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[filip629]

That all being said, I REALLY hope this turns out to be a closed ES. I HATE the idea of open ES on ANY piece I have in my collection.

Why? Do you collect for the fun or the money?[/QUOTE]

You know, I get tired of people making statements like this. ES is a factor. Whether it matters to you or not. SSC made ES a factor. They are the ones that marketed their products as limited collectibles from the word go. Since SSC began their business they have set ES on almost all their pieces. Have you ever asked why? If ES is not important, then why do they have one on almost all of their releases? Why do THEY put numbers on their collectibles if it doesn't matter?

To answer your question directly.....both. I collect pieces I like and that I think look good. I also don't want to order a $650 item from SSC with an open ES and then see it selling for $400 in the aftermarket. I really don't care if a piece I buy doubles in price. It's nice but I never count on it. However, no person ever wants to see their money just thrown away.

 

[Hemooo]

Close ES is a must!! Even if it's high number, otherwise why it's collectable!! Just MHO

 

[DHAVAL]

Close ES is a must!! Even if it's high number, otherwise why it's collectable!! Just MHO

ES really matters even if its large in no. why SS put ES like 2000 on Galactus Maquette also

 

[filip629]

Yes, I prefer Sideshow shows the ES when the product is up for pre-order like Skaar PF EX.

But I can accept if they put ES: TBD and later on announce what the ES is. Their reason is they want people to order because they like the statue not because the ES. Ok I get that, I am totally fine.

What I can't accept (and I don't understand why would anyone would accept this kind of practice especially when NRD involves) is they put ES: TBD when the product is up to make it look like that product will have a closed ES but then few days/few weeks/few months later they change it to open ES.

That's totally different than not having a set number of ES up front.

If you want to sell open ES product please put it up front, indicate it from the beginning as soon as the product up for order.

I know some of you here believe Sideshow can do NO WRONG, I would like to hear from you what would be the positive reason behind changing the ES: TBD to open ES after a few days/weeks/months?

Amen Brother.

When we are paying an NRD, we should know if there is an ES, a TBD ES, or an open ES. It's bad business to establish an ES or a TBD ES at the time of PO, charge an NRD, then change it to an open ES at a later date. That's pure BS in my book.

 

[filip629]

I can't remember a Maquette not being 1/4

Ghost Rider Maquette.

 

[dino76m]

though i really dont care about ES now, somehow i feel i will worry about the value of the items i have in future, when newer versions come out ,i might want to get rid of the older ones,
but on flip side i hate ordering on the first day afyer just seeing the proto pic, i really want to see more in hand pic and deliberate before making a choice as like i said before i would like to buy for keeps,but that wouldnt be possible if ES is announced on the pre order day and the scalpers/flippers buy everything in site and put it on ebat the next day for 3-4 times the original price
somehow i think a balance needs to be found and maybe sideshow can keep the ES under wraps to keep the flippers away and let the collectors time to make a choice.also from the business perspective maybe they can increase or decrease it suit the demand,
but once the demand is saturated after its been released and around for a year or so, they could close the production and let the customers know the ES, of course they should number the items put out then

 

[Mamba]

Worst case scenario its an open ES... It doesnt matter they will never make 5000 !!!! Sideshow is not a buizness like that.Same goes for the IM 1/2 that people were citing as exemple.Now, I agree it doesnt sell for much on the After market cause Sideshow is still producing some...But they will stop production eventually.But how many do you think they sold worldwide..???? Probably less than 1K. Now if you're in this hobby for the long run, you know even the open edition will dry and Sideshow will put an ES to them.Might take years but in the end, your collectible will gain value... Yes even a statue like the IM 1/2.Pseudo collectors today wants their statue to gain after market value immediately.unfortunately this isnt how it always work.
Hulk FTW.

The fact is we would never know how many they would make if this is an open ES. Is it possible they will make over 5000 of this? Absolutely, why it's not possible? It all depends how long they will keep this open. Hulk is well known character if they keep this open at least 5 years, I believe they can sell it over 5000 items around the world easy.
Remember this will only cost us $650, 650 freakin dollar NOT $2K like LSF. $650 is NOT unaffordable for many of us.

As of today all Sideshow open ES products are still left open, you have no prove to say that Sideshow eventually will stop making it.

IM LSF was up for pre-order in 2009 and I believe Terminator Endo LSF has been around even longer.

As long as there is still a demand Sideshow will continue making it. They have no obligation to stop making it because THERE IS NO NUMBER IS SET AND MAKE KNOWN TO THE CUSTOMERS.

I really hope Sideshow can prove me wrong, please STOP making IM LSF and people may start feeling better about this open ES crap.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

The 2 BW are completely different sizes
I'm getting it just want an ES and as big as possible!
Looks 26" to me, should be bigger if true 1:4.
The base is at least 3" at the front

Well I did say that the chart wasn't exactly accurate.

 

[Collectorcol]

Well I did say that the chart wasn't exactly accurate.

Should of said 'not accurate at all'.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Should of said 'not accurate at all'.

True.

 

[Collectorcol]

We will see soon enough.
Congrats to all that are ordering. This will be an amazing centre piece to any collection regardless of scale and ES.

 

[DarthChrisDK]

We will see soon enough.
Congrats to all that are ordering. This will be an amazing centre piece to any collection regardless of scale and ES.

Yup! Can't wait!

 

[Darth Snoopy]

This will be an amazing centre piece to any collection regardless of scale and ES.

Very true.

 

[SolidLiquidFox]

Two words: market saturation.

They risk overproducing for the sake of maximizing immediate profits. In the long run that model will not sustain. One of the main reasons Sideshow is popular is because how their items are actually collectible as proven by ebay. Sure those sculpts sure are pretty amazing, but you would not see this fast increase in popularity without the aftermarket prices telling you is okay to buy a $400 statue without the ability to get your money back and more. You don't quit collecting legos, action figures, mini-busts or whatever to dive head first into something that will lose you money. I don't care how pretty it looks on your shelf.

Sideshow uses the excuse that the hobby has grown and their user base has expanded. Sure, that's certainly the case and a true statement. However, they still need to keep some kind of control on the core of what your business is: collectible items. The open edition discussions pop up in just about every thread. A lot of it has to do with budgetting and planning to be able to bring these pieces home. A lot of the complaining is from people that want to support Sideshow and not just bash it. The limited pieces get priority over open ES. That's just common sense to avoid paying more later. That's basic economics/budgetting but the way Sideshow is acting is like it's a free for all and we may even trick you and turn it into open ES when you are not looking. Buy it if you like it. Edition sizes be damn. Collectibility be damn. True fans don't hesitate.

That's the name of the game now.

 

[Mister Ski]

Two words: market saturation.

They risk overproducing for the sake of maximizing immediate profits. In the long run that model will not sustain. One of the main reasons Sideshow is popular is because how their items are actually collectible as proven by ebay. Sure those sculpts sure are pretty amazing, but you would not see this fast increase in popularity without the aftermarket prices telling you is okay to buy a $400 statue without the ability to get your money back and more. You don't quit collecting legos, action figures, mini-busts or whatever to dive head first into something that will lose you money. I don't care how pretty it looks on your shelf.

Sideshow uses the excuse that the hobby has grown and their user base has expanded. Sure, that's certainly the case and a true statement. However, they still need to keep some kind of control on the core of what your business is: collectible items. The open edition discussions pop up in just about every thread. A lot of it has to do with budgetting and planning to be able to bring these pieces home. A lot of the complaining is from people that want to support Sideshow and not just bash it. The limited pieces get priority over open ES. That's just common sense to avoid paying more later. That's basic economics/budgetting but the way Sideshow is acting is like it's a free for all and we may even trick you and turn it into open ES when you are not looking. Buy it if you like it. Edition sizes be damn. Collectibility be damn. True fans don't hesitate.

That's the name of the game now.

Let's say you are a business owner supplying a product to customers. You have 1000 customers willing to pay you $100 for your product. How many do you make?

 

[RobertoBagg10]

I am rubbing my hands together! Why? No, it's not because I'm cold, but because I'm going to PO the most eagerly awaited piece of 2012! (apart from the Doom LSF) yes you guessed it, The Hulk!


Puney God!

 

[gagaliya]

This forum amounts to about 2% of sideshows sales.

You don't have a clue

Dont you love those one liners from ink, you are actually the one that's completely clueless based on all your responses regarding sideshow.

it's not rocket science, take a past known ES statue like the skaar, goto the thread, do a search for ordered and date filter to get the approx, there are also at least just as many on the forum who ordered but didnt post.

2% of sideshow's business will make 30 orders for the whole forum out of a 1500 es (ex+reg) assume 1500 is completely soldout. At least have some facts or knowledge to backup your snide responses instead of just pulling them out of....

 

[gagaliya]

Yeah they are based over there its a great looking statue just expensive

thanks, i really like the pose for this one. Will see if we can work out some deal.

 

[dino76m]

Dont you love those one liners from ink, you are actually the one that's completely clueless based on all your responses regarding sideshow.

it's not rocket science, take a past known ES statue like the skaar, goto the thread, do a search for ordered and date filter to get the approx, there are also at least just as many on the forum who ordered but didnt post.

2% of sideshow's business will make 30 orders for the whole forum out of a 1500 es (ex+reg) assume 1500 is completely soldout. At least have some facts or knowledge to backup your snide responses instead of just pulling them out of....

about 30% of the ex editions end up in a pure scalpers hand with no intention of keeping it,its easy money for them, but for collectors it isnt easy to come up with money everytime a new pre order comes up, a little bit of time between the pre order and date of release will help the collector in not dishing out 3 times the original retail price. for an ex. TBD es helps a collector in doing that while keeping the flippers guessing.
right now the open ES is only seen on LSF and the more expensive maquette line which again helps some serious collectors to get the statue without spending 3-4 times orignal value taking their own sweet time, agreed it slows down their sell out, but i guess it helps a serious collector who would like to keep one for his collection,
i think the ES are set based on the demand for an item like the PFs as seen from the extemely low ES on spiderwoman and Iceman statues, this again helps sideshow in cutting losses and increasing editions sises when demand is there..

 

[Mister Ski]

about 30% of the ex editions end up in a pure scalpers hand with no intention of keeping it,its easy money for them, but for collectors it isnt easy to come up with money everytime a new pre order comes up, a little bit of time between the pre order and date of release will help the collector in not dishing out 3 times the original retail price. for an ex. TBD es helps a collector in doing that while keeping the flippers guessing.
right now the open ES is only seen on LSF and the more expensive maquette line which again helps some serious collectors to get the statue without spending 3-4 times orignal value taking their own sweet time, agreed it slows down their sell out, but i guess it helps a serious collector who would like to keep one for his collection,
i think the ES are set based on the demand for an item like the PFs as seen from the extemely low ES on spiderwoman and Iceman statues, this again helps sideshow in cutting losses and increasing editions sises when demand is there..