The Official "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" movie thread *SPOILERS*

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Re: The Official "The Hobbit" movie thread *SPOILERS*

Then lets assume Azog is the listed 7ft. That's not much bigger than 6' 5". No chance he's 8-9 feet though sorry DF.

Uruks aren't typical orcs though because they're a cross between Goblins and Men. As far as Azog like I said stuff coming straight from Tolkien says he's a large Orc. I don't know for sure if he listed a size though. So there is room to play with and different drawings show him looking different. He's supposed to be kind of a freak even with what info is out there. So him looking different wasn't an issue for me.

One of those pictures I shared above I think sheds light on it. They are a different species of Goblins and they never venture above ground. There is going to be difference in the species as I said. Even with some of Tolkien's own words things are described differently. It's part of what makes the world great is the variation. These Goblins should be opposite of Azog as well since he's kind of like the Uruks. He's kind of perfect.

Obvious you don't. :lol Thankfully Jackson kind of follows Tolkien in creating a world variation. He was and I would venture to guess you're correct on why we didn't see concept art.

We're just different ends of the debate. I've taken what I've seen and read from both Jackson and Tolkien much different than you. :lol
 
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Honestly I couldn't care less, if Azog and Bolg are huge, then they are huge. I actually really like Azog, he's just one of those orcs that proves they *can* be superior to man. Just imagine if orcs were given more time to live and prosper. Imagine an army of Azog's.

"The age of man, is over. The time of the orc, has come" - Gothmog
 
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I liked Azog's look and will get a statue from Weta. :rock He's going to look awesome on the shelf.
 
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Found this on youtube, thought I should share it before it get's taken off.

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The Balrog laid dormant in darkness at the time of The Hobbit. It wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense to do that.
 
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They should have shown the Balrog at Moria.

Yes, they should have.

The Balrog laid dormant in darkness at the time of The Hobbit. It wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense to do that.

That's not correct. Dain sees The Balrog and that is the actual reason they do not try to regain Moria.
 
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Would have been great to just get a glimpse of the Balrog and then see the fear on the Dwarves faces. They awoke him..
 
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Thanks for that link.

Pity of Bilbo is also up. Great scene.
 
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Was it? I need to read those books again.

Yeah, it's in the appendices if I remember correctly.

Would have been great to just get a glimpse of the Balrog and then see the fear on the Dwarves faces. They awoke him..

Had a discussion with someone on TORn's board about this. We're hoping for something in the EE or a mention in like in FOTR in one of the next two movies. (The book scene with Saruman)
 
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Yes, they should have.



That's not correct. Dain sees The Balrog and that is the actual reason they do not try to regain Moria.

No he does not Josh...If Dain seen him they would have been in big trouble man...LOL...Dain kills Azog in the entrance and makes him the closest one to Moria...He glimpsed inside but deep inside his very young gut knows that Durin's Bane still lives and in those mines are a death trap. He basically tells Thrain "We fought for you but no way in hell we go back in there...You know what lies in wait buddy...nope...We won and were willing to fight for what happened to our King Thror but that's it...were outta here...see ya later...oh by the way good luck and take care"...LOL....Dain was a natural and true leader for a dwarf...able to fight with the best fearless if need be and also able to convey what was in his mind if need be and discuss matters no matter who he was talking to whether it was Thrain, Thorin, or the dark messenger of Mordor and died like a man defending the King of Dale to the end...I was really dissapointed when he didnt have any screen time in the Hobbit...sort of like not seeing Glorfindel in FOTR...they had other characters fulfill their roles
 
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From what I've read and understand its interpeted that he does see the Balrog. Just because he sees him doesn't mean the Balrog comes out and kills them all. Sorry man but every hardcore Tolkien person I know takes it that he saw the Balrog. So I'm quite confident saying he saw the Balrog far back in Moria.

“But we will not enter Khazad-dûm. You will not enter Khazad-dûm. Only I have looked through the shadow of the Gate. Beyond the shadow it waits for you still: Durin’s Bane. The world must change and some other power than ours must come before Durin’s Folk walk again in Moria”

Excerpt From: J. R. R. Tolkien. “The Lord of the Rings.” HarperCollins Publishers. iBooks.
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Check out this book on the iBookstore: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewBook?id=360642920
 
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From what I've read and understand its interpeted that he does see the Balrog. Just because he sees him doesn't mean the Balrog comes out and kills them all. Sorry man but every hardcore Tolkien person I know takes it that he saw the Balrog. So I'm quite confident saying he saw the Balrog far back in Moria.

“But we will not enter Khazad-dûm. You will not enter Khazad-dûm. Only I have looked through the shadow of the Gate. Beyond the shadow it waits for you still: Durin’s Bane. The world must change and some other power than ours must come before Durin’s Folk walk again in Moria”

Excerpt From: J. R. R. Tolkien. “The Lord of the Rings.” HarperCollins Publishers. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

Check out this book on the iBookstore: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewBook?id=360642920

To me no way does that dictate he saw it...He just basically got reminded of what was inside when he peeked in after all the adrenaline of battle...the darkness of Moria's entrance was a wake up call for Dain and his people...To me that's what it meant...He remembered what is inside and cared that his people stay alive...hell every hardcore Tolkien guy wants to see any Balrog whever they get a chance...LOL...that dont mean he saw it...no way
 
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Agree to disagree then. I think it's safe to say he did see the Balrog and no conversation I've seen has really said For sure he did not. Like many things it is open to interpretation I suppose. :peace
 
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Agree to disagree then. I think it's safe to say he did see the Balrog and no conversation I've seen has really said For sure he did not. Like many things it is open to interpretation I suppose. :peace

I will grant that Dain perhaps percieved the Balrog and or felt its presence...but I dont buy that he physically saw it...Dain got big dwarf goosebumps when he looked inside...LOL...remember every dwarf was consumed with battle and adreniline...Dain woke up and smelled the coffee and said hey wait a minute fellas...dont we know what's in there...What did we forget...Ugh, Ugh, Na, Na I aint goin in there..It's dark and spooky...LOL
 
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I don't know what to tell ya. I take it from that he saw it deep within Moria. There would be no reason not to go in if they didnt see it. if just feeling him was an issue Gimli would have said something. so i get people like yourself say he didnt but I feel quite confident saying that he saw him. Like I said like several things it can be open to interpretation. Which makes for a interesting discussion.
 
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