1/6 Hot Toys MMS200 - Man of Steel: Superman Collectible Figure

[Walker]

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[nickshaw2814]

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They just need to push that through production right now! Perfect!

 

[Ombudsman]

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Love it! Thanks for the shots

 

[Ramatuelle]

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He looks A-FREAKING-MAZING. Glad to see the gauntlets are no longer black, nor does he appear fat.

Jor-El's looking pretty right, too

 

[Khev]

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Just getting red x's for Walker's pics. Shoot.

 

[New_Kryptonian]

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I actually like Batman more than I do Superman. But saying he can take Superman is just crazy. All Superman has to do is grab Bats and take him up to a Wayne Enterprises satellite, sit him on it and fly off. I really want to see Bats get out of that one.

Superman has been known to push planets out of their orbits. Saying Batman could take him in a fair fight is just.... nah.

Depends on the version of Superman that you are referring too. Some interpretations limit his abilities and cap his powers. Others make him basically a god with no limit. I'm a huuuuuge Batman fan and know that this debate has been going ever since these two first came together. Personally I like the Act of God story line. It showed Superman without powers and no way to get them back when he feels that Superman and his powers define him and he basically feels useless and like a pile of crap while the others train under Batman so that they can still be heroes. "The will to act."

And a fair fight would mean that both parties are on equal grounds which can't happen. Batman could never gain Superman's powers (for sake of argument) and Superman without his powers would get his *** whooped. There is never a fair fight between these two

There's something that everyone is forgetting: It was established before the relaunch (after New 52, everything is in the air again, and that detail hasn't been referenced yet), that: 1) the more time Superman stays under a yellow sun, the more resilient he becomes to the effects of green kryptonite, and 2) Kryptonite can ALSO hurt human beings, since it's a radioactive element.

Let me expand on both themes.

1 ) The idea of Superman's increasing resilience was first brought up in "Kingdom Come", in which we were presented with a middle-aged Superman, but much stronger and immune to kryptonite. It was mentioned that this was a natural development of staying on Earth, under the radiation of the sun. Of course, his vulnerability to magic persisted, but that's beyond the point.

At first, Kingdom Come was considered to be out of continuity, but later stories (when they tried to implement an incomprehensible concept named "Hypertime"... that's better forgotten), like "The Kingdom", stuff seen in Morrison's run of JLA, "Infinite Crisis" and the issues of "Justice Society of America" by Geoff Johns and Alex Ross, opened the door to not only bring the Kingdom Come Superman, but also to introduce many ideas and character designs from that story into regular continuity, including (but no limited to) Wonder Woman's "golden eagle" armor, Northwind being redesigned to look like Kingdom Come's Hawkman (remember him? He was part of Black Adam's team during the "Black Reign" storyline, alongside Atom Smasher, Nemesis, and Eclipso/Alex Montez), and of course, Superman's increasing resilience to the effects of kryptonite.

Of course, it wasn't clearly established at which extent Superman was capable of resisting the effects of kryptonite just before Flashpoint, but it's fair to assume that he was a lot less vulnerable than in the days of John Byrne.


2 ) Arguably, Superman, at the moment prior to Flashpoint, couldn't be killed with the old kryptonite ring wore by Lex Luthor, that he gave to Batman at the end of "The Dark Knight over Metropolis", for instance.

You'd need a bigger chunk, and that would have been dangerous for the person using the kryptonite. Don't forget that kryptonite can (could? It's still not clear in the New 52) also hurt human beings. Not as much or as instantly as it hurts a kryptonian under normal conditions (Superman is not under "normal conditions" after so many years living under the yellow sun), but remember that Lex Luthor lost his hand for the prolonged use of the kryptonite ring, and that Kryptonite Man hurt Jimmy Olsen during the "Up, up, and away" storyline, when Jimmy jumped to protect Superman.

So, Batman, or any human being would need to take extra precautions in the use of kryptonite, it cannot be used indiscriminately. Any human exposing themselves to kryptonite could get sick as a result for abusing it.


By the way... thanks for the photos, Walker! The figure looks AWESOME! Glad I preordered it. It's gonna be my first Hot Toy!

 

[nickshaw2814]

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There's something that everyone is forgetting: It was established before the relaunch (after New 52, everything is in the air again, and that detail hasn't been referenced yet), that: 1) the more time Superman stays under a yellow sun, the more resilient he becomes to the effects of green kryptonite, and 2) Kryptonite can ALSO hurt human beings, since it's a radioactive element.

Let me expand on both themes.

1 ) The idea of Superman's increasing resilience was first brought up in "Kingdom Come", in which we were presented with a middle-aged Superman, but much stronger and immune to kryptonite. It was mentioned that this was a natural development of staying on Earth, under the radiation of the sun. Of course, his vulnerability to magic persisted, but that's beyond the point.

At first, Kingdom Come was considered to be out of continuity, but later stories (when they tried to implement an incomprehensible concept named "Hypertime"... that's better forgotten), like "The Kingdom", stuff seen in Morrison's run of JLA, "Infinite Crisis" and the issues of "Justice Society of America" by Geoff Johns and Alex Ross, opened the door to not only bring the Kingdom Come Superman, but also to introduce many ideas and character designs from that story into regular continuity, including (but no limited to) Wonder Woman's "golden eagle" armor, Northwind being redesigned to look like Kingdom Come's Hawkman (remember him? He was part of Black Adam's team during the "Black Reign" storyline, alongside Atom Smasher, Nemesis, and Eclipso/Alex Montez), and of course, Superman's increasing resilience to the effects of kryptonite.

Of course, it wasn't clearly established at which extent Superman was capable of resisting the effects of kryptonite just before Flashpoint, but it's fair to assume that he was a lot less vulnerable than in the days of John Byrne.


2 ) Arguably, Superman, at the moment prior to Flashpoint, couldn't be killed with the old kryptonite ring wore by Lex Luthor, that he gave to Batman at the end of "The Dark Knight over Metropolis", for instance.

You'd need a bigger chunk, and that would have been dangerous for the person using the kryptonite. Don't forget that kryptonite can (could? It's still not clear in the New 52) also hurt human beings. Not as much or as instantly as it hurts a kryptonian under normal conditions (Superman is not under "normal conditions" after so many years living under the yellow sun), but remember that Lex Luthor lost his hand for the prolonged use of the kryptonite ring, and that Kryptonite Man hurt Jimmy Olsen during the "Up, up, and away" storyline, when Jimmy jumped to protect Superman.

So, Batman, or any human being would need to take extra precautions in the use of kryptonite, it cannot be used indiscriminately. Any human exposing themselves to kryptonite could get sick as a result for abusing it.

First off Kingdom Come... best story ever done by DC. IMO of course but I think most would agree. Just had to get that out there lol

And Batman's suit i believe is designed to resist certain levels of radiation and I'm sure he has one that can resist very high level's as well. Ya know, since it's Batman. That and he always kept it in his belt pouch that was lined with lead for protection, not only for himself, but for Superman as well when they weren't going at it. But I'm just referring to Batman and Superman both in their prime's.

 

[DGTWoodward]

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This figure is just all shades of amazing! This MoS trio could easily share some awards!

but...

Hey, why isn't there an Official Annual Sideshow Freaks Awards type of system running. The SSF forum pages are, I am sure large enough and respected enough to be considered worth winning by the various toy/figure/statue makers.

To be awarded the (example only) first ever Sideshow Freaks Award For Best 1:6 Action Figure of 2013...winner HOT TOYS Man Of Steel GENERAL ZOD, would/must be pretty prestigious....no?

 

[DarthDiggler]

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Anyone else here unable to see the pics??

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

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There's something that everyone is forgetting: It was established before the relaunch (after New 52, everything is in the air again, and that detail hasn't been referenced yet), that: 1) the more time Superman stays under a yellow sun, the more resilient he becomes to the effects of green kryptonite, and 2) Kryptonite can ALSO hurt human beings, since it's a radioactive element.

Let me expand on both themes.

1 ) The idea of Superman's increasing resilience was first brought up in "Kingdom Come", in which we were presented with a middle-aged Superman, but much stronger and immune to kryptonite. It was mentioned that this was a natural development of staying on Earth, under the radiation of the sun. Of course, his vulnerability to magic persisted, but that's beyond the point.

At first, Kingdom Come was considered to be out of continuity, but later stories (when they tried to implement an incomprehensible concept named "Hypertime"... that's better forgotten), like "The Kingdom", stuff seen in Morrison's run of JLA, "Infinite Crisis" and the issues of "Justice Society of America" by Geoff Johns and Alex Ross, opened the door to not only bring the Kingdom Come Superman, but also to introduce many ideas and character designs from that story into regular continuity, including (but no limited to) Wonder Woman's "golden eagle" armor, Northwind being redesigned to look like Kingdom Come's Hawkman (remember him? He was part of Black Adam's team during the "Black Reign" storyline, alongside Atom Smasher, Nemesis, and Eclipso/Alex Montez), and of course, Superman's increasing resilience to the effects of kryptonite.

Of course, it wasn't clearly established at which extent Superman was capable of resisting the effects of kryptonite just before Flashpoint, but it's fair to assume that he was a lot less vulnerable than in the days of John Byrne.


2 ) Arguably, Superman, at the moment prior to Flashpoint, couldn't be killed with the old kryptonite ring wore by Lex Luthor, that he gave to Batman at the end of "The Dark Knight over Metropolis", for instance.

You'd need a bigger chunk, and that would have been dangerous for the person using the kryptonite. Don't forget that kryptonite can (could? It's still not clear in the New 52) also hurt human beings. Not as much or as instantly as it hurts a kryptonian under normal conditions (Superman is not under "normal conditions" after so many years living under the yellow sun), but remember that Lex Luthor lost his hand for the prolonged use of the kryptonite ring, and that Kryptonite Man hurt Jimmy Olsen during the "Up, up, and away" storyline, when Jimmy jumped to protect Superman.

So, Batman, or any human being would need to take extra precautions in the use of kryptonite, it cannot be used indiscriminately. Any human exposing themselves to kryptonite could get sick as a result for abusing it.


By the way... thanks for the photos, Walker! The figure looks AWESOME! Glad I preordered it. It's gonna be my first Hot Toy!

The ring Bruce wears(pre Flashpoint) is not intended to kill or even subdue. When he uses it in the Hush stoyline he knows it's only real prupose is to buy him time to implement other plans. Plus, as i said earlier, he's counting on Clark's innate goodness to overcome (at the time) his brainwashed state. He moves the fight underground so that Clark's flight is taken off the table. He breaks a gas main so that Clark's heat vision is also off the table. And he puts the fight directly under the Daily Planet building so that Clark will keep the collateral damage to a minimum. Bruce's exact quote is, "If Clark wanted to, he could use his super-speed to squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person.... and deep down, I'm not." Bruce then makes the mind controlled Clark decide if he wants to kill him(Batman) or save an innocent life(Lois). Bruce's plan was never to beat him. He even talks about how hitting Clark with the ring on is hurting. Even with his suit's padding and armor, he acknowledges that too many punches and it will break his hand.

Miller wrote a distorted view of both characters. Could Batman take Superman out? Yes. But he would never attempt to do so in a fist fight.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

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Pics are awesome. I cannot wait to have this guy in hand.

 

[yongkykun]

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I still think they went a bit mental with the chainmail texture effect but it is such a small quibble ever since they showed us the new body. God 2014 is one expensive year!

 

[DarthDiggler]

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God 2014 is one expensive year!

I wouldn't worry about that. This IS Hot Toys we are talking about here, after all.

 

[DGTWoodward]

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....God 201_ is one expensive year!

(add appropriate number here)

I have been saying this to myself for the last 4 years! Guess what, nothing has changed for us, regardless of us saying, that's it...no more HOT TOYS.

Yeah because like that is ever going to happen!

 

[New_Kryptonian]

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The ring Bruce wears(pre Flashpoint) is not intended to kill or even subdue. When he uses it in the Hush stoyline he knows it's only real prupose is to buy him time to implement other plans. Plus, as i said earlier, he's counting on Clark's innate goodness to overcome (at the time) his brainwashed state. He moves the fight underground so that Clark's flight is taken off the table. He breaks a gas main so that Clark's heat vision is also off the table. And he puts the fight directly under the Daily Planet building so that Clark will keep the collateral damage to a minimum. Bruce's exact quote is, "If Clark wanted to, he could use his super-speed to squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person.... and deep down, I'm not." Bruce then makes the mind controlled Clark decide if he wants to kill him(Batman) or save an innocent life(Lois). Bruce's plan was never to beat him. He even talks about how hitting Clark with the ring on is hurting. Even with his suit's padding and armor, he acknowledges that too many punches and it will break his hand.

Miller wrote a distorted view of both characters. Could Batman take Superman out? Yes. But he would never attempt to do so in a fist fight.

Agreed with both paragraphs, and I want to point out that Jeph Loeb's portrayal of Batman in "Hush" made a lot more sense than Miller's in "The Dark Knight Returns", and the situation you described perfectly illustrates how.

Miller's view in DKR is certainly distorted, and biased. Both characters come out as caricatures of themselves.

I always remember that scene during "A death in the family", when Superman arrives at the UN to stop Batman, because Joker has been made a diplomat, etc. Batman tried punching Superman, and although Superman "rolled with the punch", Batman still injured his hand.

Have you seen "Justice League Doom"? It more or less adapts "Tower of Babel" for animation but with some tweaks, and a final speech from Batman that make you wish it was included in the comic, because it humanizes him, somehow.

I still think they went a bit mental with the chainmail texture effect but it is such a small quibble ever since they showed us the new body. God 2014 is one expensive year!

I like the level of detail that they put in this figure, and I'm very happy too with the new body. I'm very hyped for this, and the whole "Man of Steel" line from Hot Toys!

I hope they announce Faora soon, and I'd also like to see the big kryptonian warrior, plus Quex-Ul (the kyptonian scientist allied to Zod), and Lois. But of course, all of that is wishful thinking. They'll probably stop at Faora.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

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Agreed with both paragraphs, and I want to point out that Jeph Loeb's portrayal of Batman in "Hush" made a lot more sense than Miller's in "The Dark Knight Returns", and the situation you described perfectly illustrates how.

Miller's view in DKR is certainly distorted, and biased. Both characters come out as caricatures of themselves.

I always remember that scene during "A death in the family", when Superman arrives at the UN to stop Batman, because Joker has been made a diplomat, etc. Batman tried punching Superman, and although Superman "rolled with the punch", Batman still injured his hand.

Have you seen "Justice League Doom"? It more or less adapts "Tower of Babel" for animation but with some tweaks, and a final speech from Batman that make you wish it was included in the comic, because it humanizes him, somehow.




I like the level of detail that they put in this figure, and I'm very happy too with the new body. I'm very hyped for this, and the whole "Man of Steel" line from Hot Toys!

I hope they announce Faora soon, and I'd also like to see the big kryptonian warrior, plus Quex-Ul (the kyptonian scientist allied to Zod), and Lois. But of course, all of that is wishful thinking. They'll probably stop at Faora.

Justice League Doom was amazing. I loved the tweaks to the story. Especially introducing Bane to take out Batman and burying him with his parents. That was so messed up.

I liked the ending becuase he remained true to the character. Batman would not apologize, for anything he did. But he and Superman are friends. If he were to even appear to back track a little it would be with Clark. i hope the movie has them establishing their friendship, and not going the Miller route.

 

[The Iron Koob]

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The ring Bruce wears(pre Flashpoint) is not intended to kill or even subdue. When he uses it in the Hush stoyline he knows it's only real prupose is to buy him time to implement other plans. Plus, as i said earlier, he's counting on Clark's innate goodness to overcome (at the time) his brainwashed state. He moves the fight underground so that Clark's flight is taken off the table. He breaks a gas main so that Clark's heat vision is also off the table. And he puts the fight directly under the Daily Planet building so that Clark will keep the collateral damage to a minimum. Bruce's exact quote is, "If Clark wanted to, he could use his super-speed to squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person.... and deep down, I'm not." Bruce then makes the mind controlled Clark decide if he wants to kill him(Batman) or save an innocent life(Lois). Bruce's plan was never to beat him. He even talks about how hitting Clark with the ring on is hurting. Even with his suit's padding and armor, he acknowledges that too many punches and it will break his hand.

Miller wrote a distorted view of both characters. Could Batman take Superman out? Yes. But he would never attempt to do so in a fist fight.

Agreed. People that don't understand these concepts don't really understand the characters imo. Batman does beat Superman because Superman can be manipulated and Batman will sink low to win at all costs. Upon first contact, I don't think Superman will ever expect that Batman actually believes he can win but Batman will have a plan and Superman will suddenly have to deal with a lot more seriousness than he had expected (like using his heat vision will blow the gas line and destroy the block)

 

[Frank Jaeger]

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Man does supes look good, I think the detail in the suit is superb. The lighting reflecting off it may make it seem to pronounced or have too much of an effect but i'm sure it will look less harsh in your display

General Zod too looks amazing the will compliment each other very well. I actually prefer this Superman look to the classic i think

 

[nickshaw2814]

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The ring Bruce wears(pre Flashpoint) is not intended to kill or even subdue. When he uses it in the Hush stoyline he knows it's only real prupose is to buy him time to implement other plans. Plus, as i said earlier, he's counting on Clark's innate goodness to overcome (at the time) his brainwashed state. He moves the fight underground so that Clark's flight is taken off the table. He breaks a gas main so that Clark's heat vision is also off the table. And he puts the fight directly under the Daily Planet building so that Clark will keep the collateral damage to a minimum. Bruce's exact quote is, "If Clark wanted to, he could use his super-speed to squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person.... and deep down, I'm not." Bruce then makes the mind controlled Clark decide if he wants to kill him(Batman) or save an innocent life(Lois). Bruce's plan was never to beat him. He even talks about how hitting Clark with the ring on is hurting. Even with his suit's padding and armor, he acknowledges that too many punches and it will break his hand.

Miller wrote a distorted view of both characters. Could Batman take Superman out? Yes. But he would never attempt to do so in a fist fight.

Another alternate story I really enjoy, and as you stated probably the most accurate. While Batman can "win" it has to be under certain conditions while Superman is at full strength.

Agreed. People that don't understand these concepts don't really understand the characters imo. Batman does beat Superman because Superman can be manipulated and Batman will sink low to win at all costs. Upon first contact, I don't think Superman will ever expect that Batman actually believes he can win but Batman will have a plan and Superman will suddenly have to deal with a lot more seriousness than he had expected (like using his heat vision will blow the gas line and destroy the block)

I think people understand I just think that they are biased to their favorite character and it's hard to look at the characters objectively lol

 

[WurstCollector]

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I just had a thought. An actor that can pull off the playboy billionaire with a dark knight obsession.. Don't judge,... Chris Pine.

I agree too, I think he would do a great job as Batman/Bruce Wayne. I'm not too sure about his height though.