1/6 Hot Toys - MMS 237D06 - Iron Man 2: 1/6th scale Whiplash Mark II Collectible Figure

[Hologram AI]

Secret Base

 

[LipSmack]

Although I hate the whole diecast thing that isnt the reason im not buying. Its overpriced, and the MR HS is really inaccurate (not MR himself). In the movie his faceplate never lifts up like that, the whole helmet collapses down around his neck, not like what HT's has done. Plus ive made a promise to myself to not buy into HT's like I used too, and Id like to thank them for making it so easy

 

[egel]

Its expensive, but I am still ordering one locally. Sold all my Marvel HT except War Machine and my Mark IV, glad I kept those. Might get a Mark VI chestplate. I am wondering what this announcement will do the value of Mark VI and WM. They are already higher than the pre-orders price, flippers going crazy?

 

[LipSmack]

Its expensive, but I am still ordering one locally. Sold all my Marvel HT except War Machine and my Mark IV, glad I kept those. Might get a Mark VI chestplate. I am wondering what this announcement will do the value of Mark VI and WM. They are already higher than the pre-orders price, flippers going crazy?

the mk 6 chest wont fit the 4...

and yes flippers are by there very nature... mental

 

[Tauntaun Han]

I would have liked to have him displayed with those 2 figures as well. However, since the pricing on them are out of reach for me he will just have to beat up on my Iron Man 3 WM and IM.

 

[Invictus Sol]

I'd be surprised if Whiplash had any effect on Mark VI's or War Machine's after-market pricing. I have no desire to display either with Whiplash, anyway, and certainly wouldn't pay the already inflated prices to get them, for that purpose.

 

[robbiethepainter]

Secret Base

AWESOME!!!

That right there is why I have drank the HT Ironman Koolaid. The complexity of this piece is brilliant!

 

[HeubertMichael]

Beautiful figure, no questions about it. But if there's a category for "Most Expensive 1/6 Figure Based on a Character/Design That Only Got 5 Minutes or Below Screentime", this wins the award

But damn I want this on my shelf.

 

[lozric]

Need a battle damaged war machine now. Plus hammerOIDS

 

[LipSmack]

Need a battle damaged war machine now. Plus hammerOIDS

At $400 + a pop no thanks

 

[robbiethepainter]

Beautiful figure, no questions about it. But if there's a category for "Most Expensive 1/6 Figure Based on a Character/Design That Only Got 5 Minutes or Below Screentime", this wins the award

But damn I want this on my shelf.

I think Igor has it actually. Less screen time and and $100 more.

 

[HeubertMichael]

I think Igor has it actually. Less screen time and and $100 more.

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I stand corrected then!

 

[lerath666]

Another fun fact.. if the supply of Diamonds was not artificially restricted by the diamond industry, they would be cheaper than Cubic zirconia.


The issue here is that diecast haters are utterly convinced that the reason 1/6 figure prices are rising is because of diecast, therefore they hate diecast.. and that is all that matters.

It doesn't matter that plastic figures are pretty much the same price.. It doesn't matter that the plastic figures have also had manufacturing faults.. it doesn't matter that the plastic figures have had paint issues too.. What matters is the diecast conspiracy to justify higher prices for 1/6 figures.. The very long history of diecast collectibles is clearly irrelevant.. C3PO may be a fine figure but it isn't made by Hot Toys.. War Machine Mk. 2 may be a fine figure but who knows if it won't explode in three or five years time.. well 'rust' then explode.. and probably steal your car.. before rusting then exploding.. and voting Democrat.. Yup, that's diecast.. don't say you weren't warned.

It doesn't matter what you tell haters.. they're gonna hate.. its how they roll.

People tend to not believe me about diamonds, but yeah, same deal as gold an platinum.

My PERSONAL big beef with diecast is that if it's used wrong ( REad : use too much on a figure) it messes up the balance point, and makes it tend to fall over. It also makes them needlessly heavy. But by picking and choosing, and careful application thereof, it can make some cool stuff. LOVING what i'm seeing in the War Machine mark II. If I ever get back into buying Hot toys figures, I wouldn't be opposed to diecast, so long as they keep being sparing with it.

But for now, i've been priced out. Sticking to sideshow. more liscenses I enjoy anywho.
DC, Joe and SW, with a little bit of Asmus LOTR on the side.



Edit: And voting democrat? can't say i get the reference.

 

[Taibhse]

..Edit: And voting democrat? can't say i get the reference.

It was just a slightly obscure, tongue in cheek reference to the media coverage of a rash of irrational 'Unfriending' on Facebook, after the last US Presidential elections.. which seemed to mirror the rather irrational diecast hating on the forum.

 

[Taibhse]

I beg to differ.... Compared to some of the things I have bought over the years, these figures on the cheap side.

I have voiced several rational reasons for not being enamoured of diecast, and none of them are cost.

Hmmm.... are you sure? -

..At a certain point the enjoyment you gain from a figure isn't worth what you pay for it...

And

.."Die cast" is pot metal. Typically the cheapest, lowest quality metal you can get. Plastic holds better and finer detail, and is more expensive than die cast. The greatest con ever pulled on collectors...

If you think that diecast is a 'cheap, low quality' material but the manufacturers are charging more for those figures, then logically cost is going to be an issue, no?

 

[lerath666]

Hmmm.... are you sure? -




And




If you think that diecast is a 'cheap, low quality' material but the manufacturers are charging more for those figures, then logically cost is going to be an issue, no?

Just for the record, "Diecast" is a industry "buzzword" for a material known as Zamak. And he's right. it is a low quality, generaly ( but not as bad lately) low purity metal alloy of Zinc, Tin, Lead, and copper. in the past 20-30 years, lead has been dropped, and Aluminum, magnesium and sopper is used instead, resulting in LESS zinc rot, but it can still happen.

He's 100% accurate in calling it "pot metal".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal

TL;DR Zamak is a low quality material that is marketed as being otherwise.
When it's made properly, it holds up just fine. HOWEVER, it's entirely possible that something goes wrong in the smelting process. Becuase of its relatively low melting point, and relatively fast cooling and hardening period, its possible for air to get trapped inside , which can and generaly does lead to decay, cracking, flaking and general breaking. This sort of thing Can also be caused by an improper mixing of metal ratios when creating the alloy in the first place.




I'm not saying don't buy it. By all means, purchase it if you like it. I'm just asking people to know what it is they're buying, and to not get taken in by the hype.

 

[The Rage]

Just for the record, "Diecast" is a industry "buzzword" for a material known as Zamak. And he's right. it is a low quality, generaly ( but not as bad lately) low purity metal alloy of Zinc, Tin, Lead, and copper. in the past 20-30 years, lead has been dropped, and Aluminum, magnesium and sopper is used instead, resulting in LESS zinc rot, but it can still happen.

He's 100% accurate in calling it "pot metal".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal

TL;DR Zamak is a low quality material that is marketed as being otherwise.
When it's made properly, it holds up just fine. HOWEVER, it's entirely possible that something goes wrong in the smelting process. Becuase of its relatively low melting point, and relatively fast cooling and hardening period, its possible for air to get trapped inside , which can and generaly does lead to decay, cracking, flaking and general breaking. This sort of thing Can also be caused by an improper mixing of metal ratios when creating the alloy in the first place.

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I'm not saying don't buy it. By all means, purchase it if you like it. I'm just asking people to know what it is they're buying, and to not get taken in by the hype.

I have to say this is the first post that accurately explains the dangers behind diecast, without just being "DIECAST GROSS". This is super informative, thank you.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

There's truckloads of articles explaining the various dangers behind plastics, can anyone guarantee what these companies use for figures as 100% safe? Doubt it.

 

[Taibhse]

.. When it's made properly, it holds up just fine. HOWEVER, it's entirely possible that something goes wrong..

I'm not saying don't buy it. By all means, purchase it if you like it. I'm just asking people to know what it is they're buying, and to not get taken in by the hype.

I totally get the message that when something is made badly.. it's made badly.. However the same people giving diecast a good old fashioned kicking with sweeping generalisations.. are buying standard plastic figures, which also have problems when something goes wrong.. for example -

Hot Toys infamous 'Pink Panties' on Red and Gold Iron Man suits
Stormtroopers - White plastic armor yellows.. (colored plastic generally discolors, frequently at uneven rates over time).
Clear plastic goes yellow and frequently opaque
Star Wars generally - older Medicom figures have a reputation for limbs dropping off
Original Hot Toys ED-209 - Rubber rot
Batman figures - costume rubber rot
Any plastic vehicle with rubber tyres or tracks - rubber rot
Any plastic figure with rubber components - rubber rot
Any plastic figure with a rubber 'skin suit' - rubber rot
Any plastic figure with pleather components - pleather rot
Any plastic figure with elasticated suit or other components - elastic rot
Hot Toys Amazing Spiderman - breaking joints
Hot Toys Ironmonger - micro cracks on the hip joints
Plastic - becomes brittle with age
Plastic - color fades with age
Plastic figures of a Timelord's assistant with realistic hair - fugliness and dandruff (ok, I made that up.. mostly)


Other collectors could no doubt, add more examples both specific to certain figures /manufacturers and generic to plastic toys.

Quite a few of these issues are not down to QC, they are inherent in the composition of the material, no matter how well made.. that is the reason why I don't feel the hating on diecast is proportionate.
If someone wants to buy a custom 1/4 T-800 figure, made of surgical grade stainless steel with the wiring loom (24c gold core) and paint done by McLaren Mercedes for tens of thousands of dollars, then crack on.. I'm happy with well made, Zamak.. because I like the weight.. i know its illogical.. I still like the weight.

The point is, I don't turn up on every thread about a plastic figure repeatedly pointing out what might go wrong, just because its plastic.. and I emphasise might go wrong.. because a lot of the sledging of diecast, started well before the figures were released.. and has now moved on to: "Well OK, its gobsmackingly awesome now ..but just you wait a couple of years, it will probably turn into a werewolf and pee on your rug.. and that rug really ties the room together

 

[skullboy]

I totally get the message that when something is made badly.. it's made badly.. However the same people giving diecast a good old fashioned kicking with sweeping generalisations.. are buying standard plastic figures, which also have problems when something goes wrong.. for example -

Hot Toys infamous 'Pink Panties' on Red and Gold Iron Man suits
Stormtroopers - White plastic armor yellows.. (colored plastic generally discolors, frequently at uneven rates over time).
Clear plastic goes yellow and frequently opaque
Star Wars generally - older Medicom figures have a reputation for limbs dropping off
Original Hot Toys ED-209 - Rubber rot
Batman figures - costume rubber rot
Any plastic vehicle with rubber tyres or tracks - rubber rot
Any plastic figure with rubber components - rubber rot
Any plastic figure with a rubber 'skin suit' - rubber rot
Any plastic figure with pleather components - pleather rot
Any plastic figure with elasticated suit or other components - elastic rot
Hot Toys Amazing Spiderman - breaking joints
Hot Toys Ironmonger - micro cracks on the hip joints
Plastic - becomes brittle with age
Plastic - color fades with age
Plastic figures of a Timelord's assistant with realistic hair - fugliness and dandruff (ok, I made that up.. mostly)


Other collectors could no doubt, add more examples both specific to certain figures /manufacturers and generic to plastic toys.

Quite a few of these issues are not down to QC, they are inherent in the composition of the material, no matter how well made.. that is the reason why I don't feel the hating on diecast is proportionate.
If someone wants to buy a custom 1/4 T-800 figure, made of surgical grade stainless steel with the wiring loom (24c gold core) and paint done by McLaren Mercedes for tens of thousands of dollars, then crack on.. I'm happy with well made, Zamak.. because I like the weight.. i know its illogical.. I still like the weight.

The point is, I don't turn up on every thread about a plastic figure repeatedly pointing out what might go wrong, just because its plastic.. and I emphasise might go wrong.. because a lot of the sledging of diecast, started well before the figures were released.. and has now moved on to: "Well OK, its gobsmackingly awesome now ..but just you wait a couple of years, it will probably turn into a werewolf and pee on your rug.. and that rug really ties the room together

So true.

I know people that have been collecting Diecast cars for over 30 years, and have never had a problem, they even say there cars look as good as the day they bought them.

There have been a few forums I have been on where collectors have bought Diecast airplanes from certain manufacturer at a certain time, where they had problems because the metals had been mixed wrong and were actually cracking and disintegrating.
Basically if the metal has been cast correctly, they will last many many years.