Cannabis Poll

[BadMoon]

AHA has done exactly the opposite. It's forced the healthy uninsured into the rate pool to mitigate the costs created by the unhealthy who use insurance like toilet paper.

What's funny is that insurance used to be something used for major medical events like pregnancy, heart attack, etc. At one point, people actually paid for healthcare because it was cheap enough. None of the solutions being presented now even acknowledge that healthcare costs are out of control and that no amount of insurance manipulation is going to solve that problem.

You are right about that. The reason health insurance is so expensive is because health care is expensive. It's really that simple. If you really want to get depressed look into the cost of long term care services. I forget the exact statistics but if we reach a certain age we have a 50% chance of needing long term care. This care literally costs 100's of thousands as it stands today depending on how long you live. Man I don't want to think about what it will cost when and if I make it to 80.

That said everyone can thank our leadership for what's about to happen to the cost of care. It's going to soar and more people will have no coverage. The exact opposite of what they were trying to accomplish. Younger people will simply just pay the tax penalty rather than pay high premiums. They will be forced into paying for high premiums because their rates will go up thanks to the elimination of underwriting. So instead of paying huge premiums they will just pay the penalty and risk it. Larger companies will just drop hours below 30 hours a week so they don't have to offer benefits. So employees who used to have a good full time job will now have to work two part time jobs and still won't be able to afford benefit or really be eligible under a group plan. Some companies over 50 employees may just pay the penalties out right and not offer benefits because it will be cheaper to pay the penalty.

People will see what they've done with their vote soon enough. There are companies doing this now to their employees. Heck I sell insurance. You would think my sales would increase because everyone will need coverage right? Nope, and I may be out of a job in years to come. What they are doing really is ****ing this up so bad so that they can force universal healthcare on us.

 

[DPrime]

The arguments against government health care seem silly to most Canadians, lol. All the doom and gloom, sheesh.

So, one thing I keep hearing in favor of legalizing marijuana is so we can tax it... But how do you do that when anyone can just make their own?

Is that a reason why the government doesn't bother? Can't see the dollar signs like they do with cigarettes and alcohol?

Bear in mind I am pro-legalization. Just a point I thought needed bringing up.

 

[BadMoon]

The arguments against government health care seem silly to most Canadians, lol. All the doom and gloom, sheesh.

So, one thing I keep hearing in favor of legalizing marijuana is so we can tax it... But how do you do that when anyone can just make their own?

Is that a reason why the government doesn't bother? Can't see the dollar signs like they do with cigarettes and alcohol?

Bear in mind I am pro-legalization. Just a point I thought needed bringing up.

You must be a healthy Canadian.

 

[denger4000]

I don't touch that nasty ****

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

I don't touch nasty **** either, just the bomb.com

 

[Adoptedscot]

I've been told I should try it as it's good for ailments like arthritis and other things. So while I never have, I think I would try it just to see if it would help.

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[DPrime]

You must be a healthy Canadian.

A few instances of Canadians going to US doesn't mean we're heading there in droves, if that's what you're getting at. No system is perfect and there are going to be complaints that make the news but in my 35 years of living here I have NEVER heard anyone complain in person. We are very appreciative of what we have.

 

[The Ween]

If you get into a car accident what do you think is going to happen to your rates?

Insurance is bought for you to protect yourself agains a future unkown loss. For example lets say you pay $3,000 a year in premiums. Now that is a very low rate keep in mind. You go to a physical and they find cancer and want to aggressively treat it. I bet in the first year you have racked up at least $250,000 worth of claims. You only paid the insurance company $3,000 remember? So they have lost $247,000 paying on your claims. So yes they are going to raise your rates. Now with group coverage there are more people to spread that risk. So if you are in a group of 500 that increase won't be that severe because other members are paying premium and helping to share that loss. If you are in a group of 10 then well the group is pretty much screwed.

I don't see the insurance companies hurting for money. Any kind of insurance for that matter. They make damn good money.

 

[The Ween]

You are right about that. The reason health insurance is so expensive is because health care is expensive. It's really that simple. If you really want to get depressed look into the cost of long term care services. I forget the exact statistics but if we reach a certain age we have a 50% chance of needing long term care. This care literally costs 100's of thousands as it stands today depending on how long you live. Man I don't want to think about what it will cost when and if I make it to 80.

That said everyone can thank our leadership for what's about to happen to the cost of care. It's going to soar and more people will have no coverage. The exact opposite of what they were trying to accomplish. Younger people will simply just pay the tax penalty rather than pay high premiums. They will be forced into paying for high premiums because their rates will go up thanks to the elimination of underwriting. So instead of paying huge premiums they will just pay the penalty and risk it. Larger companies will just drop hours below 30 hours a week so they don't have to offer benefits. So employees who used to have a good full time job will now have to work two part time jobs and still won't be able to afford benefit or really be eligible under a group plan. Some companies over 50 employees may just pay the penalties out right and not offer benefits because it will be cheaper to pay the penalty.

People will see what they've done with their vote soon enough. There are companies doing this now to their employees. Heck I sell insurance. You would think my sales would increase because everyone will need coverage right? Nope, and I may be out of a job in years to come. What they are doing really is ****ing this up so bad so that they can force universal healthcare on us.

Companies have been doing this for years now. At least around here. They would work people just under where they didn't qualify for insurance. We have that in our school system as well. We qualify for insurance at 6 hours. Years back, the school system cut most of the aides and food service hours back to 5.75 hours a day so they wouldn't have to give them benefits. Some of our factories would hire people for 89 days at a time to avoid benefits since they didn't qualify for 90. Then they'd just rotate them or hire new. None of this is new.

 

[BadMoon]

Companies have been doing this for years now. At least around here. They would work people just under where they didn't qualify for insurance. We have that in our school system as well. We qualify for insurance at 6 hours. Years back, the school system cut most of the aides and food service hours back to 5.75 hours a day so they wouldn't have to give them benefits. Some of our factories would hire people for 89 days at a time to avoid benefits since they didn't qualify for 90. Then they'd just rotate them or hire new. None of this is new.

It's not new. However, the volume of employers that do it will be. Things are about to get tough for a lot of people.

 

[BadMoon]

I don't see the insurance companies hurting for money. Any kind of insurance for that matter. They make damn good money.

Ween this is where you are wrong. What other company do you know that is forced to only make a .15 profit on every dollar? Now they have large volumes of customers no doubt. But seriously you don't understand the industry. When you buy a cell phone accessory you are literally buying something for $20 that may cost them a dollar to make. Insurance doesn't work that way.

This is why people thought a certain persons "plan" was so great. They just don't understand insurance and are very uneducated about it.

I would like to recommend a book for anyone that really is interested in reading about it. Is called health care reform for humans. You can download it off amazon for like $3. It is very short and very educational.

 

[clibman]

I believe that if you are sick and/or in pain, and cannabis helps you through it, then you should be able to take it. As long as you don't smoke it and then drive, then fine.

People should be aware that there "could" be side-effects to inhaling any type of smoke. Depending on your genetics, you may be more susceptible to lung disease or other ailments caused directly by the smoke. I'm not saying the cannabis will cause it, but its the smoke itself. And I'm not saying you will suffer the side effects. I'm saying that depending on your genetics, you could be more susceptible to it.

In my opinion, some people's bodies are genetically more unaffected by smoking. Hence, why certain people can smoke 3 packs a day for 50 years and never be sick a day in their life. But other people can smoke for 6 months and die of lung cancer. It's all genetics.

And just remember one other thing. We don't know the side effects of all the medicine we take. Doctors prescribe pills like candy. We don't know what these are doing to our bodies. Are they hurting our liver or kidneys or whatever.

So, what I'm saying is, if pot helps ease the pain from the nasty effects of ALS or AIDS or MS, then we should be able to take it, just like any other medicinal remedy. But, like anything else, only in moderation and only when we aren't operating machinery.

Just my .02.

 

[IronLungs31]

I don't touch nasty **** either, just the bomb.com

Amen to that brotha!!!

 

[BadMoon]

On the topic of weed though. I don't care if people want to smoke. Legalize it and move on. Handle it just like alcohol. It's no different.

 

[clibman]

To Devil76:

Life is so precious when you have a panic attack because you really feel like your fighting for your life. The reason panic attacks happen is because your brain is trying to remove itself from certain situations that you are worried about. Weed obviously alters brain cells, giving you a heightened sense of reality. Ultimately, people who get panic attacks while high; their brains are saying that they don't like being away from the norm. These are people that like to have total control of themselves. All of the sudden, you start to feel like your gonna pass out, your body is heavy, and you pay more attention to your heart beating. These things are what enhance your paranoia and then eventually trick you into thinking that your gonna die. I recommend that if you are a paranoid smoker, only do it with somebody your comfortable with. I used to drive around and get high but hated it because I had the extra concern for police. Just don't put yourself in a uncomfortable position because even the smallest worry can cause a panic attack and you wont even see it coming!

 

[IronLungs31]

^^^

I guess that I've been blowing so long that I don't even get those paranoid feeling anymore. Doesn't happen to me no matter if I taken 3 or 4 blow rips back to back. Driving around getting blowed has always been a big... in my book. Now stopping on the side of the road or pulling into a parking lot, blowing one for the poor one. Now that's a different story.

Puff, puff and pass to your left hand side.

 

[CelticPredator]

I only get those feelings if I get really, really, REALLY high. Beyond stoned, into ****ed up territory. It does suck. But I try and avoid getting to that level.

 

[The Ween]

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[Bodie The Cursed]

time for a toot x 2...

 

[Darkmatter]

i have glaucoma problems and mary jane helps relive my eye pressure and late day blurriness. unfortunately i have to hide in the shadows because it is illegal in florida. doctors have discontinued writing a prescription because of intense scrutiny from the state, leaving people to suffer from the symptoms with no viable alternative. i get medical grade from a guy but the price is enormous. meanwhile in colorado, they are legally selling it on craigslist.

the US needs to legalize it already and tax it!!!!!!! people are going to use it anyway, whether for medical or recreational purposes. why not bring in much needed revenue and kill the mexican drug cartel's business?