Batman : Arkham Origins (2013) Asylum Prequel

[GasparZizou]

I feel like a bad batfan for not playing AC yet, I haz to plays it thoon.

 

[Psycho]

Can't wait for this game, its gonna be awesome.... For those who have not read the Game Informer, here it is https://imgur.com/a/y3UO2

 

[Ex-Parrot]

I actually suspect that the new game was originally planned and set up as DLC for Arkham City, and has been further expanded by the bean counters into a fully fledged game instead, to plug the gap while waiting for Rocksteady to have time to make a third entry into the Arkham series (giving them time to focus on that other project they are were looking at working on).

As I recall, back when AC was released Rocksteady went on about how expandable that game was made to be, and how they had big plans for DLC content, that could conceivably take the existing game and expand on it, adding new missions and areas. Yet all we ever got, as far as that went was the Harley DLC.

Yet this new game is in large part a reskin of the Arkham City Map, plus a new expanded area, which just makes me wonder about the true origins of the project a bit.

On the upside, if my suspicions are in any way correct, then that is an advantage for the new game, in an odd sort of a way, as all the core mechanics of the game should be in place, and all they really need to work on is a new storyline and mission/enemy sets, plus some expanded new areas and tweaking of existing stuff, so in that case we shouldn't have to worry too much about this turning out to be a stinker. I'd expect it to be more along the lines of an Assassins Creed sequel like Brotherhood and Revelations, where there was a new story and a few new things to do, but all in all it really wasn't that different as far as the core of the game and it's setting goes.

Just have to wait and see, I suppose.

 

[Jameson Rook]

I guess it's pretty much confirmed that Kevin Conroy will be back? There was a debate on his absence on Batman Year One that he "can't do a young voice". "Perchance to Dream" and "Gotham Knights" beg to differ.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Don't like McKenzie on Year One. 'All it takes is a change of complekshun'

STFU OC boy.

 

[Snake Plissken]

I guess it's pretty much confirmed that Kevin Conroy will be back? There was a debate on his absence on Batman Year One that he "can't do a young voice". "Perchance to Dream" and "Gotham Knights" beg to differ.

I think Kevin Conroy is good for any timeframe for Batman, I just can't hear him speak without Conroy it's just unnatural.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Don't like McKenzie on Year One. 'All it takes is a change of complekshun'

STFU OC boy.

It was probably a miscast, McKenzie was the worst Batman voice ever.

I think Kevin Conroy is good for any timeframe for Batman, I just can't hear him speak without Conroy it's just unnatural.

Hope WB doesn't pull a MGSV on us. Conroy did state that he would play Batman as long as he's needed.

This is old news, but in case anybody's not aware, Conroy does not have a Twitter account. It's a fake that has been "verified" and even other VAs thought it was him.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I just want to know who's writing it.

 

[Jameson Rook]

I just want to know who's writing it.

Not Paul Dini that's for sure. I sure hope he returns for the Rocksteady Batman game though & I hope they got someone from the comics to write this, just not Kevin Smith.

 

[Ex-Parrot]

I thought Geoff Johns was involved, or did I dream that?

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

I thought Geoff Johns was involved, or did I dream that?

Dear God, I hope not. i love Johns' take on the GL universe. And he is writing a great Aquaman series right now. But he does not get Batman. His Batman Earth One, graphic novel was bad. He missed on the obvious stuff. If they are getting a comic writer that's not Paul Dini, I hope they go with Scott Snyder, maybe even Peter Tomasi. or they could just call Bruce Timm as he wrote many of the BTAS eps with Dini & Co.

 

[sfa]

Yeah, according to the Game Informer article, Geoff Johns is involved in some capacity with the story for Arkham Origins. It doesn't specify wether or not he's the chief writer or just a consultant, but he is involved somehow.

I personally liked the Batman: Earth One GN, but I've not read anything else of his. I'm just gonna reserve judgement on this games story until I've played it.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

Yeah, according to the Game Informer article, Geoff Johns is involved in some capacity with the story for Arkham Origins. It doesn't specify wether or not he's the chief writer or just a consultant, but he is involved somehow.

I personally liked the Batman: Earth One GN, but I've not read anything else of his. I'm just gonna reserve judgement on this games story until I've played it.

His Green Lantern run has been amazing. Sinestro Corp War and Blackest Night are among the best stories written in modern comics IMO. Batman: Earth One just was a misstep for me. Especially after the brilliance that was Superman: Earth One. I guess the problem with it was that B:EO was always going to be compared to Year One. And Year One is a flawless version of Bruce's origin.

 

[DarkMagic]

Ohhh I hope there's no Robin, his appearance in AC was bad enough. Though, his design was bad ***, it doesn't make him any less of a lamer character.

Batman is suppose to be alone. Not have some 12 year old kid wearing green spandex fighting crime with him!

Now, if he's done right, yes he can be awesome. (I'd take a Batman Beyond type of storyline over him running with batman any day.)

Zach, what's your problem with Robin exactly? It it's when he's portrayed as a "12 year old kid" then what's your problem with him as he was portrayed in AC and BTAS (Grayson version), where he clearly is NOT a kid?

But you see, Batman can go through every single trial you've described, without a Robin. He's useless. He's put in for younger readers.

True, that is why he was introduced---to appeal to younger kids. But he's lasted so long because he works.

Have you ever seen the TNBA episode "Never Fear"? Even though it's a Tim Drake episode, it perfectly shows why Robin is necessary for Batman, sometimes to save him from himself.

Robin works as a character, and has for the last 60 years. He functions much in the same way the Doctor's companions do(especially under Moffat and Davies). He keeps Batman grounded. Keeps Bruce from being consumed by the monster he's created.

Exactly, as in the Never Fear episode.

But see, Batman doesn't need a therapist. That's what makes him great, to see him deal with these problems on his own. He's a loner, when I think of batman, I think of him perched on top of a building watching Gotham below. Not fighting crime with some 12 year old spandexed out side-kick. .

Except Batman isn't a total loner. If he was, he wouldn't need the supporting characters of Alfred or Gordon. They serve a slightly different role than Robin does, but none of those three (Alfred, Gordon, or Robin) primarily are "therapists" for Batman. The character that most closely fits that description is Leslie Thompkins.

No, I started hating Robin when he showed up in TAS. To this day, I won't read a batman novel that has Robin in it. I don't read the comics, I read the graphic Novels, so maybe that's why.

I can deal with Nightwing, etc.. An OLDER companion to Batman, but a grade school boy? get da **** outta here...

I respect your opinion though.

Again, so what's wrong with the BTAS version? He IS an OLDER companion like you prefer instead of a grade school boy. Is it just the bright costume design you don't like? In Arkham City he is BOTH and OLDER companion and has a bad *** design. All your boxes are checked. What's missing?

The 60's was awesome. People need to stop ****ing putting down the 60's stuff. It was a different time; that doesn't make it any less valid.

We're just saying that 60's batman gave Robin that silly image that hasn't been able to shake off, 60's Batman was great indeed.

@Batfan, right on. The 60s Batman was right for it's time. Not my personal cup of tea, but I understand why people like it. If 60s Batman is what gave Robin the silly image in people's minds, then what was Batman on that show? Serious?

 

[GasparZizou]

Great post Dark Magic, I agree 100% on what you said.

 

[sfa]

His Green Lantern run has been amazing. Sinestro Corp War and Blackest Night are among the best stories written in modern comics IMO. Batman: Earth One just was a misstep for me. Especially after the brilliance that was Superman: Earth One. I guess the problem with it was that B:EO was always going to be compared to Year One. And Year One is a flawless version of Bruce's origin.

Oh yeah I definitely agree with you about Year One, but I still enjoyed Earth One for what it was - an elseworlds take on the origin story. Helps that the art in it was fantastic too.

If I remember correctly, the Game Informer Geoff Johns interview did state that the Arkham Origins Batman wouldn't be anything like the Batman from Earth One though.

 

[Rambler]

Loved the first two games. This is a definite day one purchase for me, if I don't pre-order it before then.

 

[batfan08]

Zach, what's your problem with Robin exactly? It it's when he's portrayed as a "12 year old kid" then what's your problem with him as he was portrayed in AC and BTAS (Grayson version), where he clearly is NOT a kid?



True, that is why he was introduced---to appeal to younger kids. But he's lasted so long because he works.

Have you ever seen the TNBA episode "Never Fear"? Even though it's a Tim Drake episode, it perfectly shows why Robin is necessary for Batman, sometimes to save him from himself.



Exactly, as in the Never Fear episode.



Except Batman isn't a total loner. If he was, he wouldn't need the supporting characters of Alfred or Gordon. They serve a slightly different role than Robin does, but none of those three (Alfred, Gordon, or Robin) primarily are "therapists" for Batman. The character that most closely fits that description is Leslie Thompkins.



Again, so what's wrong with the BTAS version? He IS an OLDER companion like you prefer instead of a grade school boy. Is it just the bright costume design you don't like? In Arkham City he is BOTH and OLDER companion and has a bad *** design. All your boxes are checked. What's missing?





@Batfan, right on. The 60s Batman was right for it's time. Not my personal cup of tea, but I understand why people like it. If 60s Batman is what gave Robin the silly image in people's minds, then what was Batman on that show? Serious?

Speaking of 60's Batman. There are a couple of things I'm curious about. One, and this is a more general question, do you guys think we'll see skins available this time around, again? If so, could we, theoretically, see some Adam West skins, since WB is allowed to license the property for merchandise?

 

[ZaCHw117]

Zach, what's your problem with Robin exactly? It it's when he's portrayed as a "12 year old kid" then what's your problem with him as he was portrayed in AC and BTAS (Grayson version), where he clearly is NOT a kid?



True, that is why he was introduced---to appeal to younger kids. But he's lasted so long because he works.

Have you ever seen the TNBA episode "Never Fear"? Even though it's a Tim Drake episode, it perfectly shows why Robin is necessary for Batman, sometimes to save him from himself.



Exactly, as in the Never Fear episode.



Except Batman isn't a total loner. If he was, he wouldn't need the supporting characters of Alfred or Gordon. They serve a slightly different role than Robin does, but none of those three (Alfred, Gordon, or Robin) primarily are "therapists" for Batman. The character that most closely fits that description is Leslie Thompkins.



Again, so what's wrong with the BTAS version? He IS an OLDER companion like you prefer instead of a grade school boy. Is it just the bright costume design you don't like? In Arkham City he is BOTH and OLDER companion and has a bad *** design. All your boxes are checked. What's missing?





@Batfan, right on. The 60s Batman was right for it's time. Not my personal cup of tea, but I understand why people like it. If 60s Batman is what gave Robin the silly image in people's minds, then what was Batman on that show? Serious?

Ok, well, I don't like him. I understand why people like him but I don't. Batman fights crime alone, yeah, he get's help from Alfred and Gordon, BUT they don't wear green spandex, have a high voice and aren't 12 years old. I like my batman somewhat grounded, bringing in a sidekick just doesn't do it for me. It's not only Robin, EVERY SIDEKICK IS CHEESY AS HELL.

I could easily put up with an older-relatable "partner" but Robin just doesn't do it for me. His cameo in AC was cheap, and the worst part of the game, he still had that "ahh but baaaaatttmmmmmaaaaann... why can't I?" whiny preteen vibe going on. His outfit was cool though.

I'm fine with him, and accept him as a part of certain batman elements, but the character, for me is just plain, not batman. It's the very opposite, why would batman wan't a kid around? In fact, that would be the last thing I think he would wan't, a little kid running by his side and annoying the **** out of him at every turn.

Now, if done right (TDKR and Batman Beyond come to mind) a somewhat "Robin" type character could work after Bruce has put up the cowl for good.

 

[JonD7]

I've always hated Robin as well... but I actually liked him on Arkham City.