Vice Presidential Debate Tonight - Biden vs. Palin.... DING, DING, DING

[ProgMatinee]

I also laugh at the idea that by posting the truth I somehow weakened my position.

I guess you would have edited the info to suit your point?

 

[barbelith]

Barb, you're so cute. While Fannie Mae was "privatized" its actually still steered by Congress through OFHEO and HUD which are Federal Agencies.

Stop it, my sides are hurting! You can cite all the regulatory oversight you want, but it doesn't change the fact that we're looking at two companies that until last month were privately owned and operated.

 

[The Josh]

And Palin will provide valuable advice to McCain on energy policy. Both are significant issues for our future.

She will? I've yet to hear her even be able to understand the issue. Her idea of energy policy is drill. Thats it.

Going by the polls and electoral maps, it looks fairly wrapped up in favour of President Obama, 338 to 185 with only NC still a tie. It would thrill me to no end if NC ends up blue.

It'd take a major disaster for McCain to come back from this deficit. Don't want to count the chickens too soon, but looks like America is finally sick of the republican BS. :chew We'll see if the democratic BS works any better.

God I hope so.

 

[Mesa]

And that was silly but understandable. If she is going for second in command she should be able handle herself and the public shouldn't be feeling sorry for her just because she is a woman. She strikes me as a tough cookie anyway. Maggie Thatcher was well able for her male couterparts.

I think there was another debate where Bush (the first one) talked condescendingly to a woman candidate (Geraldine Ferara (sp???)) and it was viewed veery negatively by the public, so now candidates are very careful of bullying or insulting a female candidate.

I may be wrong on the specific individuals invovled, but the idea is the same.

 

[barbelith]

I also laugh at the idea that by posting the truth I somehow weakened my position.

You weakened your position by lying. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac only became federal institutions last month. Prior to that they were privately owned enterprises for 40 years.

Perhaps you meant to type "have a special relationship with the government" but somehow hit send instead?

 

[ProgMatinee]

Stop it, my sides are hurting! You can cite all the regulatory oversight you want, but it doesn't change the fact that we're looking at two companies that until last month were privately owned and operated.

Ignorance is bliss I guess, until you ^^^^ up and then you can just blame it on someone else.

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[ProgMatinee]

You weakened your position by lying. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac only became federal institutions last month. Prior to that they were privately owned enterprises for 40 years.

Perhaps you meant to type "have a special relationship with the government" but somehow hit send instead?

BS. They are "owned" by private parties but are essentially "run" by Congress.

Since the 90s the government essentially told them who to lend to. Thats not really private is it?

I'm not lying, nor am I calling you a liar. You're just grossly misinformed, dear.

 

[barbelith]

Ignorance is bliss I guess

I'll have to take your word for it. Next time try quoting something that doesn't prove you wrong.

 

[LChinoz]

Vote McCain: He is all mavericky and stuff.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I'll have to take your word for it. Next time try quoting something that doesn't prove you wrong.

Evs. Good look on the retirement plan with your knowledge of economics, hope you find a rich man.

 

[IrishJedi]

Evs. Good look on the retirement plan with your knowledge of economics, hope you find a rich man.

Wait... barbelith is a chick?

 

[ProgMatinee]

Wait... barbelith is a chick?

I'm sure he is. Barb...lilith, lack of understanding of economics...must be.

 

[barbelith]

Good look on the retirement plan with your knowledge of economics, hope you find a rich man.

It's not an economic issue. It's a simple fact. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were privately held enterprises until last month. You are wrong. You can spin and spin and spin and you'll still be wrong.

I don't disagree they held a unique spot thanks to the regulatory framework in which they operated and the implied guarantee for mortgages but that's not what you said, and neither does it change the fact they were privately held enterprises.

 

[Mesa]

What does she actually know about energy beyond being lucky enough to live in a state where she can use a windfall profits tax for socialist wealth redistribution?

Sorry, I'm a few pages back, but...

We got an Obama supporteer questioning SOCIALIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION? Isn't that what Obama's main plan is when he proposes tax intcreases on those making $250k or more?
And isn't obama's plan all about increasing SOCIAL programs and welfare, where that money comes from my tax dollars?

Obama = Socialist
Bail Out = Socialist
Socialism = Failure

 

[barbelith]

We got an Obama supporteer questioning SOCIALIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION?

I was speaking ironically. It's funny the McCain/Palin folks are glossing over her socialist take on Alaskan oil all while hammering away at Obama over a "socialized health care" plan he doesn't even propose.

Socialism = Failure

I hope the US military doesn't hear that - they'll all be out of work!

 

[ProgMatinee]

And I never made a claim that they weren't held privately. I said the direction they were guiding in was handed down by the government.

 

[LChinoz]

Sorry, I'm a few pages back, but...

We got an Obama supporteer questioning SOCIALIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION? Isn't that what Obama's main plan is when he proposes tax intcreases on those making $250k or more?
And isn't obama's plan all about increasing SOCIAL programs and welfare, where that money comes from my tax dollars?

Obama = Socialist
Bail Out = Socialist
Socialism = Failure

No. And if you think Bail Out = Socialism then is McCain a socialist for supporting it?

 

[barbelith]

I said the direction they were guiding in was handed down by the government.

Actually, you called them federal programs.

 

[DarthNeil]

Sorry, I'm a few pages back, but...

We got an Obama supporteer questioning SOCIALIST WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION? Isn't that what Obama's main plan is when he proposes tax intcreases on those making $250k or more?
And isn't obama's plan all about increasing SOCIAL programs and welfare, where that money comes from my tax dollars?

Obama = Socialist
Bail Out = Socialist
Socialism = Failure

Hi. I'm Canadian. We're a socialist country. Failure?... I don't think so.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Actually, you called them federal programs.

GSE= Government sponsored enterprise they were privately owned and publicly chartered. When speaking about decision making as I was, I think its appropriate to call them public entities.