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[Prime Clone]

They don't exist any more

In your mind perhaps. But they're still immortalised on film whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

There are no Midichlorians in TFA...not even referenced.

This pleases me.

I will say without getting into too much detail, that in early meetings with Abrams and Kasden and Disney, there was a list of things that were "not received well" from the prequels, and midichlorians were on it. This new trilogy will build on the OT because it shares characters and it will reference the PT about as much as the OT did. Oh wait the OT didn't refer back to the prequels... So don't expect the new movies to, they don't need to. It will be a much more cohesive story how the OT and the ST tie together. This is why Michael Arndt was let go, because JJ and Kasdan get that. There are a lot of themes that come with Kasdan he has had for a long time, some are outlined in the JW Rinzler making of ROTJ book.

 

[the angry orc]

+ 1 Billion

 

[Pixelpiper]

In your mind perhaps. But they're still immortalised on film whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.

I don't think any film was used in the making of those abominations. While it's true their infamy will live forever, they'd probably have been stricken from canon if it weren't for their continued ability to push merchandise. Maybe one day when Disney sees there's a ton of money to be made by releasing another trilogy we can have a set of prequel movies that make some sense and fit the spirit of the franchise.

 

[Motuxmen]

I don't think any film was used in the making of those abominations. While it's true their infamy will live forever, they'd probably have been stricken from canon if it weren't for their continued ability to push merchandise. Maybe one day when Disney sees there's a ton of money to be made by releasing another trilogy we can have a set of prequel movies that make some sense and fit the spirit of the franchise.

So it's closer to fitting the "franchise" after the guy that created it sells it, leaves the company, and new stuff erases what he wrote? Like it or not Lucas created Star Wars, and wether you like the PT or not it's his vision, his creation.(and to be clear I'm not saying they suck or are good..that's all opinion) what I'm saying is that people saying the original I ain't canon or out of character or anything like that but then praising the OT and saying the new will be better are...I don't know how to word this...missing the mark, I guess. Lucas created and owned Star Wars. Whatever he created will always be closer to the original then anything JJ or anyone else creates. You may prefer one to the other. But you can't say one is more true to the source..not unless you actually created it. It's like someone else re-writing a Stephen King novel and then saying it's closer to kings vision. It may or may not be better but it wouldn't be his vision.

 

[Kamandi]

No more "pre-" films. One of the best things about 7 is anything can happen. It doesn't need to dovetail into some pre-established known storyline.

Ben can't die because he's in 4
Yoda can't die because he's in 5 and 6
Vader can't die because he's in 4,5 and 6
R2D2....

That guy over there isn't in the other movies. Never seen him bef... Oh, he ded.
Padme isn't in the othe ... oh, she ded too.


There can only be so much jeopardy when you buy a ticket and know the scorecard.




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[Pixelpiper]

like someone else re-writing a Stephen King novel.

Believe it or not, I actually did read what you wrote. I think you've been experiencing an issue lately on the forums and I'm here to explain it to you now. Pay attention.

You see, you sometimes make good points and relate data that seems like it comes from genuine experience - it can even be corroborated many times. When you read what the other person is saying and fully understand the point they're trying to make, you have the best chance of offering a compelling counter point. I've seen you do it, so I know you have it in you. But when you either don't read or otherwise ignore what you're replying to, then chances are you're going to go off on some wild tangent just like in the reply above.

Your reply doesn't fit, doesn't counter, doesn't address, the narrative I set up in my post whatsoever - maybe you're replying to multiple people at once? Then you should break up your reply and quote multiple original posts. Right now it's just a confusing jumbled mess, sort of like the Prequel Trilogy.

See, George Lucas had at one time the ability to craft great stories and great characters. That doesn't necessarily last forever, and just because someone produces gold at one time, doesn't mean they don't make a huge turd (or three) another (see also: The Wachowskis).

For the record: I don't care about Lucas' vision. Never have. I enjoy the OT movies, the final product, not some vision. For all we know the only reason the OT movies were any good was because other powers that be prevented Lucas from making them a total mess. WRT new movies I never once mentioned they'd fit any "vision" - but I know everyone involved wants them to be good Star Wars movies and they know the prequels aren't.

If you think the prequels are good cinema, then I won't be able to convince you otherwise. But when I say they "suck" that's my way of saying they're bad cinema. The word "suck" conveys my opinion, but the fact they're badly written, scripted, directed and produced movies... Well, that's quantifiable - not opinion.

 

[WWEJedi]

I don't think any film was used in the making of those abominations. While it's true their infamy will live forever, they'd probably have been stricken from canon if it weren't for their continued ability to push merchandise. Maybe one day when Disney sees there's a ton of money to be made by releasing another trilogy we can have a set of prequel movies that make some sense and fit the spirit of the franchise.

Revenge of the Sith is more than worthy enough of the title of Star Wars, better than ROTJ a good chunk of people would agree, should never be remade. I can see the argument against TPM/AOTC, but still think they are fine.

 

[Pixelpiper]

Just as I finished up the post... outside... giant double rainbow. Woah. All the way.

Revenge of the Sith

No.

 

[WWEJedi]

Just as I finished up the post... outside... giant double rainbow. Woah. All the way.



No.

Why do you hate ROTS? Just curious.

 

[Mandible]

Revenge of the Sith is more than worthy enough of the title of Star Wars, better than ROTJ a good chunk of people would agree, should never be remade. I can see the argument against TPM/AOTC, but still think they are fine.

Revenge of the Sith is by far the worst of all 6!!!! Inconceivably bad writing, directing, acting, etc, etc, etc.

Piper was right - the OT was only good because Lucas DIDN'T control everything. He is an AMAZING storyteller, editor, and business man. However, he can't direct his way out of a paper bag (just watch any "making of" Ep4 and you'll hear and see everyone around him freaking out at his inability to convey what he wanted - even the poor actors didn't know if they were doing the right thing because he was such a meek little mouse), and can't write - intro Kasdan for ALL Lucas's success stories (Raiders, etc).

If he had have surrounded himself with the right people on the prequels they (probably) would have been good. Again, listen to his directors commentaries on the DVD's and your jaw will hit the floor - he had the ideas, but because nobody said "no" he executed them poorly.

Anyone with half a brain about filmmaking knows that what Piper said is FACT (and universally acknowledged) - the prequels are poorly made and executed films. If you have the ability to make quality actors like McGregor and Portman look bad "R2, what are you doing here?" (one of the worst delivered lines in cinema history) then you know he's a bad director.

God, even by his own admission on MANY "making of's" he says he hates writing, that he hates being on set, and that the only part he enjoys is post production.

So regardless of your likes or dislikes of the prequels - which is fine either way - don't profess they are well made films.

And again as Piper said - just because someone does something good doesn't mean EVERYTHING they touch will be great for the rest of their lives. Lucas was 33 when Ep4 was released, wasn't a father, and "wanted to make a good wholesome film EVERYONE could enjoy." He CLEARLY - and freely stated - had his kids in mind when he did the prequels.

Why was Vader so well defined? 3 movies for a great arc. Maul should have been the villan for all the prequels and Anakin should have killed him and taken his place.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

Also see Indy 4 for Lucas' poor decision making.

 

[Darkseed]

Then there is Kylo Ren...the true subject of this thread

 

[Prime Clone]

I don't think any film was used in the making of those abominations.

I believe TPM was shot on film, the other two were digital.

Lucas pioneered digital filmmaking with AOTC, just as he pushed the envelope by insisting all Clone Troopers be CGI.

Lucas' greatest strength - and weakness - is that he's a technical director. The prequels were the films we had to have. We had to reach peak CGI just to prove we could do it, now the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

 

[xipotec]

This looks bad a$$

Guys BTW, Midichlorians is only mentioned by Qui-Gon.....and he was totally insane. So they actually do not exist , he was just telling Anakin a fairy tale to shut him up so he would go to sleep....like Santa and the Easter Bunny.

So no worries about them, they were just one man's madness....

 

[Prime Clone]

Guys BTW, Midichlorians is only mentioned by Qui-Gon.....

And Palpatine when relating the tale of Darth Palgueis - but that was just a "Sith legend".

As I said earlier, midichlorians would have been more annoying if not for the "payoff" in ROTS.

 

[the angry orc]

Waaaaaaant this figure. Love the textured robe.

 

[Ebeneezer Jones]

Guys and gals i've been reading this with interest, but also worry.

I went to the doctors today for a blood test with all this talk about Midichlorians, and it turns out i'm Midichlorian positive...!!!

Should i be worried...?

 

[greedo737]

LMAO!

 

[DBoz]

Then there is Kylo Ren...the true subject of this thread

Now you're just talking crazy talk.