Vice Presidential Debate Tonight - Biden vs. Palin.... DING, DING, DING

[customizerwannabe]

I really don't get the Ayers stuff. Obama has had little real contact with him over the years and the guy is now a highly respected academic who hasn't run around blowing stuff up for 40 years.

You gotta be kidding!! Respected by who? ^^^^ that piece of ^^^^!!!! Terrorist once...terrorist always. Time doesn't erase the title.

 

[barbelith]

You gotta be kidding!! Respected by who?

He's a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and highly respected in the academic and social arenas for his work on educational issues.

Terrorist once...terrorist always. Time doesn't erase the title.

Too bad for George Washington and Nelson Mandela!

 

[Spartan Rex]

He's a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and highly respected in the academic and social arenas for his work on educational issues.


Too bad for George Washington and Nelson Mandela!

...and the intellectual dishonesty continues.

Respected by who? You?
Other america hating academia? Plenty of those teaching in filled classrooms.




Heres a mug shot of the punk you put in the same category as George Washington.
Real founding father material.

"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."

''I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough.'' -- spoke during an interview on September 11th


He's got more in common with Bin Laden then Washington.
Tell me barbelith, and please answer for all to see, was the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon an act of evil?
Yes or No.

 

[barbelith]

Respected by who?

Respected by his peers.

Other america hating academia?

I know you're indoctrinated by your talk radio echo chamber but this sort of characterization is beyond ridiculous. To say nothing of "intellectually dishonest" to borrow your phrasing. Or will you be attacking Sarah Palin over Joe Vogler next? Surely she must hate America if she was associating with AIP?

Heres a mug shot of the punk you put in the same category as George Washington.

So? You can't actually formulate a cogent argument, can you?

He's got more in common with Bin Laden then Washington.

Ayers and Washington both acted in violence against their government.
bin Laden and Washington both killed people; Ayers didn't.

Tell me barbelith, and please answer for all to see, was the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon an act of evil?

I don't believe in evil. Do you consider the Pentagon a military target?

 

[LChinoz]

https://www.gallup.com/poll/111004/Gallup-Daily-9Point-Obama-Lead-Ties-Campaign-High.aspx

Obama 51% to McCain 42%

This takes into account the debate, which clearly did not help McCain. I still think anyone can win this election, but Obama definitely has the edge if the election isn't close.

Do the American people really want to hear about Ayers and Keating, or do they want to hear about how to fix the crisis we are in? The polls suggest negative campaigning is not helping the GOP.

https://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/07/cnn-polls-new-obama-gains-in-battleground-states/

Obama expanding his lead in battleground states. Again, these polls mean little. But the trend definitely is good for Obama supporters.

No matter how you look at it, at this point, McCain is in trouble.

 

[wofford29]

Out of curiousity, and as a disclaimer, I support neither candidate, but seeing as how Obama is exhalted as the messiah, I'll pose this question to his supporters. When he gets into office, and he fails to live up to, well he's not really said anything he'd do yet, but when he fails to live up to I guess his "hope" message. Will you honestly come out and admit he's a failure, or are you planning your "but he's got to undue Bush's mistakes" arguements?


For the McCain siders. If he get's into office, and does in fact continue more of the same, will you admit his failures or will you continue to defend Bush and say more of the same is good and McCain is delivering?

 

[The Ween]

Out of curiousity, and as a disclaimer, I support neither candidate, but seeing as how Obama is exhalted as the messiah, I'll pose this question to his supporters. When he gets into office, and he fails to live up to, well he's not really said anything he'd do yet, but when he fails to live up to I guess his "hope" message. Will you honestly come out and admit he's a failure, or are you planning your "but he's got to undue Bush's mistakes" arguements?


For the McCain siders. If he get's into office, and does in fact continue more of the same, will you admit his failures or will you continue to defend Bush and say more of the same is good and McCain is delivering?

I'm betting they'll both blame the other side for holding them back, which can be true in some cases, but not all.

 

[barbelith]

Out of curiousity, and as a disclaimer, I support neither candidate, but seeing as how Obama is exhalted as the messiah

I don't think Obama is exalted as the messiah by anyone but straw men propped up by conservatives.

When he gets into office, and he fails to live up to, well he's not really said anything he'd do yet, but when he fails to live up to I guess his "hope" message. Will you honestly come out and admit he's a failure, or are you planning your "but he's got to undue Bush's mistakes" arguements?

Depends on the issue. All presidents make mistakes and go back on some of their campaign promises. And whoever inherits the White House will have a lot of mistakes to correct (look how many conservatives are blaming the eighth year of the Bush administration on Clinton or even Carter for crying out loud).

I imagine Obama will be much better than his critics suggest yet less successful than his most vehement supporters claim. Combined with the inherited legacy I'm not really expecting a return to the Clinton years.

 

[wofford29]

I'm betting they'll both blame the other side for holding them back, which can be true in some cases, but not all.

Which brings me to my point about true change, and how I honestly don't see it happening with this election, and how it isn't going to come from whoever becomes the nations scapegoat. I think this election is only adding bricks to the wall that's dividing everyone.

 

[ProgMatinee]

All presidents legacies are products of a lot more than what happens during their duration as president. And no president's legacy can be understood right away either.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Out of curiousity, and as a disclaimer, I support neither candidate, but seeing as how Obama is exhalted as the messiah, I'll pose this question to his supporters. When he gets into office, and he fails to live up to, well he's not really said anything he'd do yet, but when he fails to live up to I guess his "hope" message. Will you honestly come out and admit he's a failure, or are you planning your "but he's got to undue Bush's mistakes" arguements?


For the McCain siders. If he get's into office, and does in fact continue more of the same, will you admit his failures or will you continue to defend Bush and say more of the same is good and McCain is delivering?

Let's keep this on track - Spartan and Barbelith - both of you are on the edge of acceptable as to name calling. And both are cited for unnecessary snarkiness. 15 yard penalty.

I don't think Obama supporters have unrealistic expectations. The problems we face have been a long time coming and have been the fault of many, many different people and situations - both Republican, Democrat and indifferent. No one expects him to fix things overnight, or even at all.

I think all anyone hopes for is a move away from Bushness as usual.

 

[wofford29]

I don't think Obama is exalted as the messiah by anyone but straw men propped up by conservatives.

You're not very involved with your party and it's supporters if that's your opinion. Or maybe it pains you to the point of denial that a large part of your parties supporters are just as retarded as the conservatives. I've yet to hear a conservative elevate his name.

Depends on the issue. All presidents make mistakes and go back on some of their campaign promises. And whoever inherits the White House will have a lot of mistakes to correct (look how many conservatives are blaming the eighth year of the Bush administration on Clinton or even Carter for crying out loud).

Of course they make mistakes, and yes, mistakes that date back to Carter. Blame on one man is naively short sighted. Especially one with only 1/3 the power.

I imagine Obama will be much better than his critics suggest yet less successful than his most vehement supporters claim.

I think he's only being set up for failure despite any of his moderate success.

Combined with the inherited legacy I'm not really expecting a return to the Clinton years.

Let's hope not. It's hard living in a world of smoke and mirrors.

 

[barbelith]

You're not very involved with your party and it's supporters if that's your opinion. Or maybe it pains you to the point of denial that a large part of your parties supporters are just as retarded as the conservatives. I've yet to hear a conservative elevate his name.

You're missing my point. I think this whole "messianic" nonsense is coming from the GOP as a smear tactic. I've never met a single Obama supporter who thinks or acts as if he's the messiah or anything approaching it. It's just a silly swiftboat tactic like the "celebrity" thing and it could be applied to any politician speaking in front of a friendly audience. Just look at the reception Sarah Palin gets on the stump!

Blame on one man is naively short sighted.

Nobody's blaming one man.

I think he's only being set up for failure despite any of his moderate success.

Conservative talk radio will see to that.

Let's hope not.

It was pretty much the only period of stability and prosperity for the middle class in more than a quarter century. We could do a lot worse!

 

[Mesa]

Yawn. Typical unthinking pablum. It's impossible for a rational person to dispassionately look at the Ayers situation and come away thinking it impinges on Obama one iota. I imagine many of these same extremist maniacs still think Nelson Mandela can amount to nothing.

Jesus. What must all of Ayers' college students be guilty of?

What I think is absolutely ridiculous, is that a self proclaimed domestic terrorist like Ayers is allowed to later become a professor at a University. This guy bombed people and government targets. No wonder so many college students leave school with a liberal mindset.

 

[barbelith]

What I think is absolutely ridiculous, is that a self proclaimed domestic terrorist like Ayers is allowed to later become a professor at a University.

Nobody can change? Actions taken forty years ago should overrule any contribution that can be made in the present day?

This guy bombed people and government targets.

Who did Ayers bomb?

I don't endorse his violence but this is a tricky area considering the way our nation was founded. Why is it we can look past Washington's efforts to overthrow his government but anything Ayers has done in the intervening forty years is swept to the side?

Do you think Clinton and Bush should apologize for recognizing Nelson Mandela?

 

[LChinoz]

What I think is absolutely ridiculous, is that a self proclaimed domestic terrorist like Ayers is allowed to later become a professor at a University. This guy bombed people and government targets. No wonder so many college students leave school with a liberal mindset.

Ayers was also named "Citizen of the Year" in 1997 in Chicago for his work on the Annenberg Project, set out to help improve schools using external partner organizations.

 

[DarkArtist81]

Let's keep this on track - Spartan and Barbelith - both of you are on the edge of acceptable as to name calling. And both are cited for unnecessary snarkiness. 15 yard penalty.

I don't think Obama supporters have unrealistic expectations. The problems we face have been a long time coming and have been the fault of many, many different people and situations - both Republican, Democrat and indifferent. No one expects him to fix things overnight, or even at all.

I think all anyone hopes for is a move away from Bushness as usual.

Quoted for Truth.

And just checking in again to see how deep the BS is in this thread...

*notices the feces on his knees*

Yep, pretty damn deep. Off I go.

 

[Mesa]

So if I were to sit in KKK or Nazi White Supremists meetings, say for oh... 20 YEARS, and then renounce what I once supported, I would be considered to be qualified for a job as president??? All is forgiven according to you, as long as I tell you I no longer support it....

Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist. Don't try to defend him. I was just watching a program last night where his terrorist group Weather underground attempted to plant a bomb beneath a car of some political opponent, luckily it was detected before allowed to detonate. Sorry, I don't have the name commited to memory, but could easily look it up later if I'd know you'd actually consider the fact.

Nobody can change? Actions taken forty years ago should overrule any contribution that can be made in the present day?



Who did Ayers bomb?

I don't endorse his violence but this is a tricky area considering the way our nation was founded. Why is it we can look past Washington's efforts to overthrow his government but anything Ayers has done in the intervening forty years is swept to the side?

Do you think Clinton and Bush should apologize for recognizing Nelson Mandela?

 

[Mesa]

Ayers was also named "Citizen of the Year" in 1997 in Chicago for his work on the Annenberg Project, set out to help improve schools using external partner organizations.

Good for him. Doesn't change the fact he tried to blow up buildings and kill people in my eyes.

 

[LChinoz]

So if I were to sit in KKK or Nazi White Supremists meetings, say for oh... 20 YEARS, and then renounce what I once supported, I would be considered to be qualified for a job as president??? All is forgiven according to you, as long as I tell you I no longer support it....

Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist. Don't try to defend him. I was just watching a program last night where his terrorist group Weather underground attempted to plant a bomb beneath a car of some political opponent, luckily it was detected before allowed to detonate. Sorry, I don't have the name commited to memory, but could easily look it up later if I'd know you'd actually consider the fact.

https://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14349.html

https://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/steve_chapman/2008/10/mccain-has-his.html

Is it the Liberal media bias again keeping these stories from the public? Didn't think so.