going to set the discussions ablaze with how much it does veer off the normal path of Tolkien, but I do feel it still captures the proper feel of the world I love. The end of this one is beautiful and a nice emotional beat as we close out the movie, and then we of course have the credits that match The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. Overall, I think this movie is a total winner and I will be seeing it multiple times before it leaves theaters.

Things I liked:

1. I love the Laketown stuff. Smaug taking out the town is pretty darn impressive but it only picks up once we get to Bard v. Smaug. Smaug is of course arrogant as always especially after Bard has tried his best to take him out with a regular bow/arrow combo. It is a touch different with Bain entering the picture but he does bring the Black Arrow to the party. I also liked that the windlance isn’t used in the killing of Smaug. The makeshift bow Bard has to make while using Bain to steady it I thought was quite perfect. As was watching Smaug come crashing down on Laketown while also taking out the Master.

2. Dol Guldur – I loved this sequence. It is something I’ve wanted to see since I read The White Council takes on the Necromancer. I love the stealth mode in which Galadriel gets into Dol Guldur, and surprises the original Bolg look. Her showing a short burst of power was pretty awesome. Then we get Saruman and Elrond who join the fight taking on the Ringwraiths. Both of those guys put on a heck of a fight and I love the look they went with on the Ringwraiths. I also love how the Ringwraiths, even after being defeated, are brought back by Sauron. It fits with Gollum telling Frodo they cannot be killed. They can be defeated but not killed as we saw during The Lord of the Rings.

We also get to see Galadriel in full power mode, which we get a glimpse of in The Fellowship of the Ring. This time she really flexes her muscle and shows why when Frodo tempts her with the ring it would be a really BAD thing if she took it. I also like that we see Sauron having to flee to Mordor to start the process over, which we see during The Lord of the Rings.

3. Azog/Bolg both are really awesome I think. I love the battle changes they both get in this movie and how they look. Especially the switch out weapon Azog got and the description we got in the new Weta Chronicles book. Basically he ripped the other out and put this one in. I know these two have caught a lot of crap for being CGI, but I think they look fantastic. I find myself forgetting they’re CGI and think they’re about as real as they can get.

4. One of the moments I loved is the conference between Bilbo, Gandalf, Bard, and Thranduil when Bilbo gives them the Arkenstone. It is yet another moment that I think we’ve all been waiting to see and it comes out perfectly. You have all this power in the room trying to decide what exactly the best route is and in steps Bilbo. This little hobbit who so loves his friends is willing to offer something that might get him hurt as a peace offering. Thranduil just trashes the Dwarves and Bilbo steps and reminds them how great really they are. I just love this part as I think it reminds us all that all our friends have faults but they also have many positives.

5. Thorin’s fall is FANTASTIC! All along we’ve gotten a nicer version of him with bits here and there of what is to come. I’ve been eager to see this all come to life and Richard Armitage does such a great job with it. He finally becomes that dark mean character from the book. He questions the loyalty of those around him, wants to toss Bilbo off the edge of the blockade, and just the greed you see from him even while battle is on his doorstep. It’s as if the gold itself is like the Ring and corrupts him to nearly beyond coming back.

6. Thorin’s return is something I also really enjoyed. He and the dried gold that they used to trap Smaug are really well done. I love how as he looks at this he feels like he is being swallowed by the lust for gold and that his greed is almost too much. This to me is fitting with how we approach money and let it consume us. He comes out of it though and realizes he is becoming like Thror.

7. Bilbo and Thorin have a couple of nice moments during all of this. I love the scene with the acorn and the brief moment of Thorin coming out of the Dragon Sickness. It’s nice to see these two share that they’ve been in a journey and respect each other. I also love seeing Bilbo get the Mithril Shirt. The impact that shirt has after we go into The Fellowship of the Ring is huge.

8. The Battle itself is really cool. I love that there are fights going all over the place and that it isn’t bigger in scale than the fights we get in The Lord of the Rings. You’ve got some great moments where you have the Dwarves showing off their power as well as the Elves showing off just how awesome they are. Mix those together and it makes for some great fighting. Then of course you have the men lead by Bard who show that you can’t take fishermen as a weak army. Of course you have all the Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, and bats. They’re just so cool! One complaint I’ve seen of this is we only get small bits of the whole battle. This isn’t any different than The Lord of the Rings films. We’re always up close in those instead of just focusing on the entire battle.

9. The Trolls and various Orcs. I really like all the designs we got. They look darn cool, IMO. I think they all are things that could exist in Middle-earth and I cannot wait to see Weta make statues of them and add them to my collection. I especially like the Trolls with the catapults on their back.

10. Legolas has been an awesome addition to these films. I love him in this movie to be honest. We get to start to see Legolas become the Elf that goes to The Council of Elrond, as well as why he cares for Aragorn so much. The move he does with the Bat is totally awesome, IMO. For me it is no different than anything we’ve seen from him before so I just rolled into those moments. I also think it’s funny we finally see him run out of arrows and what he does when he doesn’t have them. The rematch of him v. Bolg is also pretty darn good. You’ve got another Legolas moment with him and the stone steps. Maybe take the slow mo part out but it’s a neat moment. Of course when he finally kills Bolg that’s a fist pump moment for me. Even if it is different than how Bolg dies in the book.

11. The deaths of Fili and Kili are sad as we knew they would be. They don’t die protecting Thorin but defending those around them. Maybe not the way we thought it would end but a fitting end nonetheless.

12. Thorin finally gets to take on Azog. They duke it out on the ice, which is a change from the book but I really like this. I enjoyed the process of the final moments as Azog gives Thorin the killing blow with Thorin realizing he must sacrifice himself for this to end. Thus allowing him to finally end Azog and save his line from annihilation

13. I do like that Bilbo gets to participate in the battle instead of just getting knocked out at the start. I also like that he tosses the stones, which is a nice touch with how we know Hobbits can toss a rock. He does get knocked out, which is nice to see that come into play as well.

14. Bilbo saying goodbye is short but sweet. It’s touching because we see just how much they all care. That Bilbo now will welcome a house full of Dwarves anytime, which is different than how he started.

15. Thranduil telling Legolas about Aragorn. I love this line to be honest. As I said earlier it helps explain why Legolas is protective of Aragorn at The Council of Elrond.

16. The chat between Bilbo and Gandalf was quite nice. It reminded me of the chat they have in the first film before Bilbo decides to not go on the journey. Some nice lines from the book happen here as well reminding Bilbo he’s just a small part in this world. I also like the bit talking about rings because we know Gandalf knew Bilbo found a magic ring, and it works with the shock of Gandalf realizing it’s The One Ring.

17. For me the auction was a funny quick moment that was nice to see. The part though that made it stand out for me is when Bilbo is asked about Thorin. That right there shows the quality of this Hobbit.

18. The Last Goodbye by Billy Boyd is perfect. It fits the end of this trilogy as well as the trip we’ve been on through six films. What an amazing ride and I’m so glad we went on it. I also love the end credits and how they match what we got before. A fantastic end.
Here are a few things I didn’t care for just so folks don’t think I thought this was perfect.

Things I didn't care for:

1. I think the love stuff was a little thicker in this movie than I care for. I didn’t feel it was that way in film two but in this one it was between Kili/Tauriel. I also didn’t care for the kiss at the end.
2. The lack of Beorn. He’s not my favorite character but again we don’t get much. We’re getting more of him in the EE but we couldn’t get more in this?
3. I could have lived without Alfrid dressing as a girl. I didn’t mind him otherwise but that was just a bit silly to be honest.
4. I also wish the movie was longer because we didn’t get some closure to certain moments. Again, I expect we will see them in the EE but I want them now.
 
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