Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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Yeah, they've succeeded with Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man. They're moving ahead with Dr. Strange and Black Panther movies. I don't think Marvel is overly concerned with their prospects at success moving forward. Though there's also nothing on the horizon to suggest that any reboots are needed in the MCU.

I think WB would be forgiven for not having such faith in their "universe" thus far, though. I wouldn't be shocked if we were looking at another Batman reboot in 4 or 5 years. But yeah, he's the gift that keeps on giving. So, I'm sure they aren't worried about their ability to keep pimping him out as a focus of their DC films. They may just move on from Superman soon, though. Suicide Squad seems more up their alley, given their Snyder/Goyer-centric approach to things.
 
Goyer has gone the way of the Dodo.
I think that's a positive, even though he was probably beneficial to the Nolan films. You can't turn everything in DC into Batman-lite. And you certainly shouldn't insult Martian Manhunter. He is the kind of guy this "universe" needs to balance out some of the grit and cynicism.

Plus, WB is losing a fortune in potential Oreo endorsements.
 
Well the geek news speculation has been that he fell out of favor, and was a scapegoat (justifiably so) for a lot of what went bad with Man of Steel. IrishJedi would know better than any of the rest of us if there is any truth to that, but it made some intuitive sense to me. His cluelessness in some respects was backed up by some of his public comments.
 
I still think the ideas at play in Man of Steel were pretty good, for the most part, but it's just that Goyer's way too sketchy as a screenwriter. "Pa Kent dying in order to keep his son safe." Not a bad idea on paper, but then you filter it through the lens of "Pa Kent gets his leg pinned trying to save the family pet and gets sucked into a tornado while his son stands idly by," and you want to gag.

"Superman not being able to save everyone" and there being "collateral damage when Titans fight." Okay. I can roll with that. When filtered through the lens of "let's have Superman run Zod through a 7-11 populated by people he's probably known since childhood and cause it to blow up because he's upset that they threatened his mom, but really because we have to find a place where we can fit our 7-11, IHOP, and SEARS endorsements in, so that we can recoup half our budget," once again, blurgh.

Over the years, I've come to realize that that has to be the only reason for the battle of Smallville. Simply put: you can't sell adspace in a corn field. Which, speaking of endorsements, can we all just give a hand to Pete Ross? Because that really has to suck. Going from being the Vice President of the US in one continuity to being the manager of an IHOP as some sort of gag...that guy needs all the support he can get.

Then, of course, we get to "Clark needs to be careful in order to protect his secret and himself." Enter "Goyer-vision," Jonathan Kent straight-up tells Clark he should've just sat there and let a bunch of 12-year olds drown to protect his secret." That's not Pa Kent. It's okay for the man to be uncertain, as he's an average guy thrust into an extraordinary situation, but for him to even suggest that the situation with the greatest loss of life could be preferable to Clark saving kids totally goes against the grain of everything Pa Kent has always been: Clark's role model and a man of true integrity.

And I think the biggest problem is that all of this stuff, inevitably, causes more problems. Like Zod's death. I don't think people would have minded his killing Zod to save people nearly as much, had he been putting forth more of an effort to save lives earlier on. I've defended the movie before and said, well, he saved the pilots, and the guys on the oil rig, and Christopher Meloni, and all that's a great start, but, literally, the battle of Smallville was Superman's fault, more than anyone's. He could've driven Zod to any number of unpopulated venues (it's ****ing Kansas, for God's sake; there's thousands of acres of farmland in Smallville, alone).

Then, there's the kiss with Lois. I get it, it's not a Superman movie unless Superman connects with Lois on an emotional level, but here's a thought "why not just roll it into the Metropolis montage at the end?" Clark Kent comes to the Daily Planet, and while he's there, he asks Lois if she wants to grab a cup of coffee. She gives him the whole "sure, Superman" wink and nod, and that's the end of it, but taking a break to get some nookie while a genocidal maniac with the power of a god just sits there waiting for you is a little much.

Even still, though, after all that, I still thought it was a decent movie, overall, and I believed the good outweighed the bad, for the most part. Suffice it to say, I think it's a smart move going ahead with Goyer, as he's far too hit and miss to be a key player in building this universe. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Snyder is as good as his script, and, if Terrio did a great job, then, I think this movie will be just fine.
 
The credits sequence of Watchmen was pure brilliance......most amazing... I can watch it over and over....Snyder was firing on all cylinders for that...
 
I think WB would be forgiven for not having such faith in their "universe" thus far, though.

Well, their "universe" has yet to be deployed on screen.

Bats vs. Supes: Dawn Keballs will be crammed with characters to jump-start Justice League, but how much world-building can be accomplished in one film?

Even a competent studio (which WB ain't) would be hard-pressed to replicate in months what Marvel has spent eight years accomplishing.


Snyder is as good as his script

Didn't Alan Moore give him the script for Watchmen, though?

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The credits sequence of Watchmen was pure brilliance......most amazing... I can watch it over and over....Snyder was firing on all cylinders for that...

He wasn't responsible for the title sequence as far as I can remember, I heard Lloyd Levin talk about it at one point.
 
I agree! That was a great intro!

True that. For example, I still maintain that the Theatrical cut of FOTR is a masterpiece, while the Extended... is not.

Often times, less is more.

I agree with that, but the Lord of the Rings is my favorite story-line, so I appreciated it as a fan. I only have a chance to watch movies in half-hour or 45 minute segments, so I prefer getting the tighter pacing and sticking with the book for the extra content. Since BvS is an original movie, I want it all! :lol

I think that's a positive, even though he was probably beneficial to the Nolan films. You can't turn everything in DC into Batman-lite. And you certainly shouldn't insult Martian Manhunter. He is the kind of guy this "universe" needs to balance out some of the grit and cynicism.

I think that was the problem with the first Amazing Spider-man movie. I love Batman, and I have Batman for Batman; I don't need Batman lite—we already have enough Batman that are Batman-lite. :lol

I felt like the way they used Martian Manhunter in that Justice League New Frontier movie was absolutely perfect, and its my favorite Justice League origin and movie thus far. Come to think of it, Martian Manhunter is the most consistently written Justice Leaguer that I love after Batman and Wally West. In a previous post I said that I don't really care for the highly super-powered characters, but I've always loved those two along with everyone in the Teen Titans and Young Justice.

If they do introduce MM and Wally in these movies, I hope they don't use the New 52 interpretation of Martian Manhunter an Anti-Superman working for the government and Wally a thuggish bratty African American child. I'm all for diversity, but I rather they make a new speedster than call him Wally because I really like that character.
 
I actually best like the Wolfman/Perez Wally West, who was politically conservative (unusual for a popular comic character to wear that on his sleeve) and was forced into an early retirement before Crisis on Infinite Earths. He was one of the more angsty Titans back then, but has since been turned into a happy-go-lucky funny guy in some iterations. The Young Justice Kid Flash morphed into him a bit in season 2, though.
 
I agree with your post Batfan08! I'm confident in this film because of Affleck's and Terrio's involvement. Although, and forgive my ignorance, but why does everyone blame Goyer so much and not Nolan and Snyder? Aren't they responsible for what makes into in the film?

I actually best like the Wolfman/Perez Wally West, who was politically conservative (unusual for a popular comic character to wear that on his sleeve) and was forced into an early retirement before Crisis on Infinite Earths. He was one of the more angsty Titans back then, but has since been turned into a happy-go-lucky funny guy in some iterations. The Young Justice Kid Flash morphed into him a bit in season 2, though.

Completely agree. He's the DC character I related to the most (Cyclops and Nightcrawler for Marvel) and...I don't want to do this to my Batman, but Wally West was probably my favorite DC character to read because how how he progressed. I didn't like him when he'd get all self-righteous with characters (especially Raven), but it was fantastic characterization. Everything about him was so believable, and I loved that DC allowed him to get married and have kids.

I loved the Justice League Unlimited man-child version, but I preferred the Young Justice version since he was closer to my Wally. Aw, man...I love Wally so much!:lol I just haven't read those comics in so long, but since Batman has great self-contained stories, Batman will always be fresher in my head. I need to go back and read those Teen Titans comics. I think Wolfman's New Teen Titans is my favorite comic book run after Frank Miller's Daredevil.
 
Yeah, "New" Teen Titans is one of my favorite comic runs also. Up there with the Claremont/Byrne X-Men run, all the Stan Lee/Kirby collaborations in the early-mid '60s, and Byrne's Fantastic Four in the '80s.
 
He wasn't responsible for the title sequence as far as I can remember, I heard Lloyd Levin talk about it at one point.

On the contrary, the WATCHMEN credits sequence is pure Zack (aside from the titles text itself... that was done by an FX company... Maybe that's what you heard Levin referring to?). Zack wrote and shot every image in that sequence (with the exception of the Hiroshima shot, which was all CG). He even filmed the"news" footage of a burning Vietcong seen on the black & white TV.

Edited to add: He even filmed a cool gag that he ultimately cut out of that sequence: The Comedian raising the U.S. flag on Iwo Jima BY HIMSELF. I guess he figured that might piss off one too many people. :lol
 
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Yeah, "New" Teen Titans is one of my favorite comic runs also. Up there with the Claremont/Byrne X-Men run, all the Stan Lee/Kirby collaborations in the early-mid '60s, and Byrne's Fantastic Four in the '80s.

I haven't read Bryne's Fantastic Four, but I've heard it's great. DC-wise, I'm most familiar with the Batman Universe, Teen Titans, Young Justice, Wally West, Deathstroke the Terminator, and Justice League (As long as it's Batman or Wally related). And then on the Marvel side: X-Men, Captain America, and Daredevil.




I don't know this was posted, but here's a new BvS commercial for the Jeep Renegade. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but I figured a couple of you guys might like it:

 
On the contrary, the WATCHMEN credits sequence is pure Zack (aside from the titles text itself... that was done by an FX company... Maybe that's what you heard Levin referring to?). Zack wrote and shot every image in that sequence (with the exception of the Hiroshima shot, which was all CG). He even filmed the"news" footage of a burning Vietcong seen on the black & white TV.

Edited to add: He even filmed a cool gag that he ultimately cut out of that sequence: The Comedian raising the U.S. flag on Iwo Jima BY HIMSELF. I guess he figured that might piss off one too many people. :lol

I read that Spielberg allowed Snyder to shoot the scenes featuring the alien beings from outer space that appeared at the end of A.I. Artificial Intelligence. Do you have any more specifics about that Carl?
 
I haven't read Bryne's Fantastic Four, but I've heard it's great. DC-wise, I'm most familiar with the Batman Universe, Teen Titans, Young Justice, Wally West, Deathstroke the Terminator, and Justice League (As long as it's Batman or Wally related). And then on the Marvel side: X-Men, Captain America, and Daredevil.




I don't know this was posted, but here's a new BvS commercial for the Jeep Renegade. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but I figured a couple of you guys might like it:



At least this makes more sense than those SW car commercials.
 
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