Hot Toys - DX13 - T2: T-800 (Battle-Damaged Version) 1/6-scale Collectible Figure

[VintijDroidGutzz]

I kinda felt sorry for him, when after talking on the phone to John - goes to Max's kennel / enclosure, & discovers that his name isn't 'Wolfie'.

You can almost hear him think 'DOH' out loud..

I don't like that the dog cops it though..

 

[MaulFan]

I don't know that that sort of thing was going to be of help in destroying the T-1000, only in identifying him.

It's not so much that the glitch itself could help anyone, just that it shows he has vulnerabilities and can be affected. I'm the theatrical cut, viewers see a whole machine gun clip unloaded into the T-1000, who is then frozen and shattered into tiny pieces and he just forms right back, making you feel like nothing can stop him. The extra scenes make you think, he's messed up so maybe he can be stopped somehow. It's just like the T-800 coming back from the truck explosion and then the pipe bomb and still going after Sarah in T1, you want viewers to feel like the villain can't be defeated.

 

[a-dev]

It's not so much that the glitch itself could help anyone, just that it shows he has vulnerabilities and can be affected. I'm the theatrical cut, viewers see a whole machine gun clip unloaded into the T-1000, who is then frozen and shattered into tiny pieces and he just forms right back, making you feel like nothing can stop him. The extra scenes make you think, he's messed up so maybe he can be stopped somehow. It's just like the T-800 coming back from the truck explosion and then the pipe bomb and still going after Sarah in T1, you want viewers to feel like the villain can't be defeated.

One wonders if that glitching would have been permanent.

Or if the T-800 hadn't allowed itself to be terminated would its flesh have grown back - one would think not, surely there'd be a limit to its healing ability. I'm sure it could have at least re-jigged that endo-arm to replace its own forearm. John really should have thought of that before lobbing the spare arm into the molten steel. At that point he was expecting the T-800 to carry on with them afterall.

 

[Frank]

not invincibility. you know, the baseball bat is not invincible, but when you see it crawling in pain, trying to save the master... it feels wrong about the bat image.
too much sad music, camera angles full of pity, so on
imagine pitiful zerg hydralisk?

p.s. again after watching that scene i felt that strong pity for the broken robot. hell it just wasn't right to make him a pitiful character. it fit robocop who had brains and personality, but works just wrong for a soulless instrument, turning him into a robocop copy.

A Robocop copy?

Nope.

There is a kinship between Robocop and T800 but it aint pity. It's called sacrifice, toughness and integrity. Those traits ought to be highly valued for human beings. Helps if you're looking at it from a male perspective. The body might be broken but the spirit remains. Commendable, not pitiful.

 

[P.]

The body might be broken but the spirit remains. Commendable, not pitiful.

that's exactly what i said. "it fit robocop who had brains and personality, but works just wrong for a soulless instrument".

As I said, if its a matter of what you prefer to see, no argument of mine will sway you. I'm just saying that technically T2 did nothing wrong by the T-800 and its portrayal. In fact I think Cameron did brilliantly to bring about those emotional responses in the viewer like fear and pity.

yes he brilliantly turned two robots conflict into Bad Bully VS Family Father fight. and it's sooo pink )
as for "brilliant", it's stupid and not brilliant that in all that steel factory scenes T-1000 moves like mongoose with T-800, but becomes a paralyzed tortoise VS humans. as well as T-800 can't move his body&legs from a pair of head hits, while T1 was almost fully operational after a truck hit to the head which is not less than what T-1000 did.
hell, T1 survived two explosions, both of them tear metal apart, lost half of his body and arm and still was fast, while T2 lost an arm and started crawling slowly )
all those inconveniences are just too much fake in characters depicting.
but, as you said, if its a matter of what you prefer to see, no argument of mine will sway you.

John really should have thought of that before lobbing the spare arm into the molten steel. At that point he was expecting the T-800 to carry on with them afterall.

wow i've never thought and heard from anybody about that natural but really unexpected detail!

 

[Jackhepburn]

But the arm from cyberdyne is a right arm, the broken off one is the left

 

[HottoyzJoker]

You all forget the T1 T-800 was made a programed by skynet and was a killing cold badass... As the T2 T-800 was reprogramed by the human resistance and was kind of a *****... Just saying I still have seen both movies many times guess I dont think about this **** as much as some of you guys do...

 

[a-dev]

yes he brilliantly turned two robots conflict into Bad Bully VS Family Father fight. and it's sooo pink )
as for "brilliant", it's stupid and not brilliant that in all that steel factory scenes T-1000 moves like mongoose with T-800, but becomes a paralyzed tortoise VS humans. as well as T-800 can't move his body&legs from a pair of head hits, while T1 was almost fully operational after a truck hit to the head which is not less than what T-1000 did.
hell, T1 survived two explosions, both of them tear metal apart, lost half of his body and arm and still was fast, while T2 lost an arm and started crawling slowly )

How else were they going to do those fight scenes? How would you make it that it isn't bad bully VS family father fight?

As for the T-1000 being superfast against the T-800 and slowing down when faced with humans - T1 has the exact same kind of issues. Why didn't the T-800 just stamp on Sarah Connor's head when he was literally standing right over her at Tech Noir. I'm sure that would have been just as lethal as emptying a clip into her. Instead he took the time to reload giving Kyle the chance to shoot him down again. And again at the factory when the endoskeleton is chasing them. The stop-motion puppet seems to be walking pretty fast before barging into the door that they close just on time. Likewise in those full body shots as it walks through the factory its taking huge steps, striding along quite fast despite the limp. However as soon as it actually locates them...paralysed tortoise. A dramaticly tense slow limp towards them, allowing them to back slowly up the stairs. If he had charged them they'd be killed and film is over rather abruptly. Same thing in T2.

On your point about the damage sustained by the T-800s in each film and how much it affected them comparatively speaking - maybe you have a point here. Unless someone else has a good answer? Why does it seem like the T2 T-800 is more weakened by his fight with the T-1000 than the T1 T-800 is by truck impacts and explosions?

But the arm from cyberdyne is a right arm, the broken off one is the left

If anyone could re-engineer that right arm to become a left arm its the T-800 itself.

 

[Jackhepburn]

I think uncle bob would have still killed himself in the end regardless of his state. The way I see it, it was his last objective in the list

 

[TheFiend]

I see P. is still on his quest to discredit T2 anyway he can and making T1 more than what it was.

 

[snoop101]

Terminator 2 is garbage.

 

[MaulFan]

Why does it seem like the T2 T-800 is more weakened by his fight with the T-1000 than the T1 T-800 is by truck impacts and explosions?

Way I see it, T1, he gets hit in the head by a truck, but it's a sudden impact that also knocks him down, where in T2, the T-1000 slams that equipment into his head twice at full force sandwiching his head between it and the wall behind him. As for the explosions in T1, the truck is fairly intact despite the tanker blowing up when he hops out on fire, he's more burnt than anything, and the explosion from Kyle splits him in half, no direct impact on the head.

Ultimately, the T-800 being a little slower after his arm get's ripped off, it's just Arnold's limits having to hang his arm or tuck it behind him, it's a little hard to move at your best pace while doing that. His knee is banged up from the fall of the tanker so his walk's a little limp anyway.

 

[MaulFan]

Terminator 2 is garbage.

 

[Voorhees27]

Please come back later?

 

[P.]

How else were they going to do those fight scenes? How would you make it that it isn't bad bully VS family father fight?

in T3, T4 and the Sarah Connor Chronicles (SSC) machines fought brutally until one of them was eventually broken. no sad music and faces and no ragdoll for the good guy.

BTW-1 i like how T-1000 seems not to consider any way to destroy T-800. those moments when he hesitates a little before choosing the next way of damaging. looks like they both don't know how to destroy each other completely and just try to slow the enemy a little )

BTW-2, a-dev, recalling the SSC i remember they used your idea of details usage: "Cameron" terminator secretly kept parts of destroyed terminators for fixing itself )

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

that's exactly what i said. "it fit robocop who had brains and personality, but works just wrong for a soulless instrument".

Isn't the T-800 just trying to keep on his mission, "protect John Connor"? T-800, even being ripped to shreds and broken down, will stop at nothing.

As far as I recall, between both the T-1000 and the T-800 during the whole fight scene, have no verbal exchanges and their facial expressions do not change to convey any other emotion except "terminate".

 

[a-dev]

in T3, T4 and the Sarah Connor Chronicles (SSC) machines fought brutally until one of them was eventually broken. no sad music and faces and no ragdoll for the good guy.

But in T2 you're supposed to care that he's getting his ass handed to him. So the film plays in such a way that it has that effect. I have no particular emotional response to T's 3 and 4 beyond ''haha cool'' and ''Aww wtf, thats crap what they did there''. The fight scenes were fun but ultimately forgettable till I watch them again simply for the superficial enjoyment. TSSC, I did get as upset as one gets over a TV show when they suddenly killed Derek Reese out of absolutely nowhere.

BTW-1 i like how T-1000 seems not to consider any way to destroy T-800. those moments when he hesitates a little before choosing the next way of damaging. looks like they both don't know how to destroy each other completely and just try to slow the enemy a little )

What the T-1000 could have done is morph his hand into a tool that could open up the T-800's CPU port - take it out and destroy it. But again that would end the film pretty much. It seems to me he aimed for what I guess was a vital area when he impaled the T-800. Though surely he should have known about the T-800's backup power or whatever.

BTW-2, a-dev, recalling the SSC i remember they used your idea of details usage: "Cameron" terminator secretly kept parts of destroyed terminators for fixing itself )

I forgot that. Yeah she must have assumed she'd be around for a while. Little did she know that the show was gonna get cancelled so soon.

 

[Rambler]

 

[P.]

But in T2 you're supposed to care that he's getting his ass handed to him.

but all i did care was "what the hell with all that santa barbara vanilla!"
though yes, everybody of my those-years-friends said "wow cool".
i don't see how one can care for a robot that cannot move after a head hit and losing one arm, when his copy from T1 didn't slow after being torn apart (thus breaking lots of energy circuits and having lots of wrong data BTW).
on the other hand it was not a copy, as in T1 it was clearly stated that there was only 1984/2029 displacement and as the arm in T2 was not from T1 and so on.

when i get the figure, he won't crawl. he'll be torn like hell but still in dangerous poses, like a spider with several missing legs but still menacing the enemy

though i don't exactly know yet how to do that, as i'm not that good with posing
i guess a copy of a-dev's sig, but with a half-machine head and with a launcher in another hand, would be nice.

 

[The Skull]

What the T-1000 could have done is morph his hand into a tool that could open up the T-800's CPU port - take it out and destroy it. But again that would end the film pretty much. It seems to me he aimed for what I guess was a vital area when he impaled the T-800. Though surely he should have known about the T-800's backup power or whatever.
.

That would require a tourk wrench to loosen the two bolts first like in the scene where sarah connor removes it in the deleted scene, and the t-1000 cannot form complex machines like a tourk wrench so not happening

I feel like such a geek for pointing that out