What should be done to killers?

[pixletwin]

If a society will not take the life of those who wantonly take lives, it has no right to claim respect for human life. They can claim respect for the lives of killers, but they will have relegated the innocent to the status of slaughterhouse fodder.

Great quote. (Or if you are the one who said this "")

 

[Star Puffs]

The death penalty is not without merit in dealing with these outlier mass killers, although I am uncomfortable with the state executing someone who is not a free and on-going danger. The best solution might be to require a request for the death penalty be made by the convicting jury of their own volition. A judge or prosecutor should not have the power to introduce or recommend such a sentence. The decision would be separate from the conviction and might require only a 3/4 super majority to enact since a unnaimous decision would be unlikely.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

hang 'em high

 

[a-dev]

I remember I only said that about "beating him". But yeah, I find it pretty insane to kill the guy as well. Again, he doesn't deserve his own life but what good will it do? Nothing. The families won't get back their family members who died. More killing won't solve anything, we are better than the murderers, we don't do what they do.

Edit: We shouldn't do what they do...

If you want to call it murder then I still say this is one of those cases where there is such a thing as 'justified' murder, where the executioner doesn't need to, and shouldn't, feel any guilt about carrying out the act on another human. Fine, do it as humanely as is possible - and consider that the most humanity this trash deserves to be shown that he isn't tortured beforehand - but the end result should still be this guys death.

You keep saying what good would it do to kill him? I don't see what good it would do to let him live.

 

[Phil Sierra]

Take your pick.

Top 10 Gruesome Methods of Execution

https://listverse.com/2007/09/12/top-10-gruesome-methods-of-execution/

 

[Niltusk]

If a society will not take the life of those who wantonly take lives, it has no right to claim respect for human life. They can claim respect for the lives of killers, but they will have relegated the innocent to the status of slaughterhouse fodder. The only thing you'll learn from that is the guilt of having sanctioned murder on the principle of a truly warped concept of civility.

Can I get a Hell Yes?!!

 

[Wulf]

If you want to call it murder then I still say this is one of those cases where there is such a thing as 'justified' murder, where the executioner doesn't need to, and shouldn't, feel any guilt about carrying out the act on another human. Fine, do it as humanely as is possible - and consider that the most humanity this trash deserves to be shown that he isn't tortured beforehand - but the end result should still be this guys death.

You keep saying what good would it do to kill him? I don't see what good it would do to let him live.

Go back a page and read what I said.

 

[Wulf]

Take your pick.

Top 10 Gruesome Methods of Execution

https://listverse.com/2007/09/12/top-10-gruesome-methods-of-execution/

Fascinating.

 

[a-dev]

Go back a page and read what I said.

I did, before my laptop accidentally unplugged and shut off because I have no battery in it. Your point about studying him might be a valid one. What do people think about that? Have there been many killers such as this who didn't kill themselves, weren't put to death and were then studied? Is that actually any use for preventing cases like this?

 

[Wulf]

I did, before my laptop accidentally unplugged and shut off because I have no battery in it. Your point about studying him might be a valid one. What do people think about that? Have there been many killers such as this who didn't kill themselves, weren't put to death and were then studied? Is that actually any use for preventing cases like this?

I think they are all valid ones.

 

[a-dev]

That may go without saying

 

[Wulf]

That may go without saying

What is it that you don't find valid about them then?

 

[Darth Cruel]

1. We are not like murderers who kill. Be it for satisfaction or so called "justice". The only justice is bringing back the dead. Enough with the killing in my opinion.

2. The guy deserves a life where he has to live with what he did in bad conditions. No luxury and no comfort, only hard work etc.

3. Killing him would be like giving him a free ticket to avoid that hard life he actually deserves. Which isn't a life really.

4. It won't solve anything. He can still stay in jail for his whole life, society will be safe from him.

5. We can learn from murderers, study them, what is the cause of these things and how to avoid them.

I am sorry, my friend. But this is all empty idealism. As you age, you will see as much.

1) Killing to combat this kind of evil does not make us the same as those who kill for enjoyment. And your definition of justice is flawed...extremely. Putting someone like this to death would not mean that everyone else is going to start enjoying the act of killing other human beings.

2) Making this guy think about what he did for the rest of his life will serve zero purpose. If he cared...he would not have done it in the first place. And even if he developes a conscience after chilling out behind bars for 20 years of his life sentence...it would still have no benefit because he would never be released to show it and so it still serves no purpose. He is probably laughing with the idea that this mindset might save his life.

3) Who gives a damn if he suffers. You preach that killing is inhuman and then state that you want him to suffer in a different way. That is very contradictory.

4) Why allow him a care-free existence that he always has the possibility of escaping from to commit another act like this. Why make the people struggle harder to support him? Life in jail is a reward for his actions...not justice.

5) The whole "we can learn from them" attitude is a farce. But if it makes that camp feel better...study him for a while...6 months should be plenty...then kill him...and then study him some more.

 

[pixletwin]

At this point I can only assume that Dracula has less than a high school education and a severe deficiency in life experience.

 

[Firebird]

1. We are not like murderers who kill. Be it for satisfaction or so called "justice". The only justice is bringing back the dead. Enough with the killing in my opinion.

2. The guy deserves a life where he has to live with what he did in bad conditions. No luxury and no comfort, only hard work etc.

3. Killing him would be like giving him a free ticket to avoid that hard life he actually deserves. Which isn't a life really.

4. It won't solve anything. He can still stay in jail for his whole life, society will be safe from him.

5. We can learn from murderers, study them, what is the cause of these things and how to avoid them.

@bad conditions, no luxury, no comfort, only hard work ect.

Don't these prisions offer 3 course meals, a gym, a bed, television and a onsight library ect.?! As for hard work, don't most people do that now in society?!

@We can learn from murderers, study them, what is the cause of these things and how to avoid them.

What if he chooses to not speak about his actions? So, how are they suppose to study him?

Apparently, he gave himself up without a fight. He must fear death to himself and not to others, because he went on a mass rampage. So, give him what he fears most. The death penalty.

 

[a-dev]

What is it that you don't find valid about them then?

I didn't mean to suggest that everything else you said was 'invalid'. I've said that I haven't entirely disagreed with you on all counts except on the essential point about killing this guy. You seem to be suggesting that to kill him makes us no better and that[/I I disagree with. This, and any mass shooting case like it, is exceptional. His crime was so horrific and cruel that to kill him would do our society no shame.

 

[Wulf]

I am sorry, my friend. But this is all empty idealism. As you age, you will see as much.

1) Killing to combat this kind of evil does not make us the same as those who kill for enjoyment. And your definition of justice is flawed...extremely. Putting someone like this to death would not mean that everyone else is going to start enjoying the act of killing other human beings.

2) Making this guy think about what he did for the rest of his life will serve zero purpose. If he cared...he would not have done it in the first place. And even if he developes a conscience after chilling out behind bars for 20 years of his life sentence...it would still have no benefit because he would never be released to show it and so it still serves no purpose. He is probably laughing with the idea that this mindset might save his life.

3) Who gives a damn if he suffers. You preach that killing is inhuman and then state that you want him to suffer in a different way. That is very contradictory.

4) Why allow him a care-free existence that he always has the possibility of escaping from to commit another act like this. Why make the people struggle harder to support him? Life in jail is a reward for his actions...not justice.

5) The whole "we can learn from them" attitude is a farce. But if it makes that camp feel better...study him for a while...6 months should be plenty...then kill him...and then study him some more.

1. Of course not. Killing him during the shootout would be justifiable. But now, when he is in custody/jail? That's wrong. We are not executioners, it's not right.

2. Killing him will serve zero purpose. It will just show that we can only take care of this kind of criminals with death.

3. I'm not saying we should beat his ass everyday, I'm just saying he should have a hard life for what he did.

4. If he escapes then that's a flaw with the prison. It should not happen. Being killed is a reward for his actions, not a punishment.

5. You don't think so? If we study them we can know what lead a man to do this. If we just kill him he's gone forever and there's no way of finding out why he did what he did. I understand you want the guy dead. But revenge is just about making yourself feel better. It won't solve anything. Maybe keeping him alive won't either but at least we won't do the ____ he does, taking lives. Of course it's not the same, I know. But it's still taking a life of a human that is imprisoned for life (if you can call that a life) and no longer a threat.

Justice is bringing back the dead to life.

 

[Wulf]

I didn't mean to suggest that everything else you said was 'invalid'. I've said that I haven't entirely disagreed with you on all counts except on the essential point about killing this guy. You seem to be suggesting that to kill him makes us no better and that[/I I disagree with. This, and any mass shooting case like it, is exceptional. His crime was so horrific and cruel that to kill him would do our society no shame.

Of course not. I'm not saying that if we kill him we are just as bad as he was for killing several INNOCENT people. I'm just saying that we would be using the same methods he used to get satisfaction or whatever it was what he wants and the people here craving for his death.

His execution won't solve anything.

@bad conditions, no luxury, no comfort, only hard work ect.

Don't these prisions offer 3 course meals, a gym, a bed, television and a onsight library ect.?! As for hard work, don't most people do that now in society?!

@We can learn from murderers, study them, what is the cause of these things and how to avoid them.

What if he chooses to not speak about his actions? So, how are they suppose to study him?

Apparently, he gave himself up without a fight. He must fear death to himself and not to others, because he went on a mass rampage. So, give him what he fears most. The death penalty.

If that is the case than I'm absolutely disgusted. I know it's like that in Sweden. Here they have the chance to get out of prison even with a lifetime sentence...

 

[pixletwin]

I have read some stupid things on this board, but this just about takes the award for being the stupidest.

Justice is bringing back the dead to life.

 

[a-dev]

Ireland is the same. They say 'life' but that can in actuality be far far less, ridiculously so. And all this ''2 life sentences to run 'concurrently''' bull$h!t - just call it what it is FFS. 25 years at most and hes out. Better yet make ''life'' mean ****ing Life!