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This company is running along the model to implode better than any I have seen.. Lets Jack prices, lower quality, and literally deceive our customer base by taking what was once a limited numbered release, and changing one or two pieces that come with it and shade the paint slightly different and call it new. If they were improving on previous releases (lord knows most of them need it) that would be fine.. but they are taking the same exact sculpts and regurgitating them. Fett's chest armor is still F'ed and has to be modded. And then there are those who pull the line "If you don't like it, don't buy it".. well this guy has stopped purchasing sideshow pieces since the Tusken Raider...which is when i believe they "jumped the shark" with collecting. I had purchased just about every star wars figure up until that point besides the PT ones... then I had enough.. and put my money where my mouth is. Never thought I would pass on an R2 and C3po... but I did. strictly Hot toys now.. which seem to be cheaper and better quality which is mind blowing at this point.
 
I mean legally binding in the sense if a company specifically tells a customer in writing "once this limited item is gone, it's gone" the "limited" aspect is part of what the customer is paying for. It's part of the terms of the sale, part of what the customer paid for. There's been cases where art collectors have sued major photographers after they paid for "limited edition" prints, only to have the photographer issue more prints later.

All that aside, this type of thing just makes Sideshow look bad in the eyes of the very people they should care most about - their longtime customers, which is a steadily shrinking fan base anyway.

And as I said previously, if you missed out on IG-88 but were prepared to wait, the regular could be had for not a huge amount over retail even recently (I saw one go for $235 only a month or so ago, vs. $185 orig retail - if it was released today as a new figure it would be $250 easy) so it was not really one of the "ridiculous scalper prices" type figures like SSC Greedo.
There is a difference when you say something is limited and then release the EXACT same thing, if there are changes you have no breach that "contact" that you wont sell more of this limited item. I find it interesting that this makes SS look bad yet no one seems to care that HT did this and would likely stab their neighbor in the back for HT figure.
 
There is a difference when you say something is limited and then release the EXACT same thing, if there are changes you have no breach that "contact" that you wont sell more of this limited item. I find it interesting that this makes SS look bad yet no one seems to care that HT did this and would likely stab their neighbor in the back for HT figure.
Which Hot Toys figure with a numbered edition are you referring to?
 
Which Hot Toys figure with a numbered edition are you referring to?
Reissues are reissues. How many times did they remake some of the early Marvel figures? Or are they ok because you didn't think you have on of X figures and you knew what X was?
 
Reissues are reissues. How many times did they remake some of the early Marvel figures? Or are they ok because you didn't think you have on of X figures and you knew what X was?

I think it's definitely worse when they've told customers a specific number. It's a huge change in the way they do business and perceptually it's a turn-off for a lot of folks even if it happens to benefit them on a particular figure.

But the e-web re-release they've shown for pre-order is identical (they're using the same photos) and that had a numbered edition. IG-88 is yet to be determined, but I think the guess is it'll be identical minus the stand. Not sure what else could be taken away or changed (touch activated head?).

If they release Bossk with a new head sculpt then that doesn't seem as big a deal, that's a significant upgrade.
 
I'm with ya TonTon

For me, a lot of the annoyance stems from a fundamental shift that Sideshow has taken with this license. When it started the clear stance from Sideshow that once an item was sold out it would never be sold again (with the exception of a variant or possible v2 at a later date). And for 10 years the Sideshow license has operated that way.

However, now within the last year we have seen premium formats, lifesize busts and numerous 1/6 items be re-released with little to no tweaks, usually just less stuff. In the case of the E-Web Cannon it's a straight reissue of an item that was limited to (I think) 2000 pieces and in others a few things were possibly improved like the coloring of Fett or the glove size on Vader.

v2's are common in collecting and totally fine since it's a new (usually improved version). And you can also have variants... IG-88 with a Clone War deco for instance would be fine. But a straight reissue on things that were sold under the guise that they would not be reissued is not cool.
 
Reissues are reissues. How many times did they remake some of the early Marvel figures? Or are they ok because you didn't think you have on of X figures and you knew what X was?


You don't seem to get it. HT never limited anything, so buyers can assume whatever they want once it's sold out. Sideshow on the other hand EXPRESSLY stated the figures were limited, and had NEVER re-released anything, sticking to their binding agreement all the way until recently.

SSC Greedo and Han EX's were even "limited" to 1977 pieces. Sideshow didn't just state these figures were "limited," they made a BIG deal out of the limited number and turned it into a major marketing gimmick. So okay, re-release Greedo... and make 1977 people out to be idiots.

Collectors can be a bit like abused spouses - they just go with whatever their benefactor does, even if the rules have fundamentally changed. They'll even make up excuses for them. EVERYONE understands what it means when you say limited, and there's no way a court would agree that dropping a stand or even an EX accessory (non-EX's were limited too) is a "different" release.

I don't own that many SSC figures and would honestly welcome the shot at many of these older figs but for me this represents the implosion of the company I expected to get a HOth Rebel Soldier out of for around $160, and that company is now dead. Skyrocketing prices and re-releases being the last supernova of a dying star.
 
You don't seem to get it. HT never limited anything, so buyers can assume whatever they want once it's sold out. Sideshow on the other hand EXPRESSLY stated the figures were limited, and had NEVER re-released anything, sticking to their binding agreement all the way until recently.

SSC Greedo and Han EX's were even "limited" to 1977 pieces. Sideshow didn't just state these figures were "limited," they made a BIG deal out of the limited number and turned it into a major marketing gimmick. So okay, re-release Greedo... and make 1977 people out to be idiots.

Collectors can be a bit like abused spouses - they just go with whatever their benefactor does, even if the rules have fundamentally changed. They'll even make up excuses for them. EVERYONE understands what it means when you say limited, and there's no way a court would agree that dropping a stand or even an EX accessory (non-EX's were limited too) is a "different" release.

I don't own that many SSC figures and would honestly welcome the shot at many of these older figs but for me this represents the implosion of the company I expected to get a HOth Rebel Soldier out of for around $160, and that company is now dead. Skyrocketing prices and re-releases being the last supernova of a dying star.
So I can call HT and get all those figures that are sold out sweet? Do I need to drop your name?
 
So I can call HT and get all those figures that are sold out sweet? Do I need to drop your name?

What are you talking about?:rotfl

Your point was invalid, and getting snarky or flailing arms doesn't change that.:lol
 
I would stop...you are look dumb here.

I'm not sure what he's actually even saying. Maybe he views HT figures like Apple Jacks - "they were available ten years ago, so why aren't they available now?!":gah::rotfl

TaliBane - I'd give up if I were you. If he doesn't get your point, then he doesn't.

Hey, I only responded once.:dunno:lol

Though to be fair, it's hard to argue with someone when they're just talking crazy.
 
You don't seem to get it. HT never limited anything, so buyers can assume whatever they want once it's sold out. Sideshow on the other hand EXPRESSLY stated the figures were limited, and had NEVER re-released anything, sticking to their binding agreement all the way until recently.

SSC Greedo and Han EX's were even "limited" to 1977 pieces. Sideshow didn't just state these figures were "limited," they made a BIG deal out of the limited number and turned it into a major marketing gimmick. So okay, re-release Greedo... and make 1977 people out to be idiots.

Collectors can be a bit like abused spouses - they just go with whatever their benefactor does, even if the rules have fundamentally changed. They'll even make up excuses for them. EVERYONE understands what it means when you say limited, and there's no way a court would agree that dropping a stand or even an EX accessory (non-EX's were limited too) is a "different" release.

I don't own that many SSC figures and would honestly welcome the shot at many of these older figs but for me this represents the implosion of the company I expected to get a HOth Rebel Soldier out of for around $160, and that company is now dead. Skyrocketing prices and re-releases being the last supernova of a dying star.

Aren't people taking this a bit seriously? All this talk about the legality of making a new run skates over the fact that we're talking about dollies for grown-ups.

If we're going to talk about courts and binding agreements maybe we should also talk about the morality of a few fans who happened to be in a position to buy these figures suggesting that newer fans shouldn't have the chance to collect characters from the most beloved franchise of all time.
 
Though to be fair, it's hard to argue with someone when they're just talking crazy.
You mean like a person who think the HT has a binding agreement and never limited anything which is flat out incorrect. Or person who think the court will find that a modified item would be consider it to be the same a limited edition and thus a breach of some implied contract?
 
Aren't people taking this a bit seriously? All this talk about the legality of making a new run skates over the fact that we're talking about dollies for grown-ups.

If we're going to talk about courts and binding agreements maybe we should also talk about the morality of a few fans who happened to be in a position to buy these figures suggesting that newer fans shouldn't have the chance to collect characters from the most beloved franchise of all time.

You are not a "collector" so I get your stance. Guess what non of us are anymore due to this business practice. There is BIG business in collectibles or you would not see anyone raising a feather about this type of thing. I do collect certain things like 1:1 custom light sabers and I have the 1:1 EFX prop replica ANH Stormtrooper helmet. There are ways for companies to appease their collectors and get around limited edition sizes and still produce products that people want.

When I first got into the 1/6th arena, I gave up collecting any other scale figure and some other collections as well as there just isn't room, money, or time for everything. I never plan to sell any of my figures, even the ones that are really outdated and kind of stupid looking by today's standards but at the same time, If my wife gave me grief over too many purchases (like right before Christmas with the HT SW line) I liked being able to point to a given figure and go "but that one there is now worth three times what I paid for it". I never plan to see it, and quite frankly I would have some guilt selling an open figure to anyone for that much even if they were begging for it but none the less, it did make my wife somewhat less annoyed with my ever-growing collecting habits.

I am actually not angry that newer collectors, or collectors that had to make hard choices about their financial outpourings at the time of this and other releases now have a chance to get them. Unfortunately, if SSC ups the price and downgrades the pack-in, you are nearly being scalped anyways (unless they actually make improvements).

My annoyance (anger is too strong) is that the company as a whole seems to be slipping further and further away from doing its products justice and actually giving a damn. How about some actual NEW product announcements in tandem with re-releases? Smaller companies are getting better and better and faster and faster with their product output while the Behemoth that is SSC has crawled to a stall and has put out less and less challenging pieces design-wise while making the ones they do put out with some very serious problems and failed process'. On top of that, their prices continue to climb past their contemporaries whose products, while not perfect, do outshine their own recent output.

So if we are not "Collectors" and no longer care about the quality of the product then what are we? In my mind, a HIGH END COLLECTIBLE was not necessarily about having something that no one else did. It was LIMITED because it was so WELL MADE. It could not be mass produced because it was hand-crafted. By re-releasing these, we see that these are just molds to be pulled out of retirement, box art to be repurposed, and items to be mass marketed. This is disheartening to me, not because all of you can now share in this figure but because it feels that we are no longer getting what we once did and paying more for it.
 
Aren't people taking this a bit seriously? All this talk about the legality of making a new run skates over the fact that we're talking about dollies for grown-ups.

If we're going to talk about courts and binding agreements maybe we should also talk about the morality of a few fans who happened to be in a position to buy these figures suggesting that newer fans shouldn't have the chance to collect characters from the most beloved franchise of all time.

The life size Sideshow Fett and Han Carbonite are both listed as a "limited edition." Before shipping, they cost $7,000 and $8,000.

Maybe they're just extra jumbo dollies for grown-ups, but doesn't that create an ice hole for skating over your "storm in a teacup" view of the facts? I mean at what pricepoint DOES it become serious to you? A PF statue for $600, a bust for $2,000? The principle is the same, but the money paid by a SSC customer for "exclusivity" can be as high as you want.

And if you read my post that you quoted, I stated I "would honestly welcome the shot at many of these older figures." I don't own most of these, I AM that "newer fan" - so how does that affect your vision of my "morality"?

"most beloved franchise of all time":slap It's more honest to just suddenly yell "look over there!" as a way to distract from the truth.:rotfl
 
HT increasing their numbers is likewise shady... but at least semi reasonable as the figures are still in production or were recently. I can't think of any instance where they rereleased an item that had been sold out for years like this. IG-88 shipped in December of 2012.

One other point is that when you buy a limited edition, collectible, whatever you also factor that part of the high cost is that there are a smaller number being made. Hasbro can release 12" figures and sell them for $20 or $30 because they make 10s of thousands of them. Sideshow makes 2,000 to 5,000 and charge $200, but that's okay as we know smaller ES and higher quality equals a higher price. But when you later double that ES it is affecting the value that the original and new item have. Just like if someone offers a run of custom head sculpts... Only 25 being made and then charge $100 for each head. But if later on they feel bad for those that missed out and people are paying $200 to get one off eBey, they still shouldn't release 25, or 50 more to counterbalance that.

And I'm not against anyone owning a collectible... but it's not like new ones need to be made everytime a collector misses out. I've missed out on figures and paid a premium afterward to get one. I've also missed out/waited and saved a bunch of money as the price dropped. It's just part of collecting.

Just because you didn't get a Yakface in 1985 doesn't mean Kenner should rerelease it... you just pay extra to get one or decide you'd rather not and save your money.
 
Sideshow was even clear in the past when they did intend to keep an ES open... just look at the 1:1 Vader Bust (regular version) or 1:1 Combat Endoskull. They continued to make them for years, but you knew that going into it.

These rereleased figures were never sold as open ES or were collectors given any indication they'd later be rereleased. Hell, most of them were easily available long after they shipped; IG-88 being one of them.
 
I don't mind that Sideshow is re-selling their junkie stuff. Get more people hooked; maybe it will up the interest rather than "flood the market".

The majority of this stuff is as worthless as most other "toys and collectibles".
 
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