1/6 Hot Toys - MMS 320 - Star Wars Ep.VII - Kylo Ren

[cmiller99]

I think that's a telling sign. Unintentional near incest isn't something that I think Lucas would have included if he knew exactly where the story was going.

 

[Mike86]

I think he had general ideas in mind but yeah it's clear not everything was as well thought out as he'd like people to believe. Hell he couldn't even make up his mind as to what he wanted the final cuts of the films to be and had to keep making changes with each new home video release.

 

[Asta]

I think that's a telling sign. Unintentional near incest isn't something that I think Lucas would have included if he knew exactly where the story was going.

Even if Lucas was merely throwing the audience off the scent it would be too strong for the Flash Gordon inspired movies he was creating. (Considering that the original pulp serial cliffhangers were made specifically for a child audience).

 

[Asta]

I think he had general ideas in mind but yeah it's clear not everything was as well thought out as he'd like people to believe. Hell he couldn't even make up his mind as to what he wanted the final cuts of the films to be and had to keep making changes with each new home video release.

I think Lucas revealed his creative process through the character of Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark...

 

[amstel]

The look is great but I think I will hold off on making a decision until after I have seen the movie.

Hey buddy. Been a while. I have already got Ren on PO and I haven't seen the movie yet. I just have a good feeling especially that JJ Abrams is behind the production and they kicked George Lucas to the curb and threw away his script he had written for the next three SW movies after ROTJ. I'm sorry but Lucas ruined the PT for me and especially with all of those Ewoks in ROTJ. Ugh. I have faith in JJ Abrams that he'll pull this off. [emoji6]

 

[cmiller99]

I think he had general ideas in mind but yeah it's clear not everything was as well thought out as he'd like people to believe. Hell he couldn't even make up his mind as to what he wanted the final cuts of the films to be and had to keep making changes with each new home video release.

That too. Lucas' constant tinkering with the OT really shows how he can't make up his mind, especially when he changes things, and then reverts those changes (like Luke's scream in ESB).

Even if Lucas was merely throwing the audience off the scent it would be too strong for the Flash Gordon inspired movies he was creating. (Considering that the original pulp serial cliffhangers were made specifically for a child audience).

Absolutely.

 

[Motuxmen]

Why is there a SSC Yoda's Hut on display? Look on the right.

Also..hot toys is the Asian distribution hub for sideshow. Same way sideshow is the distribution hub in other parts of the world for hot toys.

 

[Pixelpiper]

If I remember correctly he just told him that he had more trilogies planned.

Snikt wasn't born until after the OT was long out of theaters, but he was there. At least his pre-birth Force Ghost. So he knows his stuff. He's a man after all - his mother told him so this past summer when she took him to see Avengers 2, which incidentally was also conceived of by George Lucas.

You can tell the relative age of a Force Ghost spirit by some of the language peppered throughout the writings of the re-born body. You see, 'bruh' was an ancient term of affection commonly used by the Sodomites.

Now WRT this Kylo Ren figure, some might argue it's a sort of retelling of the Joseph Smith story, where he's trying to pick up and take off from the writings of the past. Some others would argue it's pointless to speculate and better to watch the movie first.

 

[Prime Clone]

Otherwise is has always been and will always be, "I couldn't care less" which implies you don't care.

It was originally "couldn't" but has evolved with time and usage into "could". Either is correct.

unless that person was part of the active pop culture that put STAR WARS on the map and read voraciously the magazines and articles and interviews of the day.

Last time I quoted a magazine from "back in the day" (official SW poster mag) its legitimacy was questioned.

 

[Travis Baumann]

In terms of what Lucas had in mind for the entire galaxy.. you guys have seen the original screen play right? It was recently translated into a comic series too in case you would rather see it in that form.

It is VERY different. He did not plan out the entire OT let alone the PT at the time of the first film. He may have had a serial in mind and obviously wanted to jump right in at episode "IV" because he wanted it to feel like a well-lived in universe that we were just catching up to. Someone on here posted old Flash Gordon crawls that are near identical. He was going for that old pulp sci-fi soap opera in space vibe and he went all in on Empire/Jedi.... "Long lost sister? What, your my father?, etc." I am not bashing on it mind you, I love it for what it is but it was not planned out at all at the time of ANH.

 

[Travis Baumann]

But what's the maximum resolution of film? Surely there's a limit to that too....

The majority of movies are being shot digitally today. The most common hi-end digital film camera is currently the Alexa by Arri with it's native format being 2880x2160. This is basically referred to as 3k even though it is just shy of 3000 pixels at its width. Most films will down-res this to 2048 or 2k and that is still the standard working resolution of most post productions.

Film, when it is still used. (Nolan shoots on film as do a few other diehards) is commonly scanned at 2048x1156 (2k). For shots where post blow-ups or lots of detail is needed it will be scanned at 4k (4096 pixels across). When dealing with actual film, the grain (produced by silver halide crystals) are inherent in the film. Different film stocks and lighting conditions dictate how significant the grain is. Scanning at a higher resolution at a point will no longer give better clarity as pretty soon the pixels are smaller than the grain and there is nothing that con be done with that

For comparison IMAX native film is 6K square. It is a huge format and the majority of what you see as IMAX presentations are actually up-rez'd from 2k or at 3k if digitally acquired at that resolution.

At the time of TPM the Alexa by Arri was not available. At the time Panavision was working on a digital format camera (Genesis) and although the sensor was 2k, the technology of feeding what was on the sensor back to the storage device was not fast enough to accommodate the full format so it was truncated both in color depth and overall resolution. Lucas initially had all six existing cameras for the beginning of the PTM shoot. A few months in, all of them were returned as they had severe issues. The most extreme was due to the compression/transfer methods, a horrible magenta chromatic aberration would appear on the edge of anything shot against green. Seeing as how so much of the movie was against green screen this obviously was a huge issue.

While working on the initial tests for Matrix II we used these cameras and could not get anything decent out of them. Our internal R&D guys at Manex assisted in re-writing the compression code to assist in reducing the issues but still was not great.

The current Alexa digital camera is leaps and bounds over anything available for years after the PT was finished. For the record, some of those films are shot on actual celluloid but what parts I am not sure.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Last time I quoted a magazine from "back in the day" (official SW poster mag) its legitimacy was questioned.

Of course it was.

It's almost pointless to argue a point of understanding. You can always default to: what if the source was lying (like Lucas HAS done often). Thus, what "truth" really is there.

There is only what you knew to be "the truth" at a given point in time.

 

[SNIKT1950]

The majority of movies are being shot digitally today. The most common hi-end digital film camera is currently the Alexa by Arri with it's native format being 2880x2160. This is basically referred to as 3k even though it is just shy of 3000 pixels at its width. Most films will down-res this to 2048 or 2k and that is still the standard working resolution of most post productions.

Film, when it is still used. (Nolan shoots on film as do a few other diehards) is commonly scanned at 2048x1156 (2k). For shots where post blow-ups or lots of detail is needed it will be scanned at 4k (4096 pixels across). When dealing with actual film, the grain (produced by silver halide crystals) are inherent in the film. Different film stocks and lighting conditions dictate how significant the grain is. Scanning at a higher resolution at a point will no longer give better clarity as pretty soon the pixels are smaller than the grain and there is nothing that con be done with that

For comparison IMAX native film is 6K square. It is a huge format and the majority of what you see as IMAX presentations are actually up-rez'd from 2k or at 3k if digitally acquired at that resolution.

At the time of TPM the Alexa by Arri was not available. At the time Panavision was working on a digital format camera (Genesis) and although the sensor was 2k, the technology of feeding what was on the sensor back to the storage device was not fast enough to accommodate the full format so it was truncated both in color depth and overall resolution. Lucas initially had all six existing cameras for the beginning of the PTM shoot. A few months in, all of them were returned as they had severe issues. The most extreme was due to the compression/transfer methods, a horrible magenta chromatic aberration would appear on the edge of anything shot against green. Seeing as how so much of the movie was against green screen this obviously was a huge issue.

While working on the initial tests for Matrix II we used these cameras and could not get anything decent out of them. Our internal R&D guys at Manex assisted in re-writing the compression code to assist in reducing the issues but still was not great.

The current Alexa digital camera is leaps and bounds over anything available for years after the PT was finished. For the record, some of those films are shot on actual celluloid but what parts I am not sure.

Phantom Menace was shot on film.

 

[Pixelpiper]

Phantom Menace was shot on film.

 

[Darth Lam]

PT Yoda was awesome.

More importantly, are these guys just wearing socks?

 

[cmiller99]

Phantom Menace was shot on film.

It was after the cameras malfunctioned. But they'd sorted that problem by AOTC and ROTS.

More importantly, are these guys just wearing socks?

I've never noticed that Big, red, woolly socks...

 

[FREEKDOM]

I've never noticed that Big, red, woolly socks...

I was too busy taking note how scripted their falls looked.

 

[Space Jockey]

The majority of movies are being shot digitally today. The most common hi-end digital film camera is currently the Alexa by Arri with it's native format being 2880x2160. This is basically referred to as 3k even though it is just shy of 3000 pixels at its width. Most films will down-res this to 2048 or 2k and that is still the standard working resolution of most post productions.

Film, when it is still used. (Nolan shoots on film as do a few other diehards) is commonly scanned at 2048x1156 (2k). For shots where post blow-ups or lots of detail is needed it will be scanned at 4k (4096 pixels across). When dealing with actual film, the grain (produced by silver halide crystals) are inherent in the film. Different film stocks and lighting conditions dictate how significant the grain is. Scanning at a higher resolution at a point will no longer give better clarity as pretty soon the pixels are smaller than the grain and there is nothing that con be done with that

For comparison IMAX native film is 6K square. It is a huge format and the majority of what you see as IMAX presentations are actually up-rez'd from 2k or at 3k if digitally acquired at that resolution.

At the time of TPM the Alexa by Arri was not available. At the time Panavision was working on a digital format camera (Genesis) and although the sensor was 2k, the technology of feeding what was on the sensor back to the storage device was not fast enough to accommodate the full format so it was truncated both in color depth and overall resolution. Lucas initially had all six existing cameras for the beginning of the PTM shoot. A few months in, all of them were returned as they had severe issues. The most extreme was due to the compression/transfer methods, a horrible magenta chromatic aberration would appear on the edge of anything shot against green. Seeing as how so much of the movie was against green screen this obviously was a huge issue.

While working on the initial tests for Matrix II we used these cameras and could not get anything decent out of them. Our internal R&D guys at Manex assisted in re-writing the compression code to assist in reducing the issues but still was not great.

The current Alexa digital camera is leaps and bounds over anything available for years after the PT was finished. For the record, some of those films are shot on actual celluloid but what parts I am not sure.

Travis: Thank you for the detailed explanation.

 

[Motuxmen]

Of course it was.

It's almost pointless to argue a point of understanding. You can always default to: what if the source was lying (like Lucas HAS done often). Thus, what "truth" really is there.

There is only what you knew to be "the truth" at a given point in time.

I don't get what difference makes when or if Lucas changed or added stuff. We know the original films where changed numerous times during filming becuase of issues.

Like complaining yoda wasn't designed to be a sword smith...and it's bad becuase Lucas changed it later. Well, if he never changed anything Yoda would have been essentially Jar Jar. He was originally written to be comic relief while Obi was on degoba training luke. It was changed when the actor playing Obi Wan wanted less work and less ties to the film, this resulted in the whole story needing to be changed. All three actually. Things happend with Harrison Ford that resulted in changes. Things happend with the studio that resulted in the original plan of Lukes long lost sister being found in film six or seven or eight being done in film two, thus changing it from some new character to Leia.

The original trilogy was written and planned to be very similar in tone and story to what happend with the PT. it was accidents and problems that actually changed it to a completly different story. Lucas wrote the original. He wrote the changes.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I don't get what difference makes when or if Lucas changed or added stuff. We know the original films where changed numerous times during filming becuase of issues.

Like complaining yoda wasn't designed to be a sword smith...and it's bad becuase Lucas changed it later. Well, if he never changed anything Yoda would have been essentially Jar Jar. He was originally written to be comic relief while Obi was on degoba training luke. It was changed when the actor playing Obi Wan wanted less work and less ties to the film, this resulted in the whole story needing to be changed. All three actually. Things happend with Harrison Ford that resulted in changes. Things happend with the studio that resulted in the original plan of Lukes long lost sister being found in film six or seven or eight being done in film two, thus changing it from some new character to Leia.

The original trilogy was written and planned to be very similar in tone and story to what happend with the PT. it was accidents and problems that actually changed it to a completly different story. Lucas wrote the original. He wrote the changes.

Good post.

There's such a desire by some posters here [with delusions of grandeur] to bash Lucas and to question his vision from day 1 because the PT wasn't what they imagined it would be. I find it hilarious because they defend the OT to the death but bash Lucas to the point that they almost wish he hadn't created the OT.

I love Star Wars as a whole. Canon, EU, etc. Its a much more rewarding experience as a fan to not live my life crapping all over the guy who created everything that is Star Wars.