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[vangeta]

My assertion that IGOR wouldn't fly well is based upon reason, not comic book or movie canon. It is hard enough to believe the regular suit could fly at all, let alone faster than a jet fighter, which is total BS, but IGOR flying as fast is just ridiculous. I can believe in Spiderman and the Hulk and Captain America and such, and even suspend logic enough to accept that the Mark 7 could fly well, for example, but the idea that IGOR could fly as fast is too much to accept.

By the way, I cannot accept that the individual pieces of the mark 42 could all fly to Stark individually at a few hundred mph and then assemble on him. I just can't do it.
It just doesn't make sense.

I can accept Thor flying with his hammer because it is magical, and Dr. Strange flying because he is magical, and therefore his propulsion does not depend upon aerodynamic lift, but I can't accept IGOR at anything more than 50 mph.

 

[Blackthornone]

Why? We have modern aircraft that fly much, much faster than 50mph for sustained periods which don't need to use adamantium in the thruster nozzles.

It's not about having enough thrust. It's about the size of the engines on proportion to the thrust generated. The engines on an airplane have to be thousands of times bigger than the engines in the armor, and thus would be able to generated thousands of times more thrust. On top of that, they have aerodynamic lift to make it even easier to go fast.

They didn't just make the SR-71 as big as it was just so it could be big and impressive. They did it because that was how big it needed to be to be a fast aircraft. Perhaps the X-15 rocket plane is a better example. It went faster than mach 6. The engines on that were thousands of times bigger than the engines on the IM.

Now, I'm not saying that you can't have the IM armor fly as fast as it does in the Marvel Universe or the movie. You just need Adamantium to make the engines with.

You have the ARC reactor for power, and it works. However, why not make the whole suit out of Adamantium if you can already get it for the rockets? Maybe because Stark wants 50 suits of armor, and he can't afford that much Adamantium? That sounds about right to me.
Maybe they actually ARE Adamantium engines and they just haven't told us yet?

Hmmm. I sense a no-prize is in order.

 

[Centrocal]

Is hulk taller then Igor or they pretty much the same hight?

Igor is 1 centimeter shorter than Monger and Hulk almost a head taller than Monger

 

[Furyan]

It's not about having enough thrust. It's about the size of the engines on proportion to the thrust generated. The engines on an airplane have to be thousands of times bigger than the engines in the armor, and thus would be able to generated thousands of times more thrust. On top of that, they have aerodynamic lift to make it even easier to go fast.

They didn't just make the SR-71 as big as it was just so it could be big and impressive. They did it because that was how big it needed to be to be a fast aircraft. Perhaps the X-15 rocket plane is a better example. It went faster than mach 6. The engines on that were thousands of times bigger than the engines on the IM.

Now, I'm not saying that you can't have the IM armor fly as fast as it does in the Marvel Universe or the movie. You just need Adamantium to make the engines with.

You have the ARC reactor for power, and it works. However, why not make the whole suit out of Adamantium if you can already get it for the rockets? Maybe because Stark wants 50 suits of armor, and he can't afford that much Adamantium? That sounds about right to me.
Maybe they actually ARE Adamantium engines and they just haven't told us yet?

Hmmm. I sense a no-prize is in order.

Its because Stark didn't want to copy Wolverine in any way. He's way to classy for that.

 

[Blackthornone]

Its because Stark didn't want to copy Wolverine in any way. He's way to classy for that.

Captain America is the one with the Adamantium/ Vibranium alloy shield.

 

[Centrocal]

The limitations of Repulsors is never established.

 

[Furyan]

Captain America is the one with the Adamantium/ Vibranium alloy shield.

Joke bro!

 

[CaptnRex]

It's not about having enough thrust. It's about the size of the engines on proportion to the thrust generated. The engines on an airplane have to be thousands of times bigger than the engines in the armor, and thus would be able to generated thousands of times more thrust. On top of that, they have aerodynamic lift to make it even easier to go fast.

Yeah we get it, you don't see how Igor could've possibly flown, what about the part where a man with a big hole in his chest also then puts a reactor in it? C'mon, it's a movie.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Yeah we get it, you don't see how Igor could've possibly flown, what about the part where a man with a big hole in his chest also then puts a reactor in it? C'mon, it's a movie.

 

[Username]

Yeah we get it, you don't see how Igor could've possibly flown, what about the part where a man with a big hole in his chest also then puts a reactor in it? C'mon, it's a movie.

The reactor is believable somehow.
But Tony flying any faster than 50MPH just strains the suspension of disbelief...(I wonder what makes 50MPH the magic number).
An armour that is skin tight(II, III, IV, VI, VII, and especially the smaller MKV), screwed together but water/airtight, can protect the user from any impact no matter how large, can fly using a magical thruster device that accepts electricity in one end from a reactor, and pumps out raw thrust on the other end, and it's the AERODYNAMICS of a larger suit(Which, ironically, has a LOT more internal area for larger thrusters) that isn't believable.

So. We have a guy here who watches sci-fi movies but can't enjoy them due to them being unrealistic.
I think we have a physics professor in our midst fellas...
Either that, or a maths teacher.

 

[boylost99]

and adamantium is not real either so....

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

The reactor is believable somehow.
But Tony flying any faster than 50MPH just strains the suspension of disbelief...(I wonder what makes 50MPH the magic number).
An armour that is skin tight(II, III, IV, VI, VII, and especially the smaller MKV), screwed together but water/airtight, can protect the user from any impact no matter how large, can fly using a magical thruster device that accepts electricity in one end from a reactor, and pumps out raw thrust on the other end, and it's the AERODYNAMICS of a larger suit(Which, ironically, has a LOT more internal area for larger thrusters) that isn't believable.

So. We have a guy here who watches sci-fi movies but can't enjoy them due to them being unrealistic.
I think we have a physics professor in our midst fellas...
Either that, or a maths teacher.

and adamantium is not real either so....

 

[Blackthornone]

The reactor is believable somehow.
But Tony flying any faster than 50MPH just strains the suspension of disbelief...(I wonder what makes 50MPH the magic number).
An armour that is skin tight(II, III, IV, VI, VII, and especially the smaller MKV), screwed together but water/airtight, can protect the user from any impact no matter how large, can fly using a magical thruster device that accepts electricity in one end from a reactor, and pumps out raw thrust on the other end, and it's the AERODYNAMICS of a larger suit(Which, ironically, has a LOT more internal area for larger thrusters) that isn't believable.

So. We have a guy here who watches sci-fi movies but can't enjoy them due to them being unrealistic.
I think we have a physics professor in our midst fellas...
Either that, or a maths teacher.

I used 50 mph as an approximation.

83 mph is the fastest jet pack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack

That is a much bigger engine than in the boots. I think 50 mph is being generous.

The issue I have with the bigger suit is that it should have a lot more weight due to motors for strength.
If the suit was bigger and designed only for flight, then it's larger size could give larger engines with more power, without increasing surface area proportionally, meaning less drag per power output.

By the way, I have mentioned before how I don't believe the armor could protect from any impact without a force field that penetrates the entire, body, protecting the body from all shock. Without it, Stark would have been killed by that tank round in the first movie.
Actually I'm neither a physics professor nor a math teacher. I just spent time as a teenager trying to design a real Iron Man armor, and as a result of this, I became aware of a lot of engineering problems involved with building it.

 

[Blackthornone]

and adamantium is not real either so....

Yes, I know, but in the Marvel Universe it is real.
If you have a thing in the Marvel Universe that is supposed to work a certain way, then it should be built with materials in the Marvel Universe that could actually accomplish that.

It's stupid to build something with steel or titanium that you know would never work with those materials. You would need a fictitious material that would work. You could have things work by magic, but then that would be a different mechanism, requiring no real mechanical design.

 

[Username]

Yeah. You need to just enjoy the story and not get hung up on the details.
The whole thing is unbelievable.
But as a story it works if you can suspend your disbelief.
If you can't, then we cannot help you.
We note your disapproval.

 

[CaptnRex]

Yes, I know, but in the Marvel Universe it is real.

And in the Marvel Universe Igor can fly.

Anyway, I think I'll order this because if I don't I'll regret it later.

 

[Centrocal]

When does he say he used Adamantium on the suits ?

I don't even think they can mention that since Fox has the X-men license.

 

[bandito]

So. We have a guy here who watches sci-fi movies but can't enjoy them due to them being unrealistic.
I think we have a physics professor in our midst fellas...
Either that, or a maths teacher.

I believe he/she is neither....

 

[Username]

When does he say he used Adamantium on the suits ?

I don't even think they can mention that since Fox has the X-men license.

It's the guy who "Can't believe Igor can fly faster than 50MPH" who was talking about adamantium.
It is not a copyrighted term by the way. Adamantium is in the public domain as far as i know.

I believe he/she is neither....

Noted, lol.

 

[mikhailbob]

The thing is that the suit's jets/rockets would need to be made of Adamantium because no material on Earth could withstand the amount of force needed to provide the thrust to make the suit fly at even 50 mph for any sustained period. While most of the thrust would go out the hole in the jet exhaust, there would still be so much pressure on the walls of the exhaust and engines that any known material would burst before providing the kind of thrust in the movie.

The size of the rockets is way too small to provide the amount of thrust needed to move something that fast unless made of Adamantium.

Also, if the rockets are Adamantium, why not make the whole suit out of Adamantium? Any material capable of withstanding those kinds of forces isn't going to be scratched by any bullets, I promise you that.

In that case, no bullet holes or battle damage, other than paint loss.

By the same token, no fan small enough to fit in that suit would ever be strong enough to provide the thrust unless it was Adamantium.

What is the power source of the rockets/jets? Are they rockets that draw moisture from the atmosphere and then electrically convert the water to rocket fuel, or are there fans involved as in a jet?

Perhaps there are turbofans that are powered electrically by the Arc reactor?
In the case of the Mark 42, I guess every piece has it's own mini arc reactor?

are you Sheldon (TBBT)??