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No. And if you think Bail Out = Socialism then is McCain a socialist for supporting it?

Bingo! He just happens to be slightly less socialist than Obama.

Both candidates want to point the ship in the same (wrong) direction. Obama just wants to push the engines at full speed, where McCain will settle for normal cruising speed.
 
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were private enterprises???

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

And yeah. Palin's a socialist. Her oil policy is as bad as any Earth First monkey.
 
You're right, I'm sure having a daughter and his wife killed right before Christmas and right before being sworn in as State senator is something he has gotten over and just uses it in the debate and interveiws for political gains...:rolleyes:

Ive no doubt he would get emotional as anyone would if they talked about such an event at length....
But he went in and out of the moment too quickly to be believable.
He also lies about his blue collar roots as well as being a plagiarist.
He is a career politician after all, so call me jaded.
 
:wave Hi. I'm Canadian. We're a socialist country. Failure?... I don't think so.

Sorry, meant no offense to you and yours.

I just think it's a BIG mistake to take US' free market capitalist economy towards a socialistic one. But too late for that now. Plus, it was a necessary bitter pill to swallow after greedy inidivudals on both sides and lack of oversight allowed the current situation to occurr.

I do also blame a socialistic stance "Let's force banks to give loans to poor people who can't afford homes and mandate it by the government" also was a BIG factor in getting us into trouble.

The US doesn't have the infrastructure in place to make socialistic ideas and efforts work for any length of time. TOO much corruption from within.
 
BS. They are "owned" by private parties but are essentially "run" by Congress.

Since the 90s the government essentially told them who to lend to. Thats not really private is it?

Nope. And this is essentially the kind of business climate that existed in Weimar, as well as Nazi Germany. Owned 'privately' on paper, but in reality, controlled by the state.
 
Did you just admit to not being perfect? I am shocked. Shooooooooocked!!!!:monkey5:monkey5:monkey5

:lol :lol :lol

Like Tony Stark, my personal list of character defects is quite long... and mostly public. :eek:

Wait, I just name-dropped again, didn't I. :banghead

:lol BEER TIME!... :banana
 
That doesn't change the fact that the "self-sustaining economy" myth is an abject lie. The profit motive means everything that happened would still have happened.

Nope. The fact that the bailout bill passed means that everything that happened would happen.
 
:wave Hi. Canadian still here.

I'd like to go back to the concept that socialism is a failure. According to the Washington Post (By Linda J. Bilmes and Joseph E. Stiglitz
Sunday, March 9, 2008)

There is no such thing as a free lunch, and there is no such thing as a free war. The Iraq adventure has seriously weakened the U.S. economy, whose woes now go far beyond loose mortgage lending. You can't spend $3 trillion -- yes, $3 trillion -- on a failed war abroad and not feel the pain at home.

According to the NCCP (National Center for Children in Poverty)

Nationwide, 18% of children live in families that are officially considered poor (13 million children).
Across the states, child poverty rates range from 7% in New Hampshire to 27% in Mississippi.

and according to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation on August 26th 2008

The federal government today announced the number of Americans living without health insurance, with nearly 46 million people in the United States going without any health coverage.

All of this and more (so much more) and you think that the last remaining superpower in the world has its priorities in check? Socialism a disease?-- We're far from perfect up here in the Great White North but I never have to fear about not being able to have myself or a member of my family taken care of in a medical emergency.

I'll end with somthing that we can all realize-- How many threads in the commerce section have been started by US collectors who desperately need to raise funds due to a sudden medical emergency for them or a member of their family that they don't have healthcare to cover it?

You won't see me having to start a thread like that. Before you treat socialism as a dirty/scary word like the McCarthyistic witchhunts of the past maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror.

Here's the Canadian that we recently voted as the best ever...

Tommy Douglas-- He brought in universal healthcare.

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Just thoughts from an interested sideline observer.
 
Socialism isn't something you can necessarilly look at today and say "oh, thats better than what we have."

Just as an admittedly small and irrelevant example, what toy companies or properties for toys are operating out of socialist countries? Underwear manufactures? Electronic inventions? Medical discoveries? Car producers? There are some, but they pale in comparison to capitalist societies.
 
Before you treat socialism as a dirty/scary word like the McCarthyistic witchhunts of the past maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror.

I treat it like Salem 1692. Socialism has more in common with Pietist Calvinism than 1950's American paranoia.
 
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