TSA gropes 6 year old! then drug tests her!

[Devil_666]

Damn, 6 years old and already a drug addict. Kids grow up so fast. One minute they're crawling around in diapers and the next thing you know they're smoking crack in airports.

 

[DiFabio]

Damn, 6 years old and already a drug addict. Kids grow up so fast. One minute they're crawling around in diapers and the next thing you know they're smoking crack in airports.

Don't forget looking to be groped. Probably for quick cash FOR their addiction.

 

[Darth Madden]

All suburban communities should be gated as well. Retinal scans required for entry.

I actually wouldn't mind that.

 

[Rotfish]

I wouldn't necessarily call it groping, but the drug test is absolute BS. Then again, who knows what depths people will sink to in an effort to transport X from Point A to Point B?
It's a crappy system for sure, we just haven't got any better alternatives. Same statement could be made for so many other things in life.

 

[devilof76]

So what do you suggest? Just let anyone on without checking them at all or their luggage? How about we get rid of passports too? Hell.....I'm game for letting anyone in our country! Let them do whatever! We can just take our chances.

I suggest using a rational security policy. What's in place now is not providing security. It's a farce, and people face the threat of severe penalty if they don't pretend it is.

btw.....I've had to be fingerprinted and had an FBI background check done since 9-11 for my job. I've also had several physicals.

Were they checking for explosives?

I kill spiders.

You should have seen the one I left sitting in the hallway as I went out the door to work tonight. Black, hairy, and it's legs could have hung over the edge of a half dollar. It was like a mini-tarantula.

 

[Darth Madden]

I suggest using a rational security policy. What's in place now is not providing security. It's a farce, and people face the threat of severe penalty if they don't pretend it is.

So just out of curiosity what would your policy be?

 

[DiFabio]

I never kill spiders. I capture them and throw them outside.

 

[devilof76]

So just out of curiosity what would your policy be?

Look up Israeli airport security.

 

[BadMoon]

Look up Israeli airport security.

I'm sure profiling would go real far with our "politically correct" society.

Israeli Security Measures:

Profiling. With the exception of people on its terrorist watch list, the U.S. Transportation and Security Administration treats all travelers about the same. Everyone goes through the same machines and shows the same documents, only receiving additional checks if the regular procedures turn up a problem. Israeli security, by contrast, separates travelers into two groups before they ever get to an x-ray machine. All passengers waiting to check in speak to a polyglot agent. The agents, most of whom are female, ask a series of questions, looking for nerves or inconsistent statements. While the vast majority of travelers pass the question and answer session and have a pretty easy time going through security—there are no full-body scans, for example— between 2 percent and 5 percent of travelers get singled out for additional screening. The exact selection criteria aren't publicly available, but ethnicity is probably a consideration. (Former U.S. Health and Human Service Secretary Donna Shalala was interrogated in July, presumably because of her Lebanese heritage.)

If you think being selected for additional screening in U.S. airports is tough, you obviously haven't faced an Israeli interrogator. Secondary screening can involve hours of questioning. Agents have been known to click through all of a traveler's digital photographs. Body searches are common, and agents usually take luggage apart one item at a time. Israeli agents confiscated all the luggage of Indiana University professor Heather Bradshaw and kept it for three days.

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There's more to Israeli airport security than the secondary-screening selection process. Officials think of passengers as passing through a series of concentric circles, with increasing scrutiny as they get closer to boarding the plane. Agents also pay close attention to the parts of the airport that passengers don't frequent. They monitor the fences around the airport's perimeter with cameras at all times, and radar systems check for intrusions when the weather prevents the cameras from seeing. Security officials subject all vehicles to a weight sensor, a trunk x-ray, and an undercarriage scan.

Israeli researchers are developing technology that could ease racial profiling concerns, like innovative check-in kiosks to replace the human selectors. When a traveler steps up to the machine, it senses his body temperature, blood pressure, and heart rate, just as in a polygraph exam. At some point during the interaction, the kiosk presents a statement that would elicit a reaction from a would-be terrorist. It might instruct him to see an agent, or just remind the passenger that flight security is everyone's responsibility. If the flyer's vital signs shift, he would be subject to secondary screening. But while officials in the U.S., Europe, and Canada are considering the high-tech solution, Israeli officials haven't shown much interest. They think that security risks at Israeli airports require human profilers.

Civil rights concerns notwithstanding, Israeli security screeners can make a claim that their U.S. counterparts probably can't—they've actually caught a terrorist red-handed. When the girlfriend of Jordanian terrorist Nizar Hindawi tried to carry a bomb onto an El Al flight out of London's Heathrow airport in 1986, security agents working for the Israeli airline and using Israeli screening methods successfully identified her as a potential threat and foiled the plot.

 

[mr.thrifty]

I'm sure Teemu would be just fine with those measures^^

 

[BadMoon]

I'm sure Teemu would be just fine with those measures^^

Exactly! This part is my favorite:

If you think being selected for additional screening in U.S. airports is tough, you obviously haven't faced an Israeli interrogator. Secondary screening can involve hours of questioning. Agents have been known to click through all of a traveler's digital photographs. Body searches are common, and agents usually take luggage apart one item at a time. Israeli agents confiscated all the luggage of Indiana University professor Heather Bradshaw and kept it for three days.

My point is, I don't think anyone can get it right in todays wishy washy society. Not to mention in a day and age when people will kill themselves and likely blow up their children all in the name of religion. Also, you only hear about these "extreme cases". There were 9 million domestic flights in 2010. Out of those (yes millions) of flights how many issues like this received the national new's attention? Maybe a handful at best.

I'm more worried about the pervert filming this to be honest. Was it the parent? That would bother me even more I think.

 

[mr.thrifty]

Exactly! This part is my favorite:

If you think being selected for additional screening in U.S. airports is tough, you obviously haven't faced an Israeli interrogator. Secondary screening can involve hours of questioning. Agents have been known to click through all of a traveler's digital photographs. Body searches are common, and agents usually take luggage apart one item at a time. Israeli agents confiscated all the luggage of Indiana University professor Heather Bradshaw and kept it for three days.

I see groping..... *waits* for dev76's justification....

My point is, I don't think anyone can get it right in todays wishy washy society. Not to mention in a day and age when people will kill themselves and likely blow up their children all in the name of religion. Also, you only hear about these "extreme cases". There were 9 million domestic flights in 2010. Out of those (yes millions) of flights how many issues like this received the national new's attention? Maybe a handful at best.

Everyone's got a better idea.....

 

[BadMoon]

Everyone's got a better idea.....

I usually agree with most of what Devil posts. Not on this issue.

Personally I like Teemu's plan to just not fly. I hope more people adopt this approach. That way I can fly in peace and quiet and hopefully avoid the 300 pound gorilla that is taking up two seats and only paying for one. Or better yet no more screaming kids.

 

[The Ween]

Exactly! This part is my favorite:



My point is, I don't think anyone can get it right in todays wishy washy society. Not to mention in a day and age when people will kill themselves and likely blow up their children all in the name of religion. Also, you only hear about these "extreme cases". There were 9 million domestic flights in 2010. Out of those (yes millions) of flights how many issues like this received the national new's attention? Maybe a handful at best.

I'm more worried about the pervert filming this to be honest. Was it the parent? That would bother me even more I think.

 

[The Ween]

Soon it will be so ex_____ve to fly, all this will be moot anyway.

 

[BadMoon]

Soon it will be so ex_____ve to fly, all this will be moot anyway.

That's the way it used to be. And you know what? Service back then was top notch. All the young hot females were working on the planes and providing excellent customer service. People actually enjoyed flying.

In all seriousness though when flying was more exclusive the service was WAY better. Now that any idiot can afford a ticket look what happened. Service goes down, no more hotties working (most are gay men or women over 40), and now we have all of these extra charges.

Take the extra charges away, bump ticket prices up by about $200, and bring the hotties and service back. All will be right with the world.

 

[devilof76]

This is my favorite part:

While the vast majority of travelers pass the question and answer session and have a pretty easy time going through security—there are no full-body scans, for example— between 2 percent and 5 percent of travelers get singled out for additional screening.

So body searches are common in secondary searches among an infinitessimal proportion of passengers. The rest are treated as non-threats, which is my contention with American protocol--everyone is treated as an equal threat and they aren't. It's cowardice to ignore the fact that there is a distinct profile for those who would attempt a terrorist act, and it's immoral to subject those who do not even remotely fit the profile to the equivalent scrutiny when that scrutiny demands a gross invasion of physical privacy.

I'm sure profiling would go real far with our "politically correct" society

The cause of the problem in the first place, ironically. Evil is impotent, and is only capable of getting away with as much as tolerance permits. What's even uglier is that 'tolerance' is a facade for the bigotry that exists towards the culture whom the evil has targeted. The bigots preach equality to disguise their sympathy with the aggressors motives, and they know damned well the value of abetting those motives with this nonsense. If they can convince you that the only way to protect yourself from those who want your life is to surrender your self-respect, it's just a matter of time before you'll surrender the rest.

The Israelis are still cogent enough to understand that there's no such thing as a choice between the two. To choose between pride and survival is to sacrifice both; which is pure cowardice, and if you value your own life whatsoever, patently immoral.

 

[BadMoon]

This is my favorite part:
So body searches are common in secondary searches among an infinitessimal proportion of passengers. The rest are treated as non-threats, which is my contention with American protocol--everyone is treated as an equal threat and they aren't. It's cowardice to ignore the fact that there is a distinct profile for those who would attempt a terrorist act, and it's immoral to subject those who do not even remotely fit the profile to the equivalent scrutiny when that scrutiny demands a gross invasion of physical privacy.

Again, 9 million domestic flights last year. 9 MILLION. Just to be clear MILLIONS.

I would wager that the same minute number of domestic passengers 2 to 5% were subject to pat downs. I would rather be in the 2 to 5% of passengers that gets patted down then the 2 to 5% that is interrogated for hours along with full body searches and them going through all my ____.

Just looked it up. Less then 3% of domestic passengers have been "patted down" since the new implementation of policy.

 

[devilof76]

But the remaining 91% of Israeli passengers are never subject to full body scans. The criteria in an American airport for additional screening is refusal to submit to exactly that, which is completely arbitrary. How hard is it going to be to devise a way to smuggle a means of hijacking the plane that evades the body scanner?

The Israeli criteria actually targets people who might be a terrorist. That doesn't sound just a little more rational to you?

 

[BadMoon]

But the remaining 91% of Israeli passengers are never subject to full body scans. The criteria in an American airport for additional screening is refusal to submit to exactly that, which is completely arbitrary. How hard is it going to be to devise a way to smuggle a means of hijacking the plane that evades the body scanner?

The Israeli criteria actually targets people who might be a terrorist. That doesn't sound just a little more rational to you?

Personally I see nothing wrong with the scans. So I won't even bother debating that. You either agree or disagree with them and there is no changing others opinions. You also have the ability to do what Teemu does and simply not fly. If you don't like it you have other forms of transportation that may fit your needs.

Without knowing what their criteria is I can't answer that. Targeting would be potential terrorists would be nice in a perfect world. However, unless they got some miniority report ____ going on in their country I question the process.

Can you picture the good reverend douche...I mean Sharpton the first time an African American was subject to such an interrogation? Holy hell! ____ would hit the fan! Again everyone is FAR to sensitive to implement such a plan (at least in this country). Thanks a lot Bin Laden!