What should be done to killers?

[hydrobud]

I said torturing the guy and killing him was stupid and insane. People here acted like primitive people did in the past when someone was about to be executed on the street. All hungry for death and blood. I find that insane. Then what, when he is killed. What have we gained? The victims and their families? Revenge? Justice? Satisfaction? No, just more blood. And the murderer even gets away with it easy.

he most likely cares about living thats probably why he didnt off himself. what do we gain by his demise you ask ? we gain the knowledge that this fkr will never have the oppurtunity to do this again. by giving him a life sentence he will have a lifetime of chances of getting out through some silly loophole or escaping or even being pardon by someone with your frame of thought. it may not be a deterrent for others but neither is a life sentence. a death sentence would deter him from ever doing this again.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Dracula - Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

 

[Wulf]

Ireland is the same. They say 'life' but that can in actuality be far far less, ridiculously so. And all this ''2 life sentences to run 'concurrently''' bull$h!t - just call it what it is FFS. 25 years at most and hes out. Better yet make ''life'' mean ****ing Life!

25 years? It can be like 12 years in Sweden. For rape they only get a couple of months in jail... You can even get more time in jail for tax evasions...

 

[Wulf]

Dracula - Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

21. But it's irrelevant. People of all ages agree and disagree with my opinion. I've even shared your opinion once, but I realized it was only about making myself feel better.

 

[pixletwin]

21. But it's irrelevant. People of all ages agree and disagree with my opinion. I've even shared your opinion once, but I realized it was only about making myself feel better.

21? Are you dyslexic perhaps?

 

[diecast]

lets reach a compromise......

there should be prisons specifically for people who would've gotten the death penalty.

and there they can solder electronics and make nikes for 23 hours a day, with minimal meals.

apple and nike get free labor.
china's children get a break
we get discounts on our apple/nike products
and at least they would be productive in some capacity to society.

deal?

 

[Wulf]

lets reach a compromise......

there should be prisons specifically for people who would've gotten the death penalty.

and there they can solder electronics and make nikes for 23 hours a day, with minimal meals.

apple and nike get free labor.
china's children get a break
we get discounts on our apple/nike products
and at least they would be productive in some capacity to society.

deal?

You got it.

 

[a-dev]

25 years? It can be like 12 years in Sweden. For rape they only get a couple of months in jail... You can even get more time in jail for tax evasions...

That sounds very familiar. It'd be funny if it weren't so outrageous and appalling.

 

[Darth Cruel]

21. But it's irrelevant. People of all ages agree and disagree with my opinion. I've even shared your opinion once, but I realized it was only about making myself feel better.

About your age - The fact that you try to convince me that it is irrelevant tells me that it is very relevant.

About the highlighted part of your post - It seems to me that your current point of view is about making yourself feel better as well. It is the same effect, just a different mechanism if delivery.


I don't base my beliefs on this matter on what makes me feel better...the fact that I would feel better is a fringe benefit. The fact that simple, inarguable common sense dictates that it is better for the world to remove this type of person from it is what fuels my attitude. I need nothing else.

 

[Wulf]

About your age - The fact that you try to convince me that it is irrelevant tells me that it is very relevant.

About the highlighted part of your post - It seems to me that your current point of view is about making yourself feel better as well. It is the same effect, just a different mechanism if delivery.


I don't base my beliefs on this matter on what makes me feel better...the fact that I would feel better is a fringe benefit. The fact that simple, inarguable common sense dictates that it is better for the world to remove this type of person from it is what fuels my attitude. I need nothing else.

My age is not relevant at all. My young age doesn't make my opinion less valuable.

This isn't about making myself feel better, it used to be when I was younger. Then I wanted murderers and rapists dead. But now I find that illogical because that's about my own personal gain. What would make me feel better. But jail is where criminals belong. Killing them won't change anything or make the crime undone.

I'm not arguing that removing evil people like this from society isn't better for the world, it's just the way you go about it.

 

[Star Puffs]

21? Are you dyslexic perhaps?

About your age - The fact that you try to convince me that it is irrelevant tells me that it is very relevant.

You two are the ones who look immature, attacking Dracula on a personal level for merely holding a different notion of proper punishment. And worse you are enraged not because he is advocating some absurdly lax penalty, but simply because he is not braying for blood like some of you.

On top of that he is educated enough to express himself intelligently in a second language. I wonder how many of the people sneering at him as a callow youth can do the same.

 

[devilof76]

Justice is bringing back the dead to life.

Restitution is bringing the dead back to life. And because the dead cannot be brought back to life, the killer must pay with the only thing they have that's worth a life. The only thing equal in worth to a life is a life, and justice demands that a murderer lose theirs.

 

[Natrix]

@bad conditions, no luxury, no comfort, only hard work ect.

Don't these prisions offer 3 course meals, a gym, a bed, television and a onsight library ect.?! As for hard work, don't most people do that now in society?!

If that is the case than I'm absolutely disgusted. I know it's like that in Sweden. Here they have the chance to get out of prison even with a lifetime sentence...

What did you expect prison life was like then?

He isn't going to be in solitary, rotting away in some deep dark hole.

You keep asking what the families get if he gets the death penalty.

The victims families get closure if the murderer gets the death penalty. If he lives, the emotional wounds will get ripped open every time he gets more attention and infamy through a TV interview, news show or movie about his life and the incident. Knowing that he is alive and breathing each day, still has a bed to sleep in, getting meals every day and has a toilet to ____ in and having a semblance of normal life even if it is behind bars when your loved ones are dead by his actions isn't a punishment equal to the crime.

 

[devilof76]

I've even shared your opinion once, but I realized it was only about making myself feel better.

You prefer to feel worse?

I know that showing a killer mercy would make me feel pretty bad.

 

[Niltusk]

You two are the ones who look immature, attacking Dracula on a personal level for merely holding a different notion of proper punishment. And worse you are enraged not because he is advocating some absurdly lax penalty, but simply because he is not braying for blood like some of you.

On top of that he is educated enough to express himself intelligently in a second language. I wonder how many of the people sneering at him as a callow youth can do the same.

Hes educated enough to know at least a couple languages, that doesn't mean he has an intelligent opinion. His whole argument since page 1 is if you don't agree with him, then you're insane, barbaric, unenlightened, etc... theres others who have expressed disdain for the death penalty in this thread and the other without taking pot shots at others opinions or their religion.

 

[Darth Cruel]

My age is not relevant at all. My young age doesn't make my opinion less valuable.

This isn't about making myself feel better, it used to be when I was younger. Then I wanted murderers and rapists dead. But now I find that illogical because that's about my own personal gain. What would make me feel better. But jail is where criminals belong. Killing them won't change anything or make the crime undone.

I'm not arguing that removing evil people like this from society isn't better for the world, it's just the way you go about it.

Although I do not feel that your age makes your opinion less valuable as all points of view have something to teach, I do find it useful while digesting the information I get from you.

 

[devilof76]

Great quote. (Or if you are the one who said this "")

I use quotation marks when it's not me running my mouth.

hang 'em high

How the west was won.

Can I get a Hell Yes?!!

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[Darth Cruel]

You two are the ones who look immature, attacking Dracula on a personal level for merely holding a different notion of proper punishment. And worse you are enraged not because he is advocating some absurdly lax penalty, but simply because he is not braying for blood like some of you.

On top of that he is educated enough to express himself intelligently in a second language. I wonder how many of the people sneering at him as a callow youth can do the same.

You are mistaken. I am simply attempting to offer my point of view and explain why I have it and at the same time, I am trying to understand his. And if you care to look back on the history of my discussions on this forum, you'll see that to be my habit.


I have seen very few of your posts. But of the few I have seen, I am seeing a pattern of being argumentative over being on topic. Now, if you have something relevant to add to the discussion, I would love to read it (edit - if it is presented in a pleasant manner). But you really bring nothing to the topic by jumping in with off-topic personal attacks.


Oh, and if you care to do it in Spanish, I may be a little rusty but I am sure I can do it. It is not a miracle to be able to use two languages.

 

[joshh]

Sorry this will sound harsh but.... for all those idiots who said "ooh violence just bring more violence... dont beat him up.. dont kill him..etc etc."
Get your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, your brother etcetc killed by a murderor and then I want to hear what you want to happen to the killer.

I support the theory of an eye for an eye. PERIOD.
you take a life and your are in your full knowledge of it, boom you get death penalty. Period.

oh hey! you want that mother ____er that killed your mother to be free on parole after an apeal 20 years later and eating mcdonalds, enjoying a pool in a crappy motel and ____ing some hot sexy redneck girls? how bout NO! because your mother wont be able to even taste something as basic as scramble eggs, feel the warmth of the sun, feel the softness of a hug, so why should the killer be able to get all those pleasures? in fact beign in jail is already a pleasure! the pleasure to see the sky, to work out, to read, to EAT, to sleep, to breath! ____ that.
You kill someone, you must be killed. or better yet, if you dont support death penalty because who are we or the judge or the jury to judge someone they have nothing to do with right? well better yet, let the family members of the deceased to choose the punishment.. that will bring justice and comfort to them. IF you kill someone for pure pleasure, fun or anger, you should loose all your rights. why? because you just took someone elses rights completely. what makes you better than them?.
Well that's my opinion. until all criminals know that they will face certain death, then more murders will occur because there is always the possiblity of not getting caugh or killed for your crime. Fear could be a potentially strong tool to deter serious crimes like murder and rape. I mean if there is a law passed that if you rape someone you will loose your ____, well, will you rape someone? LOL

 

[pixletwin]

I'm guessing star puffs is 21 too.