Who had the upper hand, Mace or Palpatine?

[pixletwin]

There's a difference between Anakin being a passive pawn in Palps' plan and making his own choices. That's the whole point we're arguing.

Of course his mind had some Force-prodding from Palps, but in the end the decision was his.

I am not arguing free will here. Anakin made choices, yes. But he wasn't the architect of his choices.

 

[lerath666]

Here is a currious question. I wonder how many of the members of the " mace won 'cause he's a bad ass" side of the equation are saying so becuase mace is Samuel L. Jackson? Alot of people Are real big fans of his, and his "hero status" as an actor possibly holds some sway in this regaurd.

 

[Captain Faramir]

Here is a currious question. I wonder how many of the members of the " mace won 'cause he's a bad ass" side of the equation are saying so becuase mace is Samuel L. Jackson? Alot of people Are real big fans of his, and his "hero status" as an actor possibly holds some sway in this regaurd.

Maybe, though I personally have never seen him in any other movies, so I only know him as Mace Windu.

 

[Anzik]

Its simple. You cannot argue that Palpatine was all knowing and had planned everything to fall perfectly into place with every possible contingency and he couldn't foresee friggin' ewoks!!
Or are we to assume he ordered the Jedi killed, knowing they would escape, with the queen, stop off at Tatooine, pick up the Chosen One, kick out Valorum, have Padme beat the federation, have Padme survive several assassination attempts, set up Jango to be tracked by Obi Wan so that Anakin and Padme can be in peril saving him so they fall in love, after he had the sand people kill Shmi, so Anakin can slaughter them, have the Jedi arrive in time to rescue the trio, have the clones arrive to save the Jedi, start a war, get himself kidnapped, survive a crash landing, distract Obi Wan with Grievious long enough to corrupt Anakin, perfectly estimate four Jedi masters, keep Yoda with the wookiees guess Obi Wan would only maim Anakin and not kill him and take over the galaxy.

Everything happened by his design my Irish butt! If you still believe he pulled off all that and more the SW saga is worse than Young And The Restless!!

 

[Captain Faramir]

Its simple. You cannot argue that Palpatine was all knowing and had planned everything to fall perfectly into place with every possible contingency and he couldn't foresee friggin' ewoks!!
Or are we to assume he ordered the Jedi killed, knowing they would escape, with the queen, stop off at Tatooine, pick up the Chosen One, kick out Valorum, have Padme beat the federation, have Padme survive several assassination attempts, set up Jango to be tracked by Obi Wan so that Anakin and Padme can be in peril saving him so they fall in love, after he had the sand people kill Shmi, so Anakin can slaughter them, have the Jedi arrive in time to rescue the trio, have the clones arrive to save the Jedi, start a war, get himself kidnapped, survive a crash landing, distract Obi Wan with Grievious long enough to corrupt Anakin, perfectly estimate four Jedi masters, keep Yoda with the wookiees guess Obi Wan would only maim Anakin and not kill him and take over the galaxy.

Everything happened by his design my Irish butt! If you still believe he pulled off all that and more the SW saga is worse than Young And The Restless!!

Wow dude, what a great way to say that! It's true. He just wasn't omnipotent, no matter how you look at it. When he says everything was according to his design, it only demonstrated his massive over-confidence and, ironically, how blind he truly was.

 

[pixletwin]

Wow dude, what a great way to say that! It's true. He just wasn't omnipotent, no matter how you look at it. When he says everything was according to his design, it only demonstrated his massive over-confidence and, ironically, how blind he truly was.

Since when did someone have to be omnipotent to beat Mace Windu?

He was extremely powerful though. Strong enough that he blinded the Jedi from seeing the creation of an entire ARMY. He couldn't forsee Ewoks (nor his own demise) because, as Luke said, his arrogance was his weakness. I think what we have here is an inability to see logic that maligns your own preconceived notions.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

doesnt really matter.... if you read the book you'll understand that mace beat palpatine because he was a better sword fighter... until anakin took his lightsaber away he was making palpatine his beeootch.

 

[pixletwin]

doesnt really matter.... if you read the book you'll understand that mace beat palpatine because he was a better sword fighter... until anakin took his lightsaber away he was making palpatine his beeootch.

I have read the book and its just as open to interpretation as the movie is.

 

[Captain Faramir]

Since when did someone have to be omnipotent to beat Mace Windu?

He was extremely powerful though. Strong enough that he blinded the Jedi from seeing the creation of an entire ARMY. He couldn't forsee Ewoks (nor his own demise) because, as Luke said, his arrogance was his weakness. I think what we have here is an inability to see logic that maligns your own preconceived notions.

You mean like Palpatine?

 

[pixletwin]

You mean like Palpatine?

After much thought and careful prayer, God has sent me to tell you that you are all wrong.

 

[Captain Faramir]

You can't receive revelation for me, you wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

[Anzik]

Since when did someone have to be omnipotent to beat Mace Windu?

He was extremely powerful though. Strong enough that he blinded the Jedi from seeing the creation of an entire ARMY. He couldn't forsee Ewoks (nor his own demise) because, as Luke said, his arrogance was his weakness. I think what we have here is an inability to see logic that maligns your own preconceived notions.

EXACTLY!! In his mind he couldn't accept Mace could beat him in a saber duel. However to his credit, he was down but not out, he reached out to his other weapon, Anakin. But I don't think for a second that he needed to appear weak to have Anakin turn. If he had killed Mace, the Jedi would have been gone, Anakin would have no one and he still needed the Emperor.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I have read the book and its just as open to interpretation as the movie is.

im referring to his ability to use his Vaapad skills to own noobz.

 

[pixletwin]

Noobz meaning Palpatine?

 

[speedracer]

You guys are kidding right..Palpatine was fighting against 4 jedi and killed three of them instantly including Fisto..He kept on harping how weak he was but when anakin made his decision and cut maces arm..he flung mace about 500 yards out into the city..He had a loooot of power on tap..and his jedi skills were strong enough to beat 4 or more jedi at one time..Palpatine owns starwars..=)

 

[Randy_S]

doesnt really matter.... if you read the book you'll understand that mace beat palpatine because he was a better sword fighter... until anakin took his lightsaber away he was making palpatine his beeootch.

I just read that part again today. It says that Mace is only matching and reflecting Palpatine's attacks. It then goes on to say that Mace was sensing fear and looking for a shatterpoint in the wrong place, Palpatine had no fear of defeat at any point.

 

[bumblebee]

I just read that part again today. It says that Mace is only matching and reflecting Palpatine's attacks. It then goes on to say that Mace was sensing fear and looking for a shatterpoint in the wrong place, Palpatine had no fear of defeat at any point.

The novel never said Mace looked in the wrong place and the novel also says Mace had a steady forward march in the fight(never just matching palps like you say) its refers to the fight reaching a impasse but mace work past that and disarmed palps.

 

[speedracer]

palpatine = yoda , yoda > mace..logical conclusion palpatine > mace

 

[pixletwin]

palpatine = yoda , yoda > mace..logical conclusion palpatine > mace

A sensible person. Upo na pare. Inom tayo!

 

[bumblebee]

palpatine = yoda , yoda > mace..logical conclusion palpatine > mace

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