1/6 Hot Toys Rogue One: JYN ERSO

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Good, someone gets it.

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People with hate in their hearts will always find something to moan about, but that guy sees the good in everything.

 

[davejames]

There were definitely a lot of cool individual moments and scenes in the prequels (pretty much anything involving Maul or Palpatine, for starters). But in my mind it just never added up to an overall good story or movie. Especially when you had such dull characters and an Anakin whose downfall was handled as poorly and unconvincingly as it was. Which was kinda the most important thing the prequels had to get right.

 

[Wor-Gar]

you guys know that Jedi aren't real and have magical abilities, right?

I knew someone would bring that up. Magic.

Kind of a cop out, don't ya think? Because that magic is very selective about when they can run fast or flip out of trouble.

Good, someone gets it.

I understand its a fairy tale, and I enjoy moments and 'things' from the prequels like everyone else, but you have to admit there are many problems with the PT films and the way they were handled.

We all have "bad" movies that we love from our childhood. But after a certain age you have to become more discerning.

I don't know what its like, but I'm sure it must be very frustrating to grow up loving some movies only to learn later just how many people really don't like them.

 

[JonEl]

I knew someone would bring that up. Magic.

Kind of a cop out, don't ya think? Because that magic is very selective about when they can run fast or flip out of trouble.



I understand its a fairy tale, and I enjoy moments and 'things' from the prequels like everyone else, but you have to admit there are many problems with the PT films and the way they were handled.

We all have "bad" movies that we love from our childhood. But after a certain age you have to become more discerning.

Yeah like RotJ...it's a pretty bad movie, but it gets a pass since it's from some people's childhood...interesting that the PT doesn't get the same slack cut for it.

 

[davejames]

ROTJ definitely isn't at the level of the first two, or as serious as some fans would like it to be, but that doesn't make it a "bad movie". In fact taken on it's own terms it's still a helluva lot more entertaining than a lot of today's blockbusters, I think.

 

[Wor-Gar]

ROTJ benefits from the first two excellent films before it with everyone's favorite characters returning for what really is just "Star Wars Greatest Hits" revisited.

ROTJ is probably as poorly made as the PT films... but it has characters that everyone loves, its shorter, and its a conclusion. Being the finale gives it some slack, just as ROTS gets a lot of slack for being the one PT story that everyone actually wanted to see.

I'd put ROTJ and ROTS on the same level... but ROTJ has a lot more characters that I care about. So it gets a leg up.

 

[Khev]

ROTJ ends on such a high note too with the quadruple threat of Luke going off on Vader, Vader taking out the Emperor, the exploding Death Star, and the funeral pyre. All followed by a satisfying (if somewhat cheesy) celebration that closes everything out.

Compared to the horrendous one/two punch of "losing the will to live" and "Nooooooo" followed by two characters we don't care about staring at a green screen sunset.

That's one reason I'm confident that Rogue One will endure any backlash raised against it. Any movie that ends with 40 minutes of pure awesome which then segues beautifully into the classic trilogy will always have a claim to fame.

 

[Wor-Gar]

ROTJ ends on such a high note too with the quadruple threat of Luke going off on Vader, Vader taking out the Emperor, the exploding Death Star, and the funeral pyre. All followed by a satisfying (if somewhat cheesy) celebration that closes everything out.

Yes, except I'm not so sure the "special" ending with the extended Ewok dance party is satisfying.

I always wondered why our heroes were partying with Ewoks when they should have been celebrating with their Rebellion counterparts -- the ones who gave up so much for so long. Only Wedge shows up. And he bailed out of the first battle.

I wonder if he left the Ewok party early, saying "I can't stay with you."

 

[Khev]

Ackbar and his Calamari cronies were partying with the heroes. I think Leia was just milking their stay in order to have the ewoks knit one or two more custom dresses for her.

But yeah I meant the original theatrical celebration only, not the SE. Even in his redeemed spiritual state Hayden looked creepy and like he was undressing Luke with his eyes.

 

[Travis Baumann]

ROTJ benefits from the first two excellent films before it with everyone's favorite characters returning for what really is just "Star Wars Greatest Hits" revisited.

I loved the hell out of ROTJ when it came out in theaters.

Upon subsequent adult rewatching, I still really like everything about the beginning part at Jabba's palace and sail barge (not the Special Edition version dance number though, that takes me out of the movie every fricking time). I think the parts with the Emperor are pretty awesome too, we never really saw him but in a broken up transmission prior and he lived up to being more horrific than Vader which was pretty rewarding.

I absolutely loved the speeder bike scene as a kid and still find it pretty cool. Loved the biker scouts, the AT-ST's and stuff.

Ewoks were fine as a kid but human eating teddy bears are kind of annoying now yet still more exciting than cartoon droids and clones shooting at each other for an hour...

Special Editions suck and they stole some of ROTJ thunder as I groan at every Ewok blink and especially at Hayden Anakin Force ghost at the end but it hurt Jabba's part the worst.

Oh, and then there is the part of Leia in the metal bikini... I was pretty young when it came out and one of the first women on the big screen I remember stirring things inside me and rewatching it, I still love her.

 

[FlyAndFight]

Speaking of Wedge, and to further derail this thread, there's one character that definitely deserves a figure. He's in all 3 OT movies- he's part of the attack on the first Death Star, he takes down an AT-AT in the second and is jointly responsible for destroying the second Death Star in the third. Not bad for Ewan McGregor's uncle...

As for the Prequels, it always appeared to me that Lucas was surrounded by "Yes-Men" and thus no one dared question his decisions (plot, characters, lines, etc...)

 

[Khev]

Dennis Lawson turned down JJ's request to appear in TFA. We also know that Poe Dameron was originally supposed to die when the TIE Fighter crashed on Jakku. So I wonder if Wedge was originally supposed to lead the attack on Starkiller Base.

This is him in 2015, looks like he kept in pretty good shape.

 

[Travis Baumann]

As for the Prequels, it always appeared to me that Lucas was surrounded by "Yes-Men" and thus no one dared question his decisions (plot, characters, lines, etc...)

Interviews at the time said he was using his 8 year old son as his primary sounding board for PTM... not joking.

At 8 years old though, I still would have told him that the 2 headed announcer was rubbish, the star shaped racer was idiotic, poop jokes are worthless, undoing all of ESB's force mysticism with retarded pseudo science was fundamentally wrong, and that making characters with voices more cartoonish than Goofy from Disney was a mistake.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It's all Jett's fault.

 

[TonTon]

Have to echo some of the thoughts on ROTJ, it still works for a number of reasons that Wor, Dave, Khev and Travis pointed out.

I don't watch the special editions--seems like more folks (looking at you Travis) need to get ahold of Harmy editions. I'll just start promoting it in every thread.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Harmy! Harmy!





OK, speaking of Jyn... we were, weren't we?


Are you sad this scene -- and ass shot -- never made it into the movie?

 

[Khev]

Harmy! Harmy!





OK, speaking of Jyn... we were, weren't we?


Are you sad this scene -- and ass shot -- never made it into the movie?

Before the movie came out I assumed her disguise was that of a TIE Pilot and that that Fighter might be her get away vehicle. After seeing it though I'm guessing that that Fighter saw her approaching the signal terminal and hovered over to blow her away, probably right before being taken out by a passing X-Wing. If that's the case I'm glad they ditched it because it would have been basically the same gag they did earlier with the AT-ACT.

 

[The Iron Koob]

I read somewhere that the shot was just test CGI footage and was never meant to be in the film but the trailer guys threw it in. Same as a lot of the other shots we didn't see in the film, but this shot was mentioned specifically. I also heard the director himself say it in a podcast. I think it was the Empire Movie Podcast.

 

[Khev]

Another ass shot that didn't make the final cut:

 

[Futurion]

I'm truly still at a loss for what the Jedi were supposed to be. Policemen? Arbitrators? Medicine men? What in real life is anything like a Jedi?

Besides that, if you go with the premise, then why don't they know things? Why can't they at least sense the Force, good or bad? Every problem that they find themselves in, from the gas room at the beginning of TPM to the secret baby Amidala is carrying seems to go right over the Jedi heads. If they're not really "in tune" with the Force and they can be gunned down -- all of them -- then what the hell was there purpose?

What good are they?

UN troops basically. Blue helmets of our reality. Just not that useless I guess


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