Who had the upper hand, Mace or Palpatine?

[Prime Clone]

A lot of the EU is considered canon by Lucasfilm - but Lucas reserves to right to override it at any time (take Boba Fett's origin, for instance!) Hence we have classifications like G-canon, C-canon etc.

 

[lerath666]

meh, the tales story actualy COULD be cannon, ( but it's not) becucuase of how it worked. it was a cult, dedicated to the dark side that felt that Palpatine desereved an apprentice who was never a Member of the Jedi order. As such, they CLONED maul, and lured vader to the world, to let the maul clone kill him.
In the end Vader kil;ls the clone by stabbing through his own body to get him when he was comming up behind him for the killing blow. The accolites ( or was it the maul clone? can't remember) Ask "what could you possibly hate strongly enough to be able to use the dark side to not die from that wound?" and vader Replies, "myself" and then he kills the cultists.

Really good story actualy.

 

[Agent0028]

What's the difference between G-canon and C-canon?

 

[hairlesswookiee]

There is some story somewhere that has mace survive the fall from the window, but he's so stunned at his own defeat, that he simply wanders the lower regions of coruscant a broken shell of what he was, and completely insane.

any chance you can recall where you found this story?? i'd love the chance to read it as i'm a mace fan....
and for the record he did beat palpatine. palps even knew it... with that little sissy look on his face he hoped that vader would jump in to help.

 

[Prime Clone]

What's the difference between G-canon and C-canon?

G-canon is everything in the films, and anything else from Lucas himself, meaning it's indisputable. C-canon is most of the stuff in the EU, and is considered part of continuity unless it conflicts with G-canon, in which case G-canon takes precedence.

There's also S-canon for older EU stuff, over which C-canon takes precedence.

And they're creating yet another level of canon for the forthcoming live-action and animated series, which I reckon is unnecessary.

More at the Holocron blog.

 

[Agent0028]

Thanks for the info. That's too much for me to keep up with. I'll stick with the philosophy of taking what I like and making it canon (for me) and forgetting the rest.

 

[shocktrooper_au]

Ok --- just watched ROTS with commentry
Mace beats Palps - with a decisive disarming where palps scrambles for his life
To which Anakin walks in...
Palps uses lightning and pretends to be weakend when it is deflected back in order to sway Anakin over (due to the saving Padme issue and palps inpending death {to Anakins eyes}.)
Mace gets taken by suprise by a teenage(or slightly older) punk. To which Palps takes the opportunity to deliver a deathly blow to Mace.

= Mace gets owned by a weak old man and his upstart punk apprentice

we all happy?

 

[pixletwin]

Ok --- just watched ROTS with commentry
Mace beats Palps - with a decisive disarming where palps scrambles for his life
To which Anakin walks in...
Palps uses lightning and pretends to be weakend when it is deflected back in order to sway Anakin over (due to the saving Padme issue and palps inpending death {to Anakins eyes}.)
Mace gets taken by suprise by a teenage(or slightly older) punk. To which Palps takes the opportunity to deliver a deathly blow to Mace.

= Mace gets owned by a weak old man and his upstart punk apprentice

we all happy?

 

[Prime Clone]

Thanks for the info. That's too much for me to keep up with. I'll stick with the philosophy of taking what I like and making it canon (for me) and forgetting the rest.

Funnily enough, that's exactly what the Keeper of the Lucasfilm Holocron recommends!

 

[SolidLiquidFox]

Ok --- just watched ROTS with commentry
Mace beats Palps - with a decisive disarming where palps scrambles for his life
To which Anakin walks in...
Palps uses lightning and pretends to be weakend when it is deflected back in order to sway Anakin over (due to the saving Padme issue and palps inpending death {to Anakins eyes}.)
Mace gets taken by suprise by a teenage(or slightly older) punk. To which Palps takes the opportunity to deliver a deathly blow to Mace.

= Mace gets owned by a weak old man and his upstart punk apprentice

we all happy?

The same way Luke was getting owned by the Emperor in ROTJ. Same concept: he was defenseless but used that to convince Anakin.

 

[shocktrooper_au]

Nice!


now I think we are getting it

 

[Prime Clone]

The same way Luke was getting owned by the Emperor in ROTJ. Same concept: he was defenseless but used that to convince Anakin.

It helped that Anakin had previously made the wrong choice in a similar situation!

 

[shocktrooper_au]

BAM - bolt of lightning to my head



Thankyou!

You see some of us aren't brick walls afterall

 

[Outer_Rim]

Your missing the point. The difference between Gilliard and a guy who writes what is essentially glorified fan fiction, is that Gilliard WORKED ON THE FILMS. He was familiar with George's intentions and worked under George to put to life what was ON SCREEN.

In addition I am not too surprised to find that the dumb fans are the majority.

Exactly. Gillard worked on the film and knows better than any EU writer every detail of this duel.

Ok --- just watched ROTS with commentry
Mace beats Palps - with a decisive disarming where palps scrambles for his life
To which Anakin walks in...
Palps uses lightning and pretends to be weakend when it is deflected back in order to sway Anakin over (due to the saving Padme issue and palps inpending death {to Anakins eyes}.)
Mace gets taken by suprise by a teenage(or slightly older) punk. To which Palps takes the opportunity to deliver a deathly blow to Mace.

= Mace gets owned by a weak old man and his upstart punk apprentice

we all happy?

Lucas says Mace overpowers Palpatine refering to the moment the Sith is disarmed and then he says Mace is winning when Anakin enters into Palpy´s office. Note that he does not say Mace won here.

I agree that Mace disarmed Palpatine fair and square. Palpatine did not expect that kick but it is also true that Mace would be death long before if Palpatine was not so arrogant. It can be said Mace won the lightsaber battle and Palpatine won the duel. Palpatine only fights if he has all aces up his sleeve, he always find a way to win. That is what Gillard means, Palpy is a master of every weapon and style and if you bested him in lightsaber combat, he will change his fighting style to adapt to the new situation. At the end he will always win, but there is something he can not avoid, Destiny.

 

[Sir Tristram]

Mace, period. Palpatine HOPED Skywalker would turn, but didn't know for sure. Yes, he did "ham it up" with the "I am so weak" stuff, but that was to aid in the turn of Skywalker. Mace beat Palpatine and Palpatine needed Anakin to turn to save his ass.

Of course! This is exatly what happened. I didn't realize it was so ambiguous to some.

 

[Darth_Maul]

my vote went to Mace..i think if it wasn`t Anakin and when Palp was on the ground Mace had the upper hand..but this is the magic of the Star Wars...like in the first movie..Maul killed qui gon and then Obi was hanging..but in the end maul was sliced in two pieces!.:maul

 

[automaton]

Lucas explores the myth of the "Chosen One" in a six cycle saga... if Mace was able to defeat Palpatine, he proves that the myth was just that. Darwin proved man evolved from ape but that isn't going to stop others from believing in the Garden of Eden. Lucas is letting the individual decide.

 

[pixletwin]

....Darwin proved man evolved from ape but that isn't going to stop others from believing in the Garden of Eden....

He "proved" it?

Anyhoo...

 

[Outer_Rim]

Lucas explores the myth of the "Chosen One" in a six cycle saga... if Mace was able to defeat Palpatine, he proves that the myth was just that. Darwin proved man evolved from ape but that isn't going to stop others from believing in the Garden of Eden. Lucas is letting the individual decide.

Star Wars is a fairy tale in which Destiny and Free choice coexist. Anakin is destined to kill the Sith himself (and not letting others do it) but he chooses when, how and where.

 

[chewblacca]

Palpatine engineered everything from the plot to take over Naboo to the whole clone war, and the almost extinction of the Jedi. How can anyone beleive that he did not plan for Anakin to come in when he did and "save" him from Mace. The only thing I know he did not count on was Yoda.