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Re: Vader has left the building!!

Gruson has every right to complain. If they are going to give the box a light-up feature, they might as well make it look as it did in the movies (ESB, ROTJ). Otherwise, why bother? And what did Lucas force to be changed on the Attackus Tie pilot?? Doesn't he have enough money already to not care, as long as it looks good? And it's going to sell out anyway, so why doesn't he just let them make it look as screen accurate as possible????
 
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,..and wassup with this?,...somebody posted this picture over at rs.,, :sick :sick :sick
,..where's vader boots?,..looks like cheap shoes!,.. :horror

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WTF??? Even Medicom's 12" has boots that go all the way around.
 
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Ok, here's proof that there is something wrong with Sideshow's Vader. His helmet is definitely flaring out too wide from the top; that I know for sure.

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Sideshow Vader courtesy of Gruson

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Medicom's Vader

Now which one is more recognizable as the Vader we have all known and loved these past 20 years?
 
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JustinLuck said:
Gruson has every right to complain.

Didn't say he didn't. It was just funny. :)

JustinLuck said:
If they are going to give the box a light-up feature, they might as well make it look as it did in the movies (ESB, ROTJ). Otherwise, why bother?

Uh, because there were no lights on the costume in ANH.

As for the boots, are you serious? You don't know why they are like that?
 
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Mini-Rock said:
As for the boots, are you serious? You don't know why they are like that?

Let me guess. Mixed Media? Well how did they get the rest of his clothes on?
 
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YIKES! That can't be ANH Vader. The shoulder pads are too big! Chain hangs too low. And, what, no red lenses? The inside of the helmet is also white. What up with that? The dome is off too.

Overall, it is an unfair comparison. The SS Vader is a museum quality piece. The Medicom Vader, although a great little piece, is just a toy and a completely inferior product compared to the SS Vader, Attakus Vader's, and GG Vader. It's just not in the same league...sorry. :)

So, the answer to your question, Justin, would be the SS Vader hands down.
 
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I am not comparing their costumes, only their masks. There had been speculation that since Sideshow's version doesn't match the ANH mask, that they had been influenced by Lucas to make it look like the ROTS version. Well, the Medicom version is said to be shaped to look like it did in ROTS. And as you can see from the pics, the proportions the Sideshow and Medicom versions are worlds apart. I have yet to find a Vader mask / helmet that looks anything like Sideshow's.
 
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Sure, there may be inaccuracies but I have to tell you that Sideshow's Vader just feels right.

The issues with the lights don't both me at all... if I remember correctly only the belt lights up in ANH. The fact that they threw in the chest plate lighting makes it more complete. Maybe not screen accurate but at least more complete.

Plus, if I believe in Star Wars lore that Vader's chest lights and saber tended to be Crimson, which is a red color that leans toward purple. Very hard to capture on film let alone in a small statue.

The boots are accurate... even the original Kenner figure from '77 had boots with shin guards strapped onto the from.

Believe me, I'm glad we are holding Sideshow accountable for their product... but there is no way to put Vader into the minus column. It is a great piece that is going to have even non-fans very interested in our favorite collectible company.
 
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JustinLuck said:
Ok, here's proof that there is something wrong with Sideshow's Vader. His helmet is definitely flaring out too wide from the top; that I know for sure.
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Medicom's Vader

Now which one is more recognizable as the Vader we have all known and loved these past 20 years?

Again, that Medicom is not representative of ANH Vader. ALWAYS check the widow's peak. That's the #1 most distinguishing feature between the ANH Vader and the other 3. I think the SS version is WAY more accurate than that. The shoulder bell armor is just completely wrong.

OK guys, I got my Vader in this morning. The Fedex guy got here bright and early.

Here is the image from ANH that I will be comparing the figure to. It is right out of the film and is the EXACT pose this Vader is taken from:

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Pros
1. Size. I love the 1/4 format simply for the "presence" that a single figure gets. This piece is very large, and gives a nice texture to the mixed media.

2. Vader's leather gloves and suit are extremely well done.

3. The blood red lenses are in full effect, and they are awesome.

4. The armor is also nicely done, and the boots are definitely not a concern. There is no way that you can see more than the front of them anyway.

5. This is the best Vader on the market today, IMO. It really blows the Attakus out of the water. I'm more and more convinced that sculpted pieces just aren't for me. I LOVE the mixed media format. Kong v. Rex is the only fully sculpted piece I've gotten in a while that even comes close to SS 1/4 format for me personally.

6. I can't wait for the SW 1/4 announcement from Toyfair!:banana I'm buying every SW 1/4 released.

Cons

1. The helmet- we've been over this ad nauseum, so I'll let my previous comments speak for themselves. Nobody wants to bore themselves to read what I think about it.

2. The paintjob- I wish there was more gray on the helmet, but I'm not going to get it repainted. If CKing can commission an entirely new helmet, then I'll get it painted with the nose bridge gray. I would also use a different paint scheme mixing black/gray throughout.

3. The helmet size- MUCH too small. I'm 100% convinced of it. Look at the picture I posted above. Compare the size of the chestbox with the size of the helmet. The box and the face mask are roughly the same size. On the SS figure, the box size is significantly larger than the mask. The helmet also comes closer to the shoulders in the film. The SS version doesn't even come close. Granted the shoulders are more relaxed onscreen than in the SS piece, but there's no doubt that the helmet should be bigger.

4. The chest armor. WHY is this not painted fully GRAY? Look at the picture above. It is completely and totally gray. The SS armor has alternating gray and black stripes.

(*Important Note* The picture from the film above is obviously a mirrored image. Note that the white switch on the chestbox is on the right side instead of the left. The SS figure is accurate in that regard. There are so many examples in SW where Lucas got lazy and just flipped the image. This is one of those times. Why he didn't fix it in the DVD edition is beyond me. He fixed the Imperial officer's pin that was flipped in one scene. You SW fans out there know what I'm talking about. This also reinforces my earlier point to Josh that Lucas doesn't know a damn thing about the details in his films. There are much better examples, but that's a major tangent from this discussion).

5. Gruson's chest box comments from earlier are dead on. It's purple for some unknown reason. A simple red filter could have easily fixed this.

6. The cape- It is a bit too large, but not overly bad. In all the pictures I've seen, the people just didn't position it in the correct way. You need to smooth down the sides so that it doesn't look so puffy. Gruson's idea of bunching it up slightly towards the back is also a good one. I'll take pictures of my cape later today, but I got it to look great!

7. Minor nitpick, but I thought this might be funny- Vader's ANH saber has 7 black grips and not 6. The MR version is wrong also, so SS shouldn't feel bad for missing this. I don't care about it at all, but I just wanted to show how much incorrect info is provided to the licensees from Lucasfilm.

Final thought: While it's not perfect, it's better than what other companies are putting out. Comparing this piece to the GG version is almost laughable. That thing is wrong in just about every possible way. I can't wait to see the rest of my favorites done like this.

I just hope that SS pays better attention to the details in the future. The details are what really make the various pieces for me. Some people may call it nitpicking, but I don't. Looking at a detail from ANH and knowing that I have an accurate representation of that in my home just puts a smile on my face. There are so many SW products today, that getting the details correct is what will really make the 1/4 line stand out.
 
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Well said Elwood.

You can point out issues with a piece and still enjoy it.

To try and pretend these issues do not exist is just funny IMO. They are all very obvious but as Elwood said, the Sideshow piece is better than what other companies have released.

I really hope Sideshow will listen to our comments and pay more attention to detail with the rest of the PF line.
 
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Looking at that pic and the pics on the SW OT Chronicles it looks to be pretty close. Not perfect mind you but pretty damn close to it IMO. The chest box and face mask seem to be about the same size from the pics. Some of your nitpicks Elwood I just find laughable because I think in any product if you look hard enough you will find things. Nothing is perfect I don't give a flying rats whazoo who makes it something will be off. So the perfect piece I think you and others like you want doesn't exist or ever will. Well, not without paying like 5k-10k for it. I understand wanting something as close as it can get but I truly believe SS has done that and that has nothing to do with being a so called "SS Homer".
 
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Gruson said:
To try and pretend these issues do not exist is just funny IMO. They are all very obvious but as Elwood said, the Sideshow piece is better than what other companies have released.

Gruson maybe some people simply just don't see them. To say it's laughable to say that people are pretending they aren't there is rude. Some people may just honestly think that it's pretty close while others don't. I find it laughable that "we" those that don't see it are wrong because we don't see it, and those that "see" something are the correct ones. :rolleyes:

I agree on the chest box light color it does seem purple for whatever reason that's a total miss. Why it happened hell I don't know but it did. Will that ruin the piece for me not a freaking chance. The helm appears to be off a little based on the pics but nothing that I see being major. As I said it's not perfect but some of these things are just so freaking nit picky like the Vader saber having 7 not 6 black grips.

Gruson said:
I really hope Sideshow will listen to our comments and pay more attention to detail with the rest of the PF line.

SS is nailing virtually all the detail but they will listen and try to catch more I think we all know that.. Some will be missed that's what happens when humans are involved. I bet if we go and check the CM pieces we could find things that are really wrong. As a matter of fact I can think of one right now. The Aragorn piece shown at SDCC didn't have the writing down the middle of Anduril making the sword Nasril.
 
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jlcmsu said:
Some of your nitpicks Elwood I just find laughable because I think in any product if you look hard enough you will find things.

I'm so glad you don't work for SS. Yeah, you should have to pay $5,000 to get a Vader that has chest armor painted gray instead of black and gray.:rolleyes: That's one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on these forums. Did you notice that I wrote a positive review?

I think Stevie Wonder could see some of the things I pointed out when comparing the statue to the image from the film.

Josh's response to any sort of criticism about any sort of product he might happen to own:

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I definitely get a vibe on this forum that the majority here love SSC's products unconditionally and object to any constructive criticism even when it's legitimately warranted. I think that we all deserve to hold high standards. Many of the problems with the piece aren't issues of cost to manufacture. They are simply design flaws. Helmet proportions, mask proportions, size of cape, choice of transparent colors on chest box, shades of gray on chest armor...these are all issues with design.

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elwood49 said:
I'm so glad you don't work for SS. Yeah, you should have to pay $5,000 to get a Vader that has chest armor painted gray instead of black and gray.:rolleyes: That's one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on these forums. Did you notice that I wrote a positive review?

Dude whatever. :rolleyes: Stupid? All I said that to get a perfect Vader that everyone keeps expecting is going to cost an arm and a leg. So to expect something that costs $300 bucks to be totally perfect is silly. If that makes me stupid well then so be it. I noticed that it was a positive review I was simply talking about some of the silly nitpicks like the 7 black grips vs 6. I'd be most folks (SW fans) wouldn't know that if you asked them. As far as his chest armor looking at the SW Chronicles OT Book that CK told me I should get his chest armor is grey and black. :)

elwood49 said:
I think Stevie Wonder could see some of the things I pointed out when comparing the statue to the image from the film.

I didn't say it was totally accurate did I? I said it was close but it wasn't perfect.

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Josh's response to any sort of criticism about any sort of product he might happen to own:

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I choose to talk about what I like about a piece I own instead of looking to nit pick it to death because every pieces has an issue or two. Sorry that about my way of doing things bothers you so much but that's me and if you don't like it well tuff :wacky That ain't changing no matter what!

Elwood;)
 
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Golly gee, that's the perfect Vader. It's exactly right! :rolleyes: :D

Actually, if it wasn't for this thread and some others like it, I wouldn't know there are any differences between the Vader figure and the film version. I didn't even know there was any difference in Vader from EP IV - VI. Personally, I appreciate all the feedback both positive and negative because that brings to my attention things that otherwise I wouldn't know. That being said, I acknowledged the stated issues with this figure and humbly proclaim that I personally don't care. I like it! :cool: :D :blissy. I wonder what percentage of customer's are like me and don't know any better with regards to the differences and what percentage are die hards and notice the differences?

PS. Would any of you that received Vader be able to tell me the outer dimensions of the shipping box? Please and thank you!
 
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Wow, awesome pictures all!! Vader looks frikkin' awesome!!! :rock

I dont understand though, why they didnt make the entire boot and why the lights are purple instead of red. I mean, how hard can it be to have a tiny piece of red plastic instead of a tiny piece of purple plastic?
But overall, this piece rocks!! Too bad I had to cancel my exclusive because of lack of funds :(
Maybe some day I will have enough to buy me a Vader....
 
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Fritz said:
Actually, if it wasn't for this thread and some others like it, I wouldn't know there are any differences between the Vader figure and the film version. I didn't even know there was any difference in Vader from EP IV - VI. That being said, I acknowledged the stated issues with this figure and humbly proclaim that I personally don't care. I like it! :cool: :D :blissy. I wonder what percentage of customer's are like me and don't know any better with regards to the differences and what percentage are die hards and notice the differences?

I always noticed some differences in Vader but not to the degree that I now know about after looking a lots of pics and being pointed out to the SW Chronicles and VG (Thnx CK!!) For the most part the statue seems to be pretty damn close to ANH and there are some minor issues I agree with those out there. Like you though Fritz and I'll bold it in the quote. I like and don't really give a damn. :) It's got issues SS knows and will do better on the next set of figures so I won't get my panties in a bunch over it. I would have to think most SW fans don't take the time to know every detail of Vader's Costume.
 
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