ALIENS THE OFFICIAL MOVIE THREAD

[FACEBOX]

4 hands?

 

[pjam]

Reposting. Anyone know the answer?

What's gong on with this bendy hands issue? Did someone say they weren't? Who said this? Do they have a kit?

I'd like to know...

From HT Product Page:

ALIENS 16" Alien Warrior
Model kit

Product code: MMS38
In-stock:YES
Exclusive:--

ALIENS 1:6th SCALE MODEL KIT

~ A Movie Masterpiece Series ~

Product description:

- approximate 16" High Fully Articulated Alien Warrior Model Kit
- features the bendable hands, tail and a set of extending set of inner jaws
- simple assembly is required

{Release in 2nd Qtr 2007}

ALIENS TM & © 1986, 2007 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All Rights Reserved.

 

[dekadentdave]

Wow, Les's diatribe echoes my sentiments of most of Sideshow's half-assed efforts.

And Les, BENDY-HANDS are included.

Also, the blue hues are painted on to give it the aesthethic look from the lighting in the film. I know you prefer the black and brown look of the costumes so I will be anticipating your uncanny repaint of him that will make it look closer to what you are looking for. You repainted the Elder Predator and made him much more than anyone here could have imagined it to look, I have no doubt you will do it again.

I think the arguments over this figure are trivial. There will always be some technical innacuracies but it's something we've all either had to live with or had to fix ourselves. The Aliens warrior is no different and I'm sure the Alien version will have its quirks as well but that will be an argument for a later day.

 

[Dassy]

Looking good!

Mine here Next Week,Wonder how many Variants will be in the works!

 

[abake]

Oh, I'm expecting at least one: battle-damaged alien!
Not sure if I'll get more than one though...

 

[pjam]

Oh, I'm expecting at least one: battle-damaged alien!
Not sure if I'll get more than one though...

Oh, we WILL se a BD Warrior IMO, BUT it may a Blister Exclusive ala BD Scar Pred, very limited. I would LOVE to get my hands on one of those, would make a great set of 2 which is all I need.

And if ya can't get one and the sculpt is basically the same, why not do up your own custom with day-glo type green paint?

Easy to do, just drip it on!

 

[figuremasterles]

I only got the inference from one of Facebox's posts, just a few before mine, that the hands were not posable, and thought he or someone had the figure and was informing us as much. Hence his query about the four hands thing. I agree, why two sets if one is a posable?

BUT....

If I read the inflections in your posts correctly Paul, you are not a "self professed expert on Giger". And I hope your sarcasm wasn't meant to infer that regarding myself, but see, I have studied his art seriously since 1979, when copying his art taught me how to shade, techniques I still use to this day...and his aesthetic is one I did learn to appreciate and love over time, and, I do note the subtle differences in Aliens, as do many, many other FANS, and feel a tad let down by a TOY company that charges over $100 for a figure not worth that anymore to me. So, I express my disdain in what was to me, a safe and open discourse arena.

Plus, you wanna talk about rained on parades...I spent a long time awaiting what I thought would be THE quintesential figure. And it just is not.

But, as you suggest, I am putting my money where my mouth is. Or removing it that is. I just cancelled my figure. No repaint of it is now due from me. No more complaining. You can warm and fuzzy over it all day without me.

This expressed verbal limit on freedom of expression about something I have a dear love for, has made me very irritated. How dare anyone here, tell anyone what to accept! Every day, someone who doesn't accept some headsculpt sends one to me or someone else. Someone, somewhere, wants it more perfect than it was!

That is all I was trying to express. Still. Six months later...

If that is the tone of this area, this ALIENS area, that I should just accept how the namesake figure, AN ALIEN, is not up to par, then why bother posting at all?

Why stay.

I erred in assuming the hands weren't posable. I was not informed enough. For that I apologize. I will not make that mistake again.

I hope you enjoy your figures.
I hope all of you do. I am glad they made them for you.

Forgive my anger, but I am. And I see dissenting opinions are not wanted here. I leave it to you all to resolve and/or enjoy all this then.

I am sorry. I can't help how I feel.
I won't mention this terrible letdown of a figure again. You have my word.

 

[abake]

A couple of side by sides I thought would be interesting...

Proto vs. Prod piece:

AvP vs. Aliens

And size comparison:

 

[Dassy]

Anyone fancy the Kotobukiya Alien and Predator 1/6th Figures?

Also
Anyone here bought Elder Pred on Throne!

Paul

 

[pjam]

I only got the inference from one of Facebox's posts, just a few before mine, that the hands were not posable, and thought he or someone had the figure and was informing us as much. Hence his query about the four hands thing. I agree, why two sets if one is a posable?

BUT....

If I read the inflections in your posts correctly Paul, you are not a "self professed expert on Giger". And I hope your sarcasm wasn't meant to infer that regarding myself, but see, I have studied his art seriously since 1979, when copying his art taught me how to shade, techniques I still use to this day...and his aesthetic is one I did learn to appreciate and love over time, and, I do note the subtle differences in Aliens, as do many, many other FANS, and feel a tad let down by a TOY company that charges over $100 for a figure not worth that anymore to me. So, I express my disdain in what was to me, a safe and open discourse arena.

Plus, you wanna talk about rained on parades...I spent a long time awaiting what I thought would be THE quintesential figure. And it just is not.

But, as you suggest, I am putting my money where my mouth is. Or removing it that is. I just cancelled my figure. No repaint of it is now due from me. No more complaining. You can warm and fuzzy over it all day without me.

This expressed verbal limit on freedom of expression about something I have a dear love for, has made me very irritated. How dare anyone here, tell anyone what to accept! Every day, someone who doesn't accept some headsculpt sends one to me or someone else. Someone, somewhere, wants it more perfect than it was!

That is all I was trying to express. Still. Six months later...

If that is the tone of this area, this ALIENS area, that I should just accept how the namesake figure, AN ALIEN, is not up to par, then why bother posting at all?

Why stay.

I erred in assuming the hands weren't posable. I was not informed enough. For that I apologize. I will not make that mistake again.

I hope you enjoy your figures.
I hope all of you do. I am glad they made them for you.

Forgive my anger, but I am. And I see dissenting opinions are not wanted here. I leave it to you all to resolve and/or enjoy all this then.

I am sorry. I can't help how I feel.
I won't mention this terrible letdown of a figure again. You have my word.

Ah... no, that is NOT what I was saying, Les. At all. And I apologize to ANYONE who took it that way. Raising freedom of expression and all, especially to a writer, you know better than that.

My Point: We covered this issue six months ago. I personally wrote to Howard Chan and the HT Design team to passionately plea for these corrections, pointed out the inaccuracies, as did Abake, as did Seward or Indiana Fett, I forget who and we posted our emails on this board for all to see. We took those steps, we took time out, made the effort on behalf and benefit of ALL COLLECTORS and ALIENS FREAKS. We went through this process, this angst, this venting and we heard back from HT. Basically, thanks for your comments but it may be too late to make changes at this stage in the development process. We heard back. Game over... life goes on, this is the version we are getting and it is too late to go back.

Then the posts (by others) dredging all this up after it was explained and understood. Point made, Fine. No problem. Then beaten to death after the fact. Some are displeased, some not so much but that is water under the bridge, so it gets to a point of irritation to some who have accepted this interpretation of the Warrior and are excited to receive it, nits and all. No offense to anyone who is unhappy, but there is a point, when, nothing more can be done to correct those changes as it were, and that time passed long ago.

I do hope everyone getting this is happy with it and for those who won't I appreciate your concern and passion for detail and accuracy, we all do I'm sure of that.

 

[abake]

That alien is absolutely wicked!

EDIT: I was, of course, refering to Dassy's post... although the HT Aliens alien is also wicked!

 

[dekadentdave]

Les my man, I hear your disappointment but you of all people? You have the talent and the expertise to make this figure more than it is, to become something that resembles more of what your Giger impassioned idea should be. Look at the incredible work you did on the Predator Elder! You could apply your brushes to this figure and make it into a masterpiece!

I am disappointed that you are giving up on the challenge. It's not like you Les. You are ALWAYS up for a good challenge to your abilities and I think you could turn your frustrations into an incredible work of art.

It's your choice to cancel but I am disappointed I will not be seeing a Figuremaster Les™ Aliens Warrior repaint anytime soon.

That is very disheartening.

 

[MaulFan]

Pjam, I'm going to do some test images tonight with the AVP warrior to see how the crawlers could work out like we talked about last night.

 

[Dassy]

That alien is absolutely wicked!

EDIT: I was, of course, refering to Dassy's post... although the HT Aliens alien is also wicked!

Ha


Link Below for more Images!
https://www.kotobukiya.co.jp/item/page/artfx_avp_walien/index.shtml

 

[abake]

Les my man, I hear your disappointment but you of all people? You have the talent and the expertise to make this figure more than it is, to become something that resembles more of what your Giger impassioned idea should be. Look at the incredible work you did on the Predator Elder! You could apply your brushes to this figure and make it into a masterpiece!

I am disappointed that you are giving up on the challenge. It's not like you Les. You are ALWAYS up for a good challenge to your abilities and I think you could turn your frustrations into an incredible work of art.

It's your choice to cancel but I am disappointed I will not be seeing a Figuremaster Les™ Aliens Warrior repaint anytime soon.

That is very disheartening.

Actually, if you want to see one truly magnificent Aliens drone, check out Les' marvelous customization of the McF Alien! Now, that is very very close to the look of the drones from Aliens. Much closer than any repaint could bring the HT Aliens drone to look.

Anyway, the HT Aliens drone is magnificent. Just not movie accurate. That's all. I'm disappointed, but such is life. Maybe some day I'll have enough money to ask Les to customize one of the McF aliens for me. For the time being, I'm getting a kick ass figure inspired in the look of the aliens in Aliens.
Is it the best it could be? No, far from it. Even the articulation could be much much better, but it is what it is and I'm still getting it.
Hopefully HT will take all the constructive criticism we sent them to heart and give us the ultimate Giger alien!

 

[pjam]

Pjam, I'm going to do some test images tonight with the AVP warrior to see how the crawlers could work out like we talked about last night.

Now that is cool, have fun!

Hopefully HT will take all the constructive criticism we sent them to heart and give us the ultimate Giger alien!

Dittos here. I don't know what else we could have done.

 

[abake]

And here's a look at Les' wonderful custom Aliens alien:

I hope you don't mind my re-posting your pics here Les.

Ahhh, such a thing of beauty!
Where's the update on your Alien xeno, BTW?
Man, I can't wait to see that!

 

[FACEBOX]

LES.

I feel the exact same way you do, but I wouldn't go as far as to cancel or quit because of negative responses towards my opinions.

Didn't mean to get you in any trouble by commenting on the extra hands either. It was just an "Oh hell, please tell me I'm wrong" moment.

I know pjam and others sent many e-mails to Hot Toys, etc.
I was just expressing my opinions because I didn't know they got a response from Hot Toys, but felt like I others thought I was being an a$$ or whatever. That's the reason why I had to keep repeating myself over, and over, and over, and over, and over.......

I'm better off just being an observer here.

 

[figuremasterles]

No Facebox, it's not you bro.
I overreacted.

I admit I am tired. Not just overworked but overemotional due to a lot going on here at home I can't do much about. That takes a toll on you after a while. Seeing someone you know and love go down in health and not be able to make much difference about it.

This Alien thing brought that out in me I guess. Seeing something not how I dreamed it could be. Something that made me mad when I am really not mad at the guys at all. Just at Hot Toys.

I sorta shot my load in all directions. And at Paul. I am sorry Paul. Openly so.
I didn't let what you and the others did to try to help us all out, sink in to my feeble mind while writing that diatribe, and just got madder and madder the more I wrote. And you and your attempt to help everyone enjoy what is coming out, just got in the way. I respect that now for what it is. I missed that point completely.

I am unhappy with the toy, and that is all it is, a toy, so DUH, I really blew that one too.

Anyway, I WAS WRONG.
There. Said it.

It is a nice figure. I might can fix one somehow. Some way, to my liking.

And we are not alone Facebox, but I think the time is too late to bother now. I just didn't get that. All those new shots of the figure just brought it all back to me. I really haven't thought much about it since it was announced.

Hope I didn't rain on any parades.

Maybe I can still get one later on. And/or touch up one for someone.

For what it's worth, I am working on a full-out, fully posable custom, derived from the Tsukuda Aliens warrior kit, that will rival this one somewhat, I hope. And, I may end up getting a Hot Toy somehow anyway.

I hope this one does bring lots of joy to you guys. And again, sorry if my rant rankled. I didn't mean it to. Enjoy these. As they are gonna make life miserable for those Marines you all now have standing by....

And thanks Abake. That was very kind.

 

[abake]

Don't mention it Les, your custom still is the most accurate representation I've seen. Until you unveil your Tsukuda custom, that is!
Can't wait to see it!