Who should kill him then? Who's this tough guy who will kill this pathetic lowlife murderer? What will be the result of this? What will we gain from this? Explain to me how this benefits the victims and their families?
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Who should kill him then? Who's this tough guy who will kill this pathetic lowlife murderer? What will be the result of this? What will we gain from this? Explain to me how this benefits the victims and their families?
Still waiting Mr. Presumption.
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Pix, your presence in these threads is equivelent to my presence in a Kuzeh Michael Jackson thread.
ebor
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My answer to the original question:
Catch them(if you can), convict them(if you can), study them(ethically of course), incarcerate them, keep studying them to learn how thier behavours can be avoided in others.
A bullet is a cheap alternative, seems like life is very cheap these days, but we are part of a thing called humanity, and our society could be judged on how we treat those with the least capabilities (physical or mental), and how we support them. This would be costly, but isn't our humanity worth something?
(as a footnote: I am a person who works in a profession that deals with the results of death. I work with families in grieving curcumstances, and have seen first hand the horror and atrocities that one person can inflict on another and the aftermath, albeit a very narrow snap-shot of the event.)
Catch them(if you can), convict them(if you can), study them(ethically of course), incarcerate them, keep studying them to learn how thier behavours can be avoided in others.
A bullet is a cheap alternative, seems like life is very cheap these days, but we are part of a thing called humanity, and our society could be judged on how we treat those with the least capabilities (physical or mental), and how we support them. This would be costly, but isn't our humanity worth something?
(as a footnote: I am a person who works in a profession that deals with the results of death. I work with families in grieving curcumstances, and have seen first hand the horror and atrocities that one person can inflict on another and the aftermath, albeit a very narrow snap-shot of the event.)
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I don't know what's going on here, but justice is getting what you deserve. The people of Colorado do not deserve to support the life (in prison) of a deranged killer, and a deranged killer does not deserve to live amongst decent people. The death penalty is a complicated subject, but morality is not- he deserves to die. And returning to the death penalty, I think one situation in which it is undeniably proper is when there is premeditated, vicious (that is, without duress) murder and undeniable evidence to prove it. For me, this is an open and shut case. And as for the talk about society and circumstance turning people into murderers, I say "speak for yourself, brother".
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This thread just became win/win for Pixel.
I guess it really is easier to just put people on ignore who challenge you to actually think. Soapboxing one's ignorance is truly easier than thoughtful discourse.
Winning!!!
hairlesswookiee
PALPATINE CRUSADER!!!!
Well, I added him to my ignore list so I guess I win too? I can only hope that the ban hammer is strong today.
Why should I be banned?
hairlesswookiee
PALPATINE CRUSADER!!!!
I guess it really is easier to just put people on ignore who challenge you to actually think. Soapboxing one's ignorance is truly easier than thoughtful discourse.
Winning!!!
You did start the insulting back when this discussion started in the other thread by insinuating people were stupid and/or insane for thinking this low life should be killed. And the part where you attacked the 'fairytale nonsense' may be one of very few times where I, a fellow atheist, felt defensive towards the religious since the guy was likely just using an expression without any real intent to bring up religion.
However in your favour I have at no point thought you weren't sympathetic to the families of the victims, I'm not sure where that came from. You are simply arguing that killing this guy after-the-fact is not the right course now. I just disagree with that. In cases like this where the crime is so terrible and the guilt of the perpetrator is beyond doubt I think the emotional response is justified and is probably the right and fair one. Also, I do believe most people directly affected will, in their heart of hearts, want this guy dead. This was an unforgiveable act, any who say they could forgive this is naive and/or a liar.
I remember I only said that about "beating him". But yeah, I find it pretty insane to kill the guy as well. Again, he doesn't deserve his own life but what good will it do? Nothing. The families won't get back their family members who died. More killing won't solve anything, we are better than the murderers, we don't do what they do.
Edit: We shouldn't do what they do...
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Darth Cruel
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I will answer yours, but then you have to answer mine instead of dodging it.
To remind you what my question was...Do you have anything better to offer as reasoning behind your conviction that this guy should not be killed?
To take care of your's...
Who should kill him? - If nobody else wants to, I will be happy to inject the cocktail and watch the life fade from his eyes. And i would be happy to videotape it and watch it every week for the rest of my life.
What will be the result of this? - Justice will be served. Albiet a weak measure of justice because he deserves to die 12 times but he can only be killed once.
What will we gain from this? - The world will be just a tiny bit better place to live because we have ridded it of a little bit of evil.
How does it benefit the victims and their families? - As callous as it sounds, benefit to the victims is a moot point of discussion. Honestly...the victims are gone and will never know the difference. The benefit to those who still live are that they can at least know that someone is making an effort to curb this from happening again by showing that the consequences are as dire as the act. Killing the perpetrator of this massacre may not stop every massacre that may happen in the future...but I am confident that I will be less likely to commit one if I know I am going to die for it. So...just with my attitude...the death of this perpetrator will have benefit.
When this thread is ashes....you have my permission to be banned.
I had too.
I don't get it, is it a TDKR quote?
1. We are not like murderers who kill. Be it for satisfaction or so called "justice". The only justice is bringing back the dead. Enough with the killing in my opinion.
2. The guy deserves a life where he has to live with what he did in bad conditions. No luxury and no comfort, only hard work etc.
3. Killing him would be like giving him a free ticket to avoid that hard life he actually deserves. Which isn't a life really.
4. It won't solve anything. He can still stay in jail for his whole life, society will be safe from him.
5. We can learn from murderers, study them, what is the cause of these things and how to avoid them.
devilof76
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If a society will not take the life of those who wantonly take lives, it has no right to claim respect for human life. They can claim respect for the lives of killers, but they will have relegated the innocent to the status of slaughterhouse fodder. The only thing you'll learn from that is the guilt of having sanctioned murder on the principle of a truly warped concept of civility.
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