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Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

I love having a portable movie player. My iPhone has come in handy many times in line at the grocery store or at the doctor's office, etc. I have software that allows me to put a DVD in my laptop and convert it into an MP4 file, and then sync it onto my phone for portable playback. I can then delete it after a while and replace it with something else. I bought the DVD, and I created a digital version to play on my portable media player--just like buying a CD and converting the songs to MP3s for the same purpose.

Now the iPad comes out with a high def-ish screen. (1080p was never going to be a reality at this size, but even your 720p content is going to have to be scaled down to about "576p" due to the 4x3 screen ratio. You're going to have to smash that rectangular HD content down quite a bit to fit inside Apple's square screen, and 576 lines is getting awfully close to the 480 of standard def.)

In order to watch a video in Apple's fake "high def" quality on the iPad, you are going to have to purchase it from iTunes. If I already purchased the Blu-ray, I don't want to pay another $20 to repurchase the same movie from Apple to play downscaled on my iPad--keeping in mind that I cannot connect it via HDMI and watch it in its full resolution on an HDTV.

When there is a way to import the high def video content that I already own (just as I can currently do with music and standard def video), play it back in at least 720p on my portable device and output it via an HDMI connector/adapter to an HDTV monitor, then I will have a portable media player that interests me.

In terms of video capabilities, this is not in any way a step forward from the iPhone and so I will leave it to those who want to pay big bucks for a color Kindle, or sit on the couch and not watch shows on Hulu.
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

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:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:lol
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

I love having a portable movie player. My iPhone has come in handy many times in line at the grocery store or at the doctor's office, etc. I have software that allows me to put a DVD in my laptop and convert it into an MP4 file, and then sync it onto my phone for portable playback. I can then delete it after a while and replace it with something else. I bought the DVD, and I created a digital version to play on my portable media player--just like buying a CD and converting the songs to MP3s for the same purpose.

Now the iPad comes out with a high def-ish screen. (1080p was never going to be a reality at this size, but even your 720p content is going to have to be scaled down to about "576p" due to the 4x3 screen ratio. You're going to have to smash that rectangular HD content down quite a bit to fit inside Apple's square screen, and 576 lines is getting awfully close to the 480 of standard def.)

In order to watch a video in Apple's fake "high def" quality on the iPad, you are going to have to purchase it from iTunes. If I already purchased the Blu-ray, I don't want to pay another $20 to repurchase the same movie from Apple to play downscaled on my iPad--keeping in mind that I cannot connect it via HDMI and watch it in its full resolution on an HDTV.

When there is a way to import the high def video content that I already own (just as I can currently do with music and standard def video), play it back in at least 720p on my portable device and output it via an HDMI connector/adapter to an HDTV monitor, then I will have a portable media player that interests me.

In terms of video capabilities, this is not in any way a step forward from the iPhone and so I will leave it to those who want to pay big bucks for a color Kindle, or sit on the couch and not watch shows on Hulu.

:lecture I keep trying to explain to everyone it's nothing new.. or nothing we don't have all ready. Just hype and sad.. :monkey1
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

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Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

No flash = fail

Knowing Apple, six months after launch they will release a version with flash for $399.
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

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Well, if Hitler doesn't want it, I don't want it, either. :monkey2
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

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Very nice!!!
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

I think the point was that Apple doesn't like the Flash programming and want to use something different.

Apple claims they don't include Flash because it is a security risk and a resource pig. HTML 5 will eventually make flash a lot less useful, but until it gets a wider adoption, we're going to be relying on Flash for a while yet.

The weird thing is, Adobe is making a way for Flash developers to make native iPhone apps with Flash CS5. However, for some reason, Apple won't allow a Flash plug-in for the iPhone. :banghead

An alternate solution to a Flash plug-in would be for Adobe to make their own browser with Flash support, but I'm sure Apple wouldn't allow that either.
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

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:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

Where did you find that?!?! That's great!!! :lol
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

A little more to the HTML5

February 1, 2010
IPad Can’t Play Flash Video, but It May Not Matter
By NICK BILTON
Where was the Flash?

Web designers — and a fair number of Web users — noticed something missing from Steven P. Jobs’s demonstration of the Apple iPad Wednesday. On some of the Web sites he displayed on the tablet computer’s screen, blank squares appeared where video or animated content would normally be displayed.

The holes, observers correctly assumed, meant that the iPad would not display videos, animations or any other features created using Flash, a type of multimedia software made by Adobe. Flash is one of the world’s most ubiquitous applications, appearing on 98 percent of all computers. YouTube videos run on it. It is what animates millions of graphics and advertisements on Web sites around the world. Adobe says the technology supports nearly 75 percent of video on the Web and 70 percent of online gaming sites.

But Apple’s support for Flash has been flagging. While Flash is present on nearly every Apple desktop and laptop computer, the company decided that Flash would not be used on the iPhone. Apple has argued that the Flash technology is too slow and unduly taxes laptops and netbooks. The company also has concerns over Flash’s vulnerability to viruses and other malware, as well as the way Flash-based content can voraciously consume battery life.

Adobe, unsurprisingly, disagrees — and has its own theory about why Apple remains hostile to Flash. Adrian Ludwig, group manager for the Flash platform product at Adobe, said he believed Apple’s opposition was a way for the company to control its iTunes system. “I think it’s pretty clear that Apple wants to regain control of the content consumers see online and the content Apple offers for their devices,” Mr. Ludwig said.

But concerns over the lack of Flash in the iPad and iPhone may be short-lived. Many online video sites have been experimenting with a new video format, called HTML5. Unlike Flash, which is a downloaded piece of software that can interact with a computer’s operating system, HTML5 works directly in a Web browser. And although this new video format does not work in all browsers, it will allow iPhone and iPad users to enjoy more Web-based video content.

In addition, the patents surrounding HTML5 are owned by a group of companies; Apple is a part of that group.

YouTube announced this year that it was testing the new format for select videos. In the past, YouTube videos were encoded in Flash, but were re-encoded for the iPhone.

The popular video-sharing site Vimeo.com is also experimenting with new platforms, based on comments from its online community. “We received a tremendous amount of feedback from our users saying that they wanted to have HTML5 as an option for their videos,” said Andrew Pile, vice president for product and development at Vimeo, an online video service. Mr. Pile does not see this new format replacing Vimeo’s Flash-video inventory, but will instead offer it as an option for its viewers.

Other video sites, including Blip.tv and Flickr.com, Yahoo’s photo and video-sharing Web site, also hope to start experimenting with alternatives to the Flash video platform in the coming year.

But migrating the entire Web to the new format will not be fast, or easy. Flash has all the advantages any entrenched technology enjoys and remains the standard multimedia language for a vast majority of developers and programmers. And while HTML5 may help standardize Web video, it does not necessarily address the needs of other types of online content created in Flash, including animated advertisements and online gaming.

Andrew Frank, research vice president at Gartner, believes it is impossible for Apple to maintain a walled garden around the content and advertising people consume on the iPad. Mr. Frank said, “I think we’re a long way from the iPad having enough influence on the advertising market to affect the decisions and process around online display advertising.”

But even if the standoff between Apple and Adobe continues, these advances in Web-based video mean that iPhone and iPad users will start to see fewer blank squares online.
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

Well, if Apple has invested in a patented technology directly competitive with Adobe/Flash, then that answers my question.
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

Hmm...seems that Apple has it all planned out. I've known about the Apple security issues with Flash for a while, but this is the first I've heard about them developing something of their own.
 
Re: The Apple Tablet "The iPad"

Hmm...seems that Apple has it all planned out. I've known about the Apple security issues with Flash for a while, but this is the first I've heard about them developing something of their own.

HTML5 isn't theirs, it's being worked on by a few companies. Similar to how the Blu-ray technology is owned by a variety of companies.

Either way, it'll make their users miss out on a lot of content. There are plenty of sites that won't get HTML5 for years.
 
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