1/6 Hot Toys - MMS 320 - Star Wars Ep.VII - Kylo Ren

[SNIKT1950]

There were no Sith in Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi.

That's incorrect. There were two Sith in the OT: Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker.

There was one guy who had the title, "Lord of the Sith" but nothing about any Sith people/empire/race/whatever.

"Sith Lord" is the title of a Sith. Again, there were two.

 

[Pixelpiper]

"Sith Lord" is the title of a Sith. Again, there were two.

There were none. Please watch the movies again. And then again. And one more time to get it into your head. What was "Sith" in the PT was not in the OT. After that, even if you take into account what was exposed in the PT, would only still possibly leave Palpatine, as Anakin was most definitely not.

 

[SNIKT1950]

What is the secret between Kylo and Rey? Brother and sister? Soon to be lovers? Or lovers who find that they are brother and sister? Lucas almost went that way.

My guess is Kylo is Han and Leia's son.

My theory on Rey is that she was conceived by the Force to destroy the new Sith, so she's a daughter only to Leia.

 

[Wor-Gar]

My guess is Kylo is Han and Leia's son.

Then you'd be correct.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Then you'd be correct.

Given Driver's similarities with Ford (tall, stoic) it makes sense.

 

[mynameschris]

Then you'd be correct.

Unless he and you are both wrong... but then I will be wrong too as I think the same (so if we are at least we have company)

 

[Wor-Gar]

Given Driver's similarities with Ford (tall, stoic) it makes sense.

It makes sense simply because its Star Wars and that (Sons and Fathers; lineage) has been a driving force in the narrative since the beginning.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Sorry, Freaks, but it seems that some members here need to chill out.

Thread temporarily closed.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Keep things civil or I start handing out two week all expenses paid vacations.

You've been warned.

Thread reopened.

 

[dao2]

that was short

 

[YankeesFanboy]

that was short

You're really testing Snoop's patience/benevolence, aren't ya?

 

[Darth Snoopy]

You're really testing Snoop's patience/benevolence, aren't ya?

LMAO! +1

 

[YankeesFanboy]

LMAO! +1

Thanks Snoop! Beagles of the Sith are forgiving, but they're not that forgiving.

 

[Travis Baumann]

Nevertheless, you're arguing that a licensed card game based on the film is wrong. .

You either want to be argumentive or have trouble with reading comprehension. I am not saying it is lying or wrong, it is inconclusive as it has been simplified in order to provide good game mechanics. Taking a wild guess but I am guessing you gamed at some point in your life. Things get altered in order to classify things for the sake of game play. All I said was that I don't think something as complex as good character development rely on something so simplified as good or evil or allegiances as spelled out in a card game.

You'd have a point if the symbols read "Dark Side" or "Light Side". There's a reason they don't - which to me is pretty obvious: Rey is the film's rising Jedi and Kylo the rising Sith..

Again, see above. You are arguing Star Wars mythos/philosophy (which is a fictional creation by the way) for what you foresee the characters to be about - and here is my point - based on a pre-release card game. My point is not that you are wrong in your presumptions but that this is not a solid basis to convince others that this will hold true at the end of the day.

I'm not against the idea of gray areas in the Force but Star Wars in the end is about Good vs. Evil, the good being the Jedi and the Evil being the Sith.

But there is plenty of other scum and villainy out there just as there are other heros. Han and Chewy are not Jedi but very important to the success of the story. R2-D2, not a Jedi but definitely a good guy. Whether Finn is Rebel or Jedi doesn't matter, looks like he is for the good.

If you're against the idea of Kylo being a Sith and Rey a Jedi then I think the movie will disappoint you.

Whoa... not against it.. just they need to get there through a path... called a character arc, all good movie heroes have one.

All our Jedi's have to be trained... the force may be a natural gift but they are usually ignorant to its true nature.. hence the risk of them falling to the Dark Side without help. All I am saying is that neither of these characters will start the movie in the role you are suggesting... they may get there but I hope we get to learn a bit with them as they find their place in the force.

 

[Shawpaw]

Um....so anyways. The more I see of this guy, the more I like the design. I cannot stand Adam driver but am willing to look past that. If he ruins this character then I may have to send him a mean tweet

 

[LoveMinusZero]

I'm not sure how Driver could ruin a character we've never seen before. I did think he was an odd choice when I first found out, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I know almost nothing about him, so I'm happy to go into the film open to what he might bring to this role.


(btw the 1990 Turtles are the best)

 

[Tee-Kay]

Pretty sure Driver will do alright. With all due respect to Dave Prowse and Ray Parks, they were not top of the class actors but they were more than good enough to flesh out two of the best ever villains.

 

[Shawpaw]

I guess it's just that my wife watched HBO's Girls and he was on it. Soooooooo annoying. That show deserves a special place in hell.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

I guess it's just that my wife watched HBO's Girls and he was on it. Soooooooo annoying. That show deserves a special place in hell.

You said it, brother. Repped.

 

[IronPatriotFTW]

There were none. Please watch the movies again. And then again. And one more time to get it into your head. What was "Sith" in the PT was not in the OT. After that, even if you take into account what was exposed in the PT, would only still possibly leave Palpatine, as Anakin was most definitely not.

I'm Going to have to disagree about that....

If we are leaving race out of it, because after Disney gutted the EU im not sure if the actual Sith race exists or not anymore, and we are going by a pure apples to oranges comparison... Sith is to Jedi style... Darth Vader was absolutely a sith lord and doing sith philosophy. Arguably as soon as he assisted unwittingly in Master Windu's possible (i still have hope) demise...


ill even go into further argument towards the fact he was in the OT, due to the fact that the return of "jedi" could not have happened. Luke was never properly or even lengthily trained to be a Jedi in the first place (he would have been the youngling who never graduated) ... so it was really the return of the republic...and more so if it was in fact the return of the Jedi as the movie would have you believe. And Force Ghosts only can do so much....

Ani has years and years of sith training's and IMO is absolutely sith by the time we are once again (first?) introduced to him... in fact his redeeming move of killing Palps is even completing/ending the sith circle of apprentice killing master.


i know my point/argument isnt as well written as i wish, but i think the point comes across....


also the sith rule of two was, by again movie and clone wars standards , more in effect during the OT with palp and vader, then it was in the PT-CW-OT start... because we had Dooku, ventress, Savage ect.... some more "sith" then others but certainly no less then Vader....


Im sure you have your own logic behind your reasoning, but i healthily disagree and raise you a question as to your thinking....