X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[crows]

I kind of wish Apocalypse just got all the horsemen at ONCE and brainwash them and then that be the end of that, I know thats not how it happens and i know it is more complicated, but
this movie wastes a WHOLE HOUR with nothing but set up.... They could have just cut some of the set up in the first hour.

 

[Khev]

I think Singer is just out of his element when it comes to delivering satisfying action. I really think he doesn't know how. What he CAN do is cap off weak action with a surprisingly emotional moment like Kitty Pryde closing her eyes as the future sentinels are about to blast her or Jean coming to Xavier's rescue in XMA. And that's the only reason those finales resonate, he delivers the goods in quite literally the last few seconds of each conflict. But up to those moments he just doesn't seem to know what he's doing.

He can do new people going "whoa" as they walk into the mansion, he can do Cerebro, he can do team members bickering with one another, he can do people suiting up and "getting ready." And so he just tries to spin those same wheels and hopefully pad 90% of any X-Men film with those moments before delivering something decent at the very end. The funny thing is it's a formula that isn't great but still basically works each and every time. If he did X3 I'm now convinced that it would have been basically the exact same movie but with slightly worse action and a slightly more poignant moment between Logan and Jean at the end.

 

[crows]

I dont understand how it can go from so amazing with Future past to so mediocre with this one...

it doesn't feel like the same people made it... doesnt even feel like from the same franchise... how can the quality drop so much?

 

[Khev]

Just returned from my 2nd viewing this time in 3D.

3D not worth the extra cost, it is not one of those super great conversion jobs. Some ok scenes in 3D, that's all.

Regarding the movie.

After my 1st viewing I gave it a 7 rating. (TWS 9 / CW 9.5).

5 things that bugged me the most after 1st viewing were:

1. Magneto's turn to good
2. Magneto walking away at the end after the destruction
3. Wolverine's silly helmet, weak Berserker Rage (again)
4. QS scene not as good as DOFP
5. Static Action

After my 2nd viewing I now give the movie an 8 rating, it went up because of that very thrilling ending that starts when Magneto throws down the steel frames to form that giant X, good exciting stuff followed up with a nice emotional scene between X and Moira followed up with another cool closing team formation scene , so a triple wammy hat trick of cool ending scenes that stirred the emotions.

Enough for me to feel comfortable giving it an 8!

I will wait until BvS Extended to give it my final rating.

Deadpool was a 5 for me.

Good to hear that it plays well on a second viewing but, damn, 8/10? That would pretty much put it on par with or better than *every* MCU film other than IM1, TWS and CW. You sure kara didn't hack your account?

 

[rushmore223]

Munn had almost no dialogue, director probably had no faith in her acting ability.

I found myself more interested in seeing a mutant movie that took place in the time period the film opened in, would be cool to see one set during the Dark ages as well. I know it wouldn't technically be a X-Men movie, but I'd go see it.

I thought the movie was good enough, I don't mind set up and exposition, I find overly long action scenes can get very boring.

I sat through the movie and kept trying to figure out why ( suddenly can't remember character name , but she was played by Famke Jaansen originally) seemed so familiar, only to have my Wife tell me it was Sansa Stark! Can't believe I didn't recognize her immediately.

 

[bboy]

I found the overall quality of this one to be much better. When I first saw dofp I was astonished at the reviews, I loved it to death but a lot of the acting was bad and the dialogue was horrible. But I think the overall plot was a stroke of genius and the most comic booky thing weve ever seen on screen. Here in this one the acting was acutally pretty good, even jennfer Lawrence. And the dialogue (while still had some great cheesey moments) wasn't as bad.

 

[Khev]

I thought the movie was good enough, I don't mind set up and exposition, I find overly long action scenes can get very boring.

Who said they wanted overly long and boring action scenes? "Good" was more along the lines of what I was hoping for.

In all seriousness the action was "good enough" in a mid-90's kind of way. Obviously retro action can be fun if it's intentional, but I get the impression with Singer that he's really at a loss as to what to do other than have a few characters pair up and have an okay looking duel before everyone screams and unleashes their powah.

 

[bboy]

yeah I suppose I enjoy those character moments and emotional scenes more than I do "good action"

 

[jye4ever]

what parts?

the wife getting shot? Charles getting bald? what were the moving parts for you? just wondering

I think it's just quicker if I lower my score.

Of course, the acting and drama worked here, as they always do in a Singer joint, even when there are other issues. Doesn't bother me that others don't have as refined a taste in film as myself, JYE.

I think Singer is just out of his element when it comes to delivering satisfying action. I really think he doesn't know how. What he CAN do is cap off weak action with a surprisingly emotional moment like Kitty Pryde closing her eyes as the future sentinels are about to blast her or Jean coming to Xavier's rescue in XMA. And that's the only reason those finales resonate, he delivers the goods in quite literally the last few seconds of each conflict. But up to those moments he just doesn't seem to know what he's doing.

He can do new people going "whoa" as they walk into the mansion, he can do Cerebro, he can do team members bickering with one another, he can do people suiting up and "getting ready." And so he just tries to spin those same wheels and hopefully pad 90% of any X-Men film with those moments before delivering something decent at the very end. The funny thing is it's a formula that isn't great but still basically works each and every time. If he did X3 I'm now convinced that it would have been basically the exact same movie but with slightly worse action and a slightly more poignant moment between Logan and Jean at the end.

Good analysis.

Good to hear that it plays well on a second viewing but, damn, 8/10? That would pretty much put it on par with or better than *every* MCU film other than IM1, TWS and CW. You sure kara didn't hack your account?

8 is a little high isn't it.

A 6 it is then.

Munn had almost no dialogue, director probably had no faith in her acting ability.

I found myself more interested in seeing a mutant movie that took place in the time period the film opened in, would be cool to see one set during the Dark ages as well. I know it wouldn't technically be a X-Men movie, but I'd go see it.

I thought the movie was good enough, I don't mind set up and exposition, I find overly long action scenes can get very boring.

I sat through the movie and kept trying to figure out why ( suddenly can't remember character name , but she was played by Famke Jaansen originally) seemed so familiar, only to have my Wife tell me it was Sansa Stark! Can't believe I didn't recognize her immediately.

I liked her voice.

I have never seen her before.

Umm, why didn't she just use her mind powers again on the soldiers instead of releasing Wolverine.

I absolutely loved the music-chorus in the beginning.

XM theme always makes me excited and drum my legs.

 

[meanstreak]

I didn't think the action was bad in this film. You are talking about characters who have powers fighting each other, they don't have to rely on jumping on someones back and flipping them to the ground like Black Widow or kicking cars like Captain America. They aren't required to have fighting skills and they are even now just starting to get trained to fight (last scene of the film)

Psylocke had a cool little fight because she's supposed to be a skilled ninja

They all certainly fought better than Scarlet Witch who just moves her hands, who is the only character I'd compare to Mutants because she's technically one

 

[rushmore223]

Jye, don't feel the need to buckle to peer pressure!

Unless its giving Star Wars a great review

 

[RIDDICK]

 

[crows]

I found the overall quality of this one to be much better. When I first saw dofp I was astonished at the reviews, I loved it to death but a lot of the acting was bad and the dialogue was horrible. But I think the overall plot was a stroke of genius and the most comic booky thing weve ever seen on screen. Here in this one the acting was acutally pretty good, even jennfer Lawrence. And the dialogue (while still had some great cheesey moments) wasn't as bad.

Future past was much more iconic, had better action, had better stakes. it was more relatable, it felt more serious, more organized,
Future past had better flow

 

[Khev]

I didn't think the action was bad in this film. You are talking about characters who have powers fighting each other, they don't have to rely on jumping on someones back and flipping them to the ground like Black Widow or kicking cars like Captain America. They aren't required to have fighting skills and they are even now just starting to get trained to fight (last scene of the film)

Psylocke had a cool little fight because she's supposed to be a skilled ninja

They all certainly fought better than Scarlet Witch who just moves her hands, who is the only character I'd compare to Mutants because she's technically one

I don't think Singer gets a pass because the mutants use powers instead of martial arts. Look what he did with Blink in DOFP. Her scenes were genius, IMO. That's what I want more of. And Whedon and the Russos were actually pretty creative with SW. Yes she waves her hands around but that translates to drones being ripped in half, vehicles being tossed around, allies being flung three stories to attack enemies, smashing people down a mile deep hole in the earth, etc. It's not just all about the visual but how those visuals are used to enhance the excitement and drama.

 

[jye4ever]

Jye, don't feel the need to buckle to peer pressure!

Unless its giving Star Wars a great review

I agree...

I'm giving XMA a 9!

 

[Victοr]

Wait, what? She's literally supposed to be Logan himself as a young female?

In a way. In the books, the sample from Logan's blood was damaged, and after 22 attempts, it was evident they couldn't salvage the Y chromosome, so the doctor tried with a female clone, which worked. Thus, X-23 was born. She has a weird history, even being used as a prostitute by a pimp. Eventually, Logantrained her, and protected her as if she were his daughter. Currently, she's THE Wolverine (if you exclude Old Man Logan that is).

 

[GasparZizou]

I just watched this for free and I rarely say this, but boy am I glad I didn't pay...

This **** was BOOOOOORING, it was excruciating to watch a some points.

Neither the depth and action of BvS, nor the lightheartedness and humor of CW. Only some fading vestiges of what made the previous good X-men movies good.

This was AoU without the fun, and it even makes AoU action look exciting as ****.

The Good
-1st act
-Some very very good lines:

-"You can fire your arrows from the tower of Babel, but you can never strike God"
-Intro monologue
-You will not win, because you're alone.
etc etc

-Jean walking on air
-Storm hot as ****, accent makes ears melt
-Kurt Wagner
-Quick Silver
-Didn't kill Jubilee
-Danger Room
-Score

The bad
-CGI
-Felt dulled and bored out of my ****ing mind with the action, completely unimaginative. And I'm very very good being empathetic with the action, physicality, etc etc of superheroes, I was exaggerating when I saw CW had 2000's wire work, it really was just wonky a bit.. THIS **** is 2000's wire work at its WORST. Singer has NO idea how objects, bodies and forces behave.
-They tried a return of the jedi with quicksilver, thank god they didn't go through with it.
-They're in the mind realm, and they do a fist fight.... a fist fight in the mind realm. **** YOU!
-Apoc only gets bigger in mind realm.
-Metal X so dumb.
-Mystique
-Cinematography

Meh
-Wolverine
-Overall script and story
-Most of the fan service
-Phoenix

They tried
-Oscar Isaac, kudos for this guy, committed to the role, even a very meh role.

This movie made the whole god thing boring to me, and I LOVE Gods and mythology...Also, I'm not one of the clapping seals who often goes "back to Marvel", but ****, I have no interest whatsoever in this universe anymore, there's absolutely NOTHING they can do anymore, they exhausted every possibility they could.

What can they do next?
-More social/philosophical commentary? Exhausted and I don't care anymore about these characters and universe.
-More Charles and Erik "old friend" banter? Exhausted and I don't care anymore.
-Go full comicbook/MCU? Singer proved beyond doubt he can't do that, this is Singervere equivalent of an MCU movie and damn if it isn't just as bad or worse than a low end MCU movie...

So yeah, let Marvel take this back, even Deadpool, the R-rating didn't help that movie outside of adding profanity.

First time in a while I've been angry at a movie.

Singer is obsolete, his skills are outdated, his way was great for the introduction period of CBM back in the 2000's and his good movies remain as good as they ever were, but he needs to go.

**** this/10.

 

[olbertfrog]

Ouch:

X-Men: Apocalypse finished in second with an estimated $22.3 million, a 66% drop from its opening weekend, much steeper than expected and is now likely to find the film finishing somewhere in the range of $160-165 million domestically. For some perspective, that's just over where the first X-Men film finished back in 2000, is right around where X-Men: Days of Future Past was after just ten days in release, where Deadpool was at after just five days and less than Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice made in its opening weekend.


Internationally, however, X-Men: Apocalypse is delivering. The film brought in an estimated $84.4 million this weekend, which includes an estimated $59 million in China, the second largest Fox opening in China behind only the Titanic re-release and $20 million more than Days of Future Past opened with. The film's international total is now up to $286 million, bringing its global cume to just over $400 million, currently placing it within the top ten for 2016. Should this trend continue, Apocalypse would end somewhere around $650 million globally, which is about $100 million less than Days of Future Past.

****** movie.
Deserves its "bad" scores.
If they continue They need to get rid of singer.

 

[crows]

I just watched this for free and I rarely say this, but boy am I glad I didn't pay...

This **** was BOOOOOORING, it was excruciating to watch a some points.

Neither the depth and action of BvS, nor the lightheartedness and humor of CW. Only some fading vestiges of what made the previous good X-men movies good.

This was AoU without the fun, and it even makes AoU action look exciting as ****.

The Good
-1st act
-Some very very good lines:
-Jean walking on air
-Storm hot as ****, accent makes ears melt
-Kurt Wagner
-Quick Silver
-Didn't kill Jubilee
-Danger Room
-Score

The bad
-CGI
-Felt dulled and bored out of my ****ing mind with the action, completely unimaginative. And I'm very very good being empathetic with the action, physicality, etc etc of superheroes, I was exaggerating when I saw CW had 2000's wire work, it really was just wonky a bit.. THIS **** is 2000's wire work at its WORST. Singer has NO idea how objects, bodies and forces behave.
-They tried a return of the jedi with quicksilver, thank god they didn't go through with it.
-They're in the mind realm, and they do a fist fight.... a fist fight in the mind realm. **** YOU!
-Apoc only gets bigger in mind realm.
-Metal X so dumb.
-Mystique
-Cinematography

Meh
-Wolverine
-Overall script and story
-Most of the fan service
-Phoenix

They tried
-Oscar Isaac, kudos for this guy, committed to the role, even a very meh role.

This movie made the whole god thing boring to me, and I LOVE Gods and mythology...Also, I'm not one of the clapping seals who often goes "back to Marvel", but ****, I have no interest whatsoever in this universe anymore, there's absolutely NOTHING they can do anymore, they exhausted every possibility they could.

What can they do next?
-More social/philosophical commentary? Exhausted and I don't care anymore about these characters and universe.
-More Charles and Erik "old friend" banter? Exhausted and I don't care anymore.
-Go full comicbook/MCU? Singer proved beyond doubt he can't do that, this is Singervere equivalent of an MCU movie and damn if it isn't just as bad or worse than a low end MCU movie...

So yeah, let Marvel take this back, even Deadpool, the R-rating didn't help that movie outside of adding profanity.

First time in a while I've been angry at a movie.

Singer is obsolete, his skills are outdated, his way was great for the introduction period of CBM back in the 2000's and his good movies remain as good as they ever were, but he needs to go.

**** this/10.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

I just watched this for free and I rarely say this, but boy am I glad I didn't pay...

This **** was BOOOOOORING, it was excruciating to watch a some points.

Neither the depth and action of BvS, nor the lightheartedness and humor of CW. Only some fading vestiges of what made the previous good X-men movies good.

This was AoU without the fun, and it even makes AoU action look exciting as ****.

The Good
-1st act
-Some very very good lines:
-Jean walking on air
-Storm hot as ****, accent makes ears melt
-Kurt Wagner
-Quick Silver
-Didn't kill Jubilee
-Danger Room
-Score

The bad
-CGI
-Felt dulled and bored out of my ****ing mind with the action, completely unimaginative. And I'm very very good being empathetic with the action, physicality, etc etc of superheroes, I was exaggerating when I saw CW had 2000's wire work, it really was just wonky a bit.. THIS **** is 2000's wire work at its WORST. Singer has NO idea how objects, bodies and forces behave.
-They tried a return of the jedi with quicksilver, thank god they didn't go through with it.
-They're in the mind realm, and they do a fist fight.... a fist fight in the mind realm. **** YOU!
-Apoc only gets bigger in mind realm.
-Metal X so dumb.
-Mystique
-Cinematography

Meh
-Wolverine
-Overall script and story
-Most of the fan service
-Phoenix

They tried
-Oscar Isaac, kudos for this guy, committed to the role, even a very meh role.

This movie made the whole god thing boring to me, and I LOVE Gods and mythology...Also, I'm not one of the clapping seals who often goes "back to Marvel", but ****, I have no interest whatsoever in this universe anymore, there's absolutely NOTHING they can do anymore, they exhausted every possibility they could.

What can they do next?
-More social/philosophical commentary? Exhausted and I don't care anymore about these characters and universe.
-More Charles and Erik "old friend" banter? Exhausted and I don't care anymore.
-Go full comicbook/MCU? Singer proved beyond doubt he can't do that, this is Singervere equivalent of an MCU movie and damn if it isn't just as bad or worse than a low end MCU movie...

So yeah, let Marvel take this back, even Deadpool, the R-rating didn't help that movie outside of adding profanity.

First time in a while I've been angry at a movie.

Singer is obsolete, his skills are outdated, his way was great for the introduction period of CBM back in the 2000's and his good movies remain as good as they ever were, but he needs to go.

**** this/10.