Hot Toys - MMS 117 Terminator 2 Model T-800 spec + hi-res pics

[MaulFan]

It doesn't matter, as long as you end up with a collectible you're happy with, it's irrelevant what other people think of it, it's your purchase and you have to live with the decision. Everyone on this board could hate the HT T-800 figure and I'd still buy it because I'm happy with it.

 

[karamazov80]

Neca-type figures were pretty awesome about 10 years ago.

 

[thenammagazine]

The NECA sculpt is excellent. Really captures the look of Arnold and gets the proportions right but it lacks the finer detials and realism in sculpt and paint that you expect (and can only really get) from a high end figure.

Which is why I think it's funny. Likely any inaccuracies this sculpt has (and there are a couple), side by side with NECA's, there'll be no doubt that HT's is the better of the two.

 

[a-dev]

Well I'm taking both. If you're a big enough fan of the film why not do that. I just don't like the tones of condescension after people jump to their own made-up conclusion about what I and other NECA fans are actually saying. Thats how the 'debate' keeps coming up.

 

[MaulFan]

It all depends on what you care most about the piece, just which will seem better. If you want HT's photo-realism, then NECA will never do it for you, they don't strive for it or come close to it. If you care more about the anatomical accurracy and certain choices like hair length, then it becomes debatable which will look better to different people. A-dev doesn't deny the quality of the HT portrait, but for his personal vision of Arnie in T2, the NECA sculpt satisfies more than the HT one. I for example, think sculpturally HT's Sarah falls quite short of Sideshow's, but the the realism of the overall execution on HT's is definitely better. Just because things aren't equally priced or marketed doesn't mean if they're essentailly the same, there isn't room for comparison. With Sideshow, NECA and HT we have 3 companies that have or are putting out 1/6 scale portraits of characters from T2, and they all look quite different but can have things about them better and worse than each other.

 

[karamazov80]

I'm not buying the NECA version because their stuff looks so cheap. Doesn't matter what the license is, really.

 

[plasmid303]

We are so spoiled.

 

[thenammagazine]

It all depends on what you care most about the piece, just which will seem better. If you want HT's photo-realism, then NECA will never do it for you, they don't strive for it or come close to it. If you care more about the anatomical accurracy and certain choices like hair length, then it becomes debatable which will look better to different people. A-dev doesn't deny the quality of the HT portrait, but for his personal vision of Arnie in T2, the NECA sculpt satisfies more than the HT one. I for example, think sculpturally HT's Sarah falls quite short of Sideshow's, but the the realism of the overall execution on HT's is definitely better. Just because things aren't equally priced or marketed doesn't mean if they're essentailly the same, there isn't room for comparison. With Sideshow, NECA and HT we have 3 companies that have or are putting out 1/6 scale portraits of characters from T2, and they all look quite different but can have things about them better and worse than each other.

And that is the reason why the two shouldn't be compared.

I'm not buying the NECA version because their stuff looks so cheap. Doesn't matter what the license is, really.

The only exception to this would be if NECA produced a 12" endo that I could butcher for battle damaged Arnie.

 

[karamazov80]

We are so spoiled.

This man speaks the truth. But you can't go backwards in time. I used to collect NECA/McFarlane stuff and thought it was pretty cool! No more.

 

[MaulFan]

And that is the reason why the two shouldn't be compared.

But the comparisons I hear aren't regarding the overall look, they've been regarding his anatomy, if one sculpt doesn't quit have the cheek bones defined enough and things like that, and I think you can very fairly make those critiques. NECA falls short of HT's style because it lacks refined skin and top notch paint apps, but they both aim for faithful sculptures to the source. No one's saying that NECA looks overall better or more realistic, people just feel that some things about capturing the features of Arnold's portrait would better captured by the NECA sculptor than Yulli.

 

[dcflake]

It doesn't matter, as long as you end up with a collectible you're happy with, it's irrelevant what other people think of it, it's your purchase and you have to live with the decision. Everyone on this board could hate the HT T-800 figure and I'd still buy it because I'm happy with it.

So far I'm happy with it. I can't imagine anyone seeing this and saying "That just doesn't look look Arnold who's that susposed to be?" then turning to the NECA one and saying "WOW well, that's the Terminator no doubt." Under those circusmstances I would start complaining.

 

[thenammagazine]

But the comparisons I hear aren't regarding the overall look, they've been regarding his anatomy, if one sculpt doesn't quit have the cheek bones defined enough and things like that, and I think you can very fairly make those critiques. NECA falls short of HT's style because it lacks refined skin and top notch paint apps, but they both aim for faithful sculptures to the source. No one's saying that NECA looks overall better or more realistic, people just feel that some things about capturing the features of Arnold's portrait would better captured by the NECA sculptor than Yulli.

No you can't. If one sculpt doesn't have the cheek bones defined enough, but the other looks like it's been dropped in sand before the paint dried, I don't see how you can't take one into account without the other. NECA's finished product looks like a novice produced it while HT's looks more like the work of a professional sculptor.

I took your advice and went to TRU and checked out the NECA. I just couldn't bring myself to buy it. It looks like a cheap toy and considerably out of place amongst a shelf of high-end collectibles.

 

[Eamon]

NECA make crude figures in my opinion. Brittle plastics too!

Not sure it's even fair comparing them.
But I think those who say the NECA face is better should just wear this t-shirt:

 

[a-dev]

A-dev doesn't deny the quality of the HT portrait, but for his personal vision of Arnie in T2, the NECA sculpt satisfies more than the HT one..

Thank you, good post. Is it even that it satisfies me more than the Hot Toys one? I'm not sure yet as I don't have the HT figure. However I do feel a sense of loyalty to NECA for having been the first to come out with really cool, really accurate, properly proportioned T2 figures that actually look like Arnie in the 19 years since the film came out. Yeah it just so happens that Hot Toys also jumped on that bandwagon very shortly after...for which I'm glad..I voted for T1 in the poll but I'll take it all. So I'm defending NECA's figures as a matter of principle and because I think there are valid arguments to be made... and because theres nothing else I feel like doing just now.

 

[thenammagazine]

NECA make crude figures in my opinion. Brittle plastics too!

Not sure it's even fair comparing them.
But I think those who say the NECA face is better should just wear this t-shirt:

and their friend should wear this one:

 

[snoop101]

But the neca figure is 150 dollars cheaper. Why even begin to compare the two. They are both great for what they are.

 

[a-dev]

So far I'm happy with it. I can't imagine anyone seeing this and saying "That just doesn't look look Arnold who's that susposed to be?" then turning to the NECA one and saying "WOW well, that's the Terminator no doubt." Under those circusmstances I would start complaining.

Well fortunately then no is saying that. That would be making general broadstroke comments when what we're really doing is considering individual areas where one sculpt might be more accurate in technicalities such as 'physical dimensions' than the other. Which the NECA is by the looks of it.

 

[a-dev]

But I think those who say the NECA face is better should just wear this t-shirt:

You disappoint me fellow irishman...you disappoint me.

 

[MaulFan]

No you can't. If one sculpt doesn't have the cheek bones defined enough, but the other looks like it's been dropped in sand before the paint dried, I don't see how you can't take one into account without the other.

To me they are separate. In theory, the HT sculpt was probably in NECA shape at some point while Yulli made it, an early, roughing out the forms stage, then taken steps further to refine and polish it up. However, the NECA stage is essential to likeness. Now, NECA doesn't go past that point, HT does, but doesn't mean that NECA can't get more right in the raw capturing of the facial structure than a polished portrait. If HT's head has Harrison Ford's nose and Stallone's eyes and The Rock's mouth, just because it's all nice and refined doesn't mean it succeeded in looking like Arnie. There are basic structural details to capture for a portrait to resemble Arnie, and there is room to question if NECA or HT captured those better or worse than the other. Thinking NECA looks all chiseled and rough in its finish is not relevant to anatomical comparison, it's an opinion on the finished quality of the two companies, and like I said, of course there's no comparison, HT strives to capture every little pore and wrinkle there, NECA leaves rough edges and cuts that look like it was carved in stone.

 

[dcflake]

Well fortunately then no is saying that. That would be making general broadstroke comments when what we're really doing is considering individual areas where one sculpt might be more accurate in technicalities such as 'physical dimensions' than the other. Which the NECA is by the looks of it.

Yeah, but as MaulFan said, if your happy with the way it looks then why should you care about other people's opinion. Those are just the parameters under which I wouldn't be happy, not at all.