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[Darthgothikus]

Yea but Jack Sparrow had the same canon through all of films...how do you explain his success?

He's not an adapted characters with decades of source material to be intepreted differently, Johnny Depp IS Jack Sparrow, same as Will Ferrell IS Ron Burgundy, there can never be others playing those charactesr.

Jack Sparrow's films has also gotten progressivle worse though

Ha ha! Wonderfully missed "canon" joke!

 

[DGTWoodward]

Ha ha! Wonderfully missed "canon" joke!

You mean the one that parts 2, 3 and 4 should have been fired out of....?

 

[Darthgothikus]

Boom, boom!

 

[DGTWoodward]

Boom, boom!

Put it there my friend...You set them up, I knock'em down!

 

[Ramatuelle]

General reply: if some of you enjoy a rehash of a character's origins with every new film released, good for you because the studios certainly have you in mind. To me, origin rehash after rehash after rehash wastes valuable screen time that we could use to do something, I dont know.... something INTERESTING?

Are people so worthlessly LAZY nowdays that we can't have people see a movie and go to themself, "You know, Character X was cool! I want to know more about him....yeah. I'm going to go rent movie #1 in the franchise. Great idea!" Or go all hog-wild and go read some comic books about the character....??!! Guess those things are out nowadays.

I am grateful that Iron Man, Captain America and Thor are not being put through this wringer with every film they're in. Since I am tired of Spidey being put through it [not to mention the franchise is not NEARLY old enough to need a reboot], I'll keep passing as long as they keep dredging up Uncle Ben or whatever.

Safe money says the next Spidey film is going to deal with not only that, but Gwen getting thrown off the bridge by Norman Osborn. *headdesk*

 

[ThorsThunder]

Its not marvel. The studio holds the rights to it but under the condition that a movie must be made so many years or the spiderman license and brand reverts over to Disney who now owns marvel. Same deal with xmen

It isnt Marvel studios making the movies but they still have a huge amount of input as to what happens in it. A lot of times they give liberties to costume designing and changes they will still capitalize on with merchandise but character traditions are guided by Marvel.

 

[Apone]

Ha ha! Wonderfully missed "canon" joke!

Its so much funnier that he continued to explain himself and refute my comment.

 

[Solarsailor]

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I think your mostly right although sometimes a re-re-boot is not the worst idea if they made a real mess of the first film (Hulk springs to mind - not that the next one was that much better).

With Spidey I agree it was not only too early but there was nothing wrong with the trilogy for it to need a reset.

I think in this case Sony are looking at how much comic book movies are churning out and are cashing in $$$$$$$$$$$

They may even be trying to crack a deal to get Spidey into the next Avengers and snatch some cash.

 

[Jme_c]

Safe money says the next Spidey film is going to deal with not only that, but Gwen getting thrown off the bridge by Norman Osborn. *headdesk*

and what other story would you have them tell then?

 

[galmando]

I see a lot of folk yammering on about the Spidey re-boot like it's 100th time it's happened

Get real folk, it's the first re-boot, Batman had the exact same thing happen and i don't see anywhere near as much complaining

Now i know people will say that the original Bat-franchise was much longer ago, but i think it's also worth pointing out that it's a good example of how poor a franchise can get if it's allowed to continue with no re-invigoration. Forever and Batman and Robin were terrible

The second example would be Superman, number 3 n 4 and then Returns, jeez.

Spiderman 3 was terrible, some people seem to think that Hollywood and the Studio (!) are suckering folk into spending their money watching the origin again, yet those same people wanted a franchise to continue that had third film pressured by the Studio (!) to include characters that the director didn't even want. Which ultimately resulted in a convoluted mess of a movie

Ultimately, you have to accept that fact that these films aren't just made for fanboys, as shocking as it may be. It's a business that needs generate money and therefore attract new audiences, younger audiences, kids who will want all the toys

I mean, what kind of adult is gonna buy the toys, right?

 

[Jme_c]

I see a lot of folk yammering on about the Spidey re-boot like it's 100th time it's happened

Get real folk, it's the first re-boot, Batman had the exact same thing happen and i don't see anywhere near as much complaining

Now i know people will say that the original Bat-franchise was much longer ago, but i think it's also worth pointing out that it's a good example of how poor a franchise can get if it's allowed to continue with no re-invigoration. Forever and Batman and Robin were terrible

The second example would be Superman, number 3 n 4 and then Returns, jeez.

Spiderman 3 was terrible, some people seem to think that Hollywood and the Studio (!) are suckering folk into spending their money watching the origin again, yet those same people wanted a franchise to continue that had third film pressured by the Studio (!) to include characters that the director didn't even want. Which ultimately resulted in a convoluted mess of a movie

Ultimately, you have to accept that fact that these films aren't just made for fanboys, as shocking as it may be. It's a business that needs generate money and therefore attract new audiences, younger audiences, kids who will want all the toys

I mean, what kind of adult is gonna buy the toys, right?

 

[TheVictor11]

and what other story would you have them tell then?

The one where Norman Osborn have 2 kids with Gwen, who age to adulthood over 5 years and hunt down Spider-Man.

That makes the most sense, right?

EDIT: In case people thought I pulled that out of my arse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_and_Sarah_Stacy

right?

 

[JamesHBK]

Perfectly Put

 

[Ramatuelle]

and what other story would you have them tell then?

Any one of the dozens and dozens and literally DOZENS of interesting Spider stories that embellish his decades-long run as one of the most popular superheroes ever, that's what.

Are you seriously saying that the only interesting things about Spidey are his origin and the Goblin throwing Gwen off a bridge...? Surely you cannot be saying that.

someone else: Get real folk, it's the first re-boot, Batman had the exact same thing happen and i don't see anywhere near as much complaining

We have seen Batman's origins AT LEAST twice on fim now, and there's no reason to think we wont be looking at it again sometime soon.

TWICE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.

God, its like you people *want* to watch the same stuff over and over, never branching out. And don't get me started on Lex Luthor. I love Lex but he's had enough screen time; as if Superman has only one villain.

 

[TheVictor11]

Any one of the dozens and dozens and literally DOZENS of interesting Spider stories that embellish his decades-long run as one of the most popular superheroes ever, that's what.

Are you seriously saying that the only interesting things about Spidey are his origin and the Goblin throwing Gwen off a bridge...? Surely you cannot be saying that.



We have seen Batman's origins AT LEAST twice on fim now, and there's no reason to think we wont be looking at it again sometime soon.

TWICE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.

God, its like you people *want* to watch the same stuff over and over, never branching out. And don't get me started on Lex Luthor. I love Lex but he's had enough screen time; as if Superman has only one villain.

Are they actually planning on rebooting spider-man again?

 

[Gipetto0812]

TWICE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.

If your think twice is enough then whats the problem with ASM? It's only the second time his origin has been told on screen

Reboot origin stories are not only meant for new audiences but also to introduce the new actor. I'm one of the few that actuall really likes Superman Returns, but you knew that he was trying to be Reeve, he wasn't trying to be a new superman. And maybe it wasn't the Routh who specifically that wanted to be like Reeve (even though he said when he read the script, he pictured Reeve not himself as Superman) but maybe the director, as it was clearly meant to be a continuation of the Reeve movies. The movie did terrible and most ppl don't like the movie in the first place. So if Sony put Garfield in the Rami costume and tried to make spiderman 4 instead of starting over I have a feeling the same thing would've happened, it would've flopped big time.

God, its like you people *want* to watch the same stuff over and over, never branching out. And don't get me started on Lex Luthor. I love Lex but he's had enough screen time; as if Superman has only one villain.

While Lex may have been in Superman movies a lot, he hasn't been done right. The only time Lex has been done even close to right was in Smallville. Sorry, but Lex isn't a bald dude who's obssessed with real estate : plus it's not like Lex is even in MoS and if he is, Snyder's been keep a tight lid on him and who's playing him

Who was done reasonably well in Superman 2 was Zod who I am tired of being the go to villain all the time. He was done well once, give Superman someone else to go toe to toe with like Metallo and have Lex as the guy in the background pulling the strings.

 

[Ramatuelle]

I think my problem with Spidey is that all three of the Raimi films dealt in large part with.... his origin. We had a recurring theme running through the movies, as to his motivations. This was not a bad thing of itself, its just that less than five years [I think] after the third film bombed, the series has been rebooted and we're going to do it all over again. I dont have the sheer patience to sit through all that a second time. I bet a lot of people don't.

So I will be off watching the other Marvel films, where we have the ground-work out of the way and we're off and running - doing new stuff like making Loki suffer for his crimes, having Thanos show up to challenge the Avengers and seeing some half undead/half elf warlock show up in Asgard and kick Thor where it hurts the most- repeatedly.

I'd much rather see that than see the Goblin dangling someone ELSE off that damn bridge; we've seen that already. Then Mary Jane's gonna show up and we're going to go through that whole unrequited love business till Peter hits the jackpot.... AGAIN.

Seen that too. *snooze* This is just me, if people like watching endless rehashes I guess I should stop raining on their parades.

p.s. I agree with you, Gipetto that Luthor has never really been done justice onscreen. Which is a real shame. I remember way back in the first film, was discretely scratching my head and going "...whaaaaat.....?" lol, and things have improved a bit since then for Lex - but not much.

 

[TheVictor11]

I'd much rather see that than see the Goblin dangling someone ELSE off that damn bridge; we've seen that already. Then Mary Jane's gonna show up and we're going to go through that whole unrequited love business till Peter hits the jackpot.... AGAIN.

I feel like your expectations are unrealistic. You're asking to change a significant part of Spider-Man's life, people flipped their heads when they changed the reason why he wanted to become Spider-Man in the first place.

I see meeting MJ as relevant as Superman meeting Lex Luthur or Cyclops and Wolverine bashing heads. Just because it's been done before doesn't mean it'll be done the exact same way and have the exact same feel.

Bring on Gwen's death and the intro to MJ.

 

[Solarsailor]

I feel like your expectations are unrealistic.

Not really, I sort of agree with him, there's tons of massive changes across all comic book movies. These day's you don't even have to watch the movie's, just watch the 3 trailers and TV spots and BAM - there's your movie. Even 1 trailer is enough sometimes.

Your not trying to tell people that they forgot about spidey's origins already? Batman fair enough, that was a long time but really most people know who these people are, even if you don't know how they got there. My mum knows sweet FA about Batman but I bet if asked her she'd have a pretty decent answer.

You can make a good comic book film without spelling things out. The first X-men movie went straight in at the deep end and it was popular (and good).

 

[TheVictor11]

Not really, I sort of agree with him, there's tons of massive changes across all comic book movies. These day's you don't even have to watch the movie's, just watch the 3 trailers and TV spots and BAM - there's your movie. Even 1 trailer is enough sometimes.

Your not trying to tell people that they forgot about spidey's origins already? Batman fair enough, that was a long time but really most people know who these people are, even if you don't know how they got there. My mum knows sweet FA about Batman but I bet if asked her she'd have a pretty decent answer.

You can make a good comic book film without spelling things out. The first X-men movie went straight in at the deep end and it was popular (and good).

I suppose so. I agree origin stories don't need to be retold all the time, but if you just went with Batman or Spider-Man as an example without doing an origins then they would've had a lot of limitations. You wouldn't have had Fox or Wayne's girl(I forget her name) Alfred as someone other than an old butler, you would've had organic web shooters, Peter being a grown up and getting married. It's too much to work around and if you don't establish that it's a retelling then you get a confused audience.

Was it too early for Spider-Man's origins to be retold? Kinda but it was necessary to have him fit in the Marvel universe. I will say it would've been nice just to do his origins in flashbacks or through the opening credits and get on with the plot.

I'm just saying, reboots are fine to me as long as it's not the same story told in the exact same way. There were enough changes in the new ASM to justify it. If you go by the "See 1-3 trailers and you've seen the whole movie" logic then that goes for pretty much every movie out there. The world of film breaks down to a mold everyone can predict. It's about how the story is told.