Will The Hobbit make more $ than Avengers or TDKR?

[Darkseed]

When nerds argue over subjective as if its objective... on the next Dr. Phil.

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[intothevoid]

To me, a 10/10 film is one that achieves appreciation from its viewers in all areas. Not just eye-candy. It's acting, characterization, the music, the cinematography, editing, writing, etc. That's why for me, The Godfather is a masterpiece. I know some people, especially action or sci-fi junkies, think it's boring or lackluster. But to me every line of dialogue is powerful, the music is beautiful yet haunting and leaves quite an impression. The transformation of Michael Corleone is so well done that it makes Anakin Skywalker's look laughable in comparison. There isn't a weak performance in the film and for as long as it is and all the events that occur, I think it's rather seamless.

Avengers might be my personal favorite comic book film ever made, but with a pretty corny beginning, a mediocre score, a thin story and no room for real memorable characterization (the closest I'd honestly say is the Hulk monster....because he's actually developed in this movie, but the others were fleshed out way more in their own respective franchises). So, to me the Avengers can only really be a 10/10 for action movies or superhero movies. Calling it a 10/10 when you have The Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, Kings Speech, or something along the lines like that doesn't feel right to me. I'd put a film like Inception a lot closer to those films than Avengers.

I think Godfather I & II are damn near flawless.

And yes, Inception is probably the closest Nolan's got to a 10.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I think Godfather I & II are damn near flawless.

And yes, Inception is probably the closest Nolan's got to a 10.

Yup! The Godfather II was amazing as well.

But I prefer to imagine that part III never happened.

 

[intothevoid]

I actually liked III but yes it's nowhere near the league of the first two

 

[The Josh]

Not really a fan if the godfather series. Not sure why to be honest.

 

[quadcent]

Not really a fan if the godfather series. Not sure why to be honest.

 

[crows]

Not really a fan if the godfather series. Not sure why to be honest.

I never liked the movies either. I never liked Scarface either which seems to be the holy grail for a lot of people. all okay movies but they do nothing for me. I think it depends on what type of movie you love, I rather watch a sci fi movie to be honest.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I never liked the movies either. I never liked Scarface either which seems to be the holy grail for a lot of people. all okay movies but they do nothing for me. I think it depends on what type of movie you love, I rather watch a sci fi movie to be honest.

In all fairness, comparing "Scarface" to the "The Godfather" is like comparing "X-Men" to "The Dark Knight".

Yes it's enjoyable, but anybody who appreciates film as art has to admire how timeless "The Godfather" saga is. But I've noticed on forums like these that cater around the superhero, sci-fi, fantasy genres, I'm in the minority as a Godfather fan. I expected those replies.

To me, the scenes where Michael meets his father's shooter in the restaurant, Vito makes Michael the head of the family, and Michael orders the death of the heads of the five families are some of the most superb scenes I've ever seen in cinema.

But different strokes.....I was never really impressed with the LotR series, aside form a couple of badass scenes. I havent watched any of them more than once. And the only one I'd say I "kind of" like is the first one.

 

[crows]

In all fairness, comparing "Scarface" to the "The Godfather" is like comparing "X-Men" to "The Dark Knight".

Yes it's enjoyable, but anybody who appreciates film as art has to admire how timeless "The Godfather" saga is. But I've noticed on forums like these that cater around the superhero, sci-fi, fantasy genres, I'm in the minority as a Godfather fan. I expected those replies.

To me, the scenes where Michael meets his father's shooter in the restaurant, Vito makes Michael the head of the family, and Michael orders the death of the heads of the five families are some of the most superb scenes I've ever seen in cinema.

I wasn't comparing the two movies but The Godfather reminded me of Scarface because of Al Pacino. Scarface is one of those movies where people love so much they have posters framed on their living rooms and their bed sheets are of the same picture. Once I made the mistake of saying I didn't like that movie at work and I couldn't hear the end of it from some guys lol

 

[batfan08]

The Godfather is arguably the greatest film ever made. The pacing is brilliant, every scene feels necessary, and, subsequently, Michael's corruption is natural. It packs a powerful punch when you see Vito's reaction, but you know that it is the beginning of the end for that young, idealistic man the moment that bullet hits Sollozzo. "That's my family, Kay. That's not me." Vito's dream died with Sollozzo, and the affirmation of that in the vineyard is absolutely heartbreaking. Some of my favorite moments in film are in that one, and, mark my words, some day, I'll track down that HT Ex...

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

The Godfather is arguably the greatest film ever made. The pacing is brilliant, every scene feels necessary, and, subsequently, Michael's corruption is natural. It packs a powerful punch when you see Vito's reaction, but you know that it is the beginning of the end for that young, idealistic man the moment that bullet hits Sollozzo. "That's my family, Kay. That's not me." Vito's dream died with Sollozzo, and the affirmation of that in the vineyard is absolutely heartbreaking. Some of my favorite moments in film are in that one, and, mark my words, some day, I'll track down that HT Ex...

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I wasn't comparing the two movies but The Godfather reminded me of Scarface because of Al Pacino. Scarface is one of those movies where people love so much they have posters framed on their living rooms and their bed sheets are of the same picture. Once I made the mistake of saying I didn't like that movie at work and I couldn't hear the end of it from some guys lol

I hear you I knew you weren't comparing them as well but you reminded me that everytime I ention the Godfather it isn't long until someone mentions Scarface.

The Godfather is arguably the greatest film ever made. The pacing is brilliant, every scene feels necessary, and, subsequently, Michael's corruption is natural. It packs a powerful punch when you see Vito's reaction, but you know that it is the beginning of the end for that young, idealistic man the moment that bullet hits Sollozzo. "That's my family, Kay. That's not me." Vito's dream died with Sollozzo, and the affirmation of that in the vineyard is absolutely heartbreaking. Some of my favorite moments in film are in that one, and, mark my words, some day, I'll track down that HT Ex...

That whole conversation in the vineyard..."I never wanted this for you. Senator..Corleone, President..Corleone.." is gold. And not to mention James Caan ad Robert Duvalle are such scene-stealers. Everywhere you look in the film is a reason to be blown away.

 

[EnShinNoi]

It's on track to topping TDKR in Australia but not The Avengers. It's only been a day though, and that day was Boxing Day, so perhaps not the best indication

 

[CelticPredator]

So, to me the Avengers can only really be a 10/10 for action movies or superhero movies. Calling it a 10/10 when you have The Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, Kings Speech, or something along the lines like that doesn't feel right to me. I'd put a film like Inception a lot closer to those films than Avengers.

Obviously.

 

[IronFingaz]

In all fairness, comparing "Scarface" to the "The Godfather" is like comparing "X-Men" to "The Dark Knight".

Yes it's enjoyable, but anybody who appreciates film as art has to admire how timeless "The Godfather" saga is. But I've noticed on forums like these that cater around the superhero, sci-fi, fantasy genres, I'm in the minority as a Godfather fan. I expected those replies.

To me, the scenes where Michael meets his father's shooter in the restaurant, Vito makes Michael the head of the family, and Michael orders the death of the heads of the five families are some of the most superb scenes I've ever seen in cinema.

But different strokes.....I was never really impressed with the LotR series, aside form a couple of badass scenes. I havent watched any of them more than once. And the only one I'd say I "kind of" like is the first one.

 

[CelticPredator]

Scarface is dumb as ****. Fun flick, but man.

 

[Niltusk]

Personally in my head if I'm rating something its going to be genre specific. If I just watched something balls out funny I'm not going to rate it compared to how it cinematically compares to the Godfather, I'm rating it against other comedies.

 

[DiFabio]

I like how almost everyone in these threads, and all across the interwebs act like pseudo, sophisticated film buffs or something. The ratings, the critics, the reviews, the awards, the presentations. Jeez. Who cares what you rate a movie, good or bad, action flick or drama? You know what you like and don't like, that's it really. It doesn't "feel right" to list film A with movie B? Obviously you're not going to put Adam Sandler's "Jack and Jill" with Citizen Kane or something, but why even make these "categories". They're all apart of the cinematic experience. Where do we get these attitudes from? Last time I checked, these weren't fine wines. It's fun, relaxation, a distraction from the crap that goes on "out there", yet we want to make them of greater importance and complicate them.

Each year it seems like people lose sight of the fact that these are made for simple entertainment, nothing more. We're not scholars, we're not professors, we're fans. I think how we've started to articulate our attachment or animosity towards certain films has gotten a little overboard since the internet and messageboards. Nothing is taken at face value anymore, it's got to be analytical and argued and categorized and explained.

I might come off as a hypocrite because I've really dug into a certain movie and pissed on it as of late, but that's only because it emerged from the excessive hyperbole we use to express what is "good" and what is "bad" these days.
















Goodfellas takes a **** on Scarface and Godfather. Now go get your ****ing shinebox.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ I agree, but film is still an artform. And while it's ultimately entertainment, it can be so much more.

 

[DiFabio]

But even art comes down to an opinion and is usually produced with a viewer in mind.

And what usually happens there? Different, clashing opinions. I might see something and say it's visceral and thought provoking, you might see that same thing and see a bunch of tasteless crap, even if the artist has explanations for why, what and how they did something. It's all subjective.

That's the problem that everyone seems to have, that a certain thing is "so much more". It's like nobody wants themselves or their work to be untypical or insignificant when that's exactly what they are. It's just expression, that's all, we all do it. It spoils the fun trying to complicate it or make it something more than it really is.