Hot Toys MMS437 - Episode III ROTS Anakin Skywalker 1/6 Collectible Figure

[D.R.37]

Jek Porgins??

 

[Prime Clone]

He didn't even know he had a son until Palpatine told him.

Actually it was Boba Fett:

 

[SilverStar17]

There was this back story (now consigned to dust):

https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Groggin

But that doesn't explain how Maz got the lightsaber from Vader....

Vader should have simply sliced off Groggin's hand.

Now it's a hand holding a hand holding a lightsaber.

 

[alexds95]

Re: Hot Toys Episode 3 Anakin

True, but, Luke was already a good pilot, even if he never flew a warship. Rey had never even been in a combat situation once in her life. Both tapped into the Force to do what they did, but at least Luke had flown things before.

I am getting so sick and tired of people acting like Rey was sitting lazily on her a$$ for all those year in Jakku. It is established that her speeder requires intense focus and skill to maneuver and operate which she built herself. No she never flew, but she was intensely skilled and is clearly very force sensitive.

 

[Mike86]

Truthfully, I have no idea what they have planned for the ST; nor does anyone else.

I just hope Luke doesn't go dark, and it'd be cool to see Anakin's FG haunt Kylo or visit Luke. Oh, and hopefully the film answers the burning question that's on everyone's mind: how did Maz end up with Anakin's/Luke's saber?

Honestly the more I think of it Anakin showing up in some fashion to tell Kylo/Ben that what he's doing is wrong would be kind of cool. Plus weren't there rumors of Hayden doing something for this film at one point? Maybe it is something along those lines. I just truly hope that they don't turn Luke to the Dark Side. It would honestly piss me off if they were to do that.

 

[EVILFACE]

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Looks like the fx people just poured some playdoh into half a vader helmet. "Yup that will work. And grown adults will whine and cry when we remove the eyebrows in 15 years."

I am getting so sick and tired of people acting like Rey was sitting lazily on her a$$ for all those year in Jakku.

The issue is she is an expert in everything.

 

[SilverStar17]

Honestly the more I think of it Anakin showing up in some fashion to tell Kylo/Ben that what he's doing is wrong would be kind of cool. Plus weren't there rumors of Hayden doing something for this film at one point? Maybe it is something along those lines. I just truly hope that they don't turn Luke to the Dark Side. It would honestly piss me off if they were to do that.

I think it would be cool to see Anakin as well. Either in the capacity of trying to guide Kylo, as both you and I mentioned, or visiting Luke for whatever reason. There are indeed apparently rumors that Hayden was seen going into a studio and also recently on Amazon as far as TLJ merchandise, there was an item for a youth Episode VIII Anakin Skywalker costume that was summarily taken down. As was also mentioned somewhere earlier on here, Hayden attended Celebration this year for the first time in apparently years, so I'm not sure if that's simply a mere coincidence or for a reason.

 

[alexds95]

I think it would be cool to see Anakin as well. Either in the capacity of trying to guide Kylo, as both you and I mentioned, or visiting Luke for whatever reason. There are indeed apparently rumors that Hayden was seen going into a studio and also recently on Amazon as far as TLJ merchandise, there was an item for a youth Episode VIII Anakin Skywalker costume that was summarily taken down. As was also mentioned somewhere earlier on here, Hayden attended Celebration this year for the first time in apparently years, so I'm not sure if that's simply a mere coincidence or for a reason.

I just watched the video and it is literally just Kylo's TFA costume. It must have been a mistake in labelling.

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[DioramaMaker]

Re: Hot Toys Episode 3 Anakin

I could see Anakin's force ghost being the figurative angel/devil on Kylo or Rey's shoulder. All of his imagery has been depicted as half sith/half Jedi. Which would line up with that conflict.

 

[Smash]

Re: Hot Toys Episode 3 Anakin

True, but, Luke was already a good pilot, even if he never flew a warship. Rey had never even been in a combat situation once in her life. Both tapped into the Force to do what they did, but at least Luke had flown things before.

Lol did we watch the same movie? Rey hasn't been in any combat situation in her life? She had to survive on Jakku for at least 14 years as far as we know. She learned to build a speeder, pilot it, salvaged **** for a living so obviously knew about mechanics and ships, etc... she's seen more combat than Luke did before leaving. It's also established in books that she used flight simulators all the time.

"But that's not the same as a ship" Neither is Luke flying a T-16.

Luke had not been in an actual combat situation in flight either before the Death Star. Which he somehow miraculously survives and blows it up with the force after no more of a pep talk than Rey had.

In terms of the other non-space combat in the film? What's more believable - that Luke who never picked up a blaster rifle before starts shooting Stormtroopers left and right endlessly all movie, or Rey who has had to fend for herself for 14 years with a staff was able to use a lightsaber, holding it like a staff, to beat someone that had a gaping hole in their gut (after she lost like 80% of the fight and was running away)?

You ST hating people trying to justify everything Luke and Anakin do while complaining about Rey are hilarious.

 

[Star-Crunch]

Re: Hot Toys Episode 3 Anakin

Lol did we watch the same movie? Rey hasn't been in any combat situation in her life? She had to survive on Jakku for at least 14 years as far as we know. She learned to build a speeder, pilot it, salvaged **** for a living so obviously knew about mechanics and ships, etc... she's seen more combat than Luke did before leaving. It's also established in books that she used flight simulators all the time.

"But that's not the same as a ship" Neither is Luke flying a T-16.

Luke had not been in an actual combat situation in flight either before the Death Star. Which he somehow miraculously survives and blows it up with the force after no more of a pep talk than Rey had.

In terms of the other non-space combat in the film? What's more believable - that Luke who never picked up a blaster rifle before starts shooting Stormtroopers left and right endlessly all movie, or Rey who has had to fend for herself for 14 years with a staff was able to use a lightsaber, holding it like a staff, to beat someone that had a gaping hole in their gut (after she lost like 80% of the fight and was running away)?

You ST hating people trying to justify everything Luke and Anakin do while complaining about Rey are hilarious.

QFT Not to mention that Kylo probably didn't have that much experience dueling a worthy opponent.

 

[Mike86]

Re: Hot Toys Episode 3 Anakin

Lol did we watch the same movie? Rey hasn't been in any combat situation in her life? She had to survive on Jakku for at least 14 years as far as we know. She learned to build a speeder, pilot it, salvaged **** for a living so obviously knew about mechanics and ships, etc... she's seen more combat than Luke did before leaving. It's also established in books that she used flight simulators all the time.

"But that's not the same as a ship" Neither is Luke flying a T-16.

Luke had not been in an actual combat situation in flight either before the Death Star. Which he somehow miraculously survives and blows it up with the force after no more of a pep talk than Rey had.

In terms of the other non-space combat in the film? What's more believable - that Luke who never picked up a blaster rifle before starts shooting Stormtroopers left and right endlessly all movie, or Rey who has had to fend for herself for 14 years with a staff was able to use a lightsaber, holding it like a staff, to beat someone that had a gaping hole in their gut (after she lost like 80% of the fight and was running away)?

You ST hating people trying to justify everything Luke and Anakin do while complaining about Rey are hilarious.

Have to say these are all valid points. There seems to be a group ready to hate on the Sequel Trilogy or really anything not Original Trilogy at any opportunity. Rey and Luke don't seem all that different in terms of the prior experience they had before becoming heroes in their respective first films and like you mention Rey probably actually had more combat experience to be able to weild a lightsaber.

 

[Sevreed]

Ok, stop. Rey might have been able to handle herself in a "street fight" but she should have been torn to shreds by someone (Kylo) who had grown up around Luke and then was trained by him along with whatever he picked up from Snoke. She had never handled a light saber. Go have a sword fight with someone who has had formal training for years and see how you do. It's either crap plotting or she was being "possessed" by The Force. Not just guided but flat out controlled.

 

[Star-Crunch]

Ok, stop. Rey might have been able to handle herself in a "street fight" but she should have been torn to shreds by someone (Kylo) who had grown up around Luke and then was trained by him along with whatever he picked up from Snoke. She had never handled a light saber. Go have a sword fight with someone who has had formal training for years and see how you do. It's either crap plotting or she was being "possessed" by The Force. Not just guided but flat out controlled.

Valid points have been made. We're discussing a fictional movie. You stop

 

[Mike86]

Ok, stop. Rey might have been able to handle herself in a "street fight" but she should have been torn to shreds by someone (Kylo) who had grown up around Luke and then was trained by him along with whatever he picked up from Snoke. She had never handled a light saber. Go have a sword fight with someone who has had formal training for years and see how you do. It's either crap plotting or she was being "possessed" by The Force. Not just guided but flat out controlled.

Kylo isn't as strong as he thinks he is. He's still weak minded and not fully trained as a Jedi and still needs to be trained by Snoke. It isn't like Rey completely owned their duel either but she put up a strong fight which in my opinion is believable enough given where both characters are currently at.

 

[Superman-Prime]

Kylo isn't as strong as he thinks he is. He's still weak minded and not fully trained as a Jedi and still needs to be trained by Snoke. It isn't like Rey completely owned their duel either but she put up a strong fight which in my opinion is believable enough given where both characters are currently at.

Also...he was shot with a Bow Caster...and bleeding out when fighting a healthy Rey. If Bruce Lee came in the ring and took a 45 to the stomach before the fight...he is probably going to lose to even an average person. Only thing keeping Kylo going was his hate and pain...Dark Side users draw power from it. I can buy Rey beating Kylo more than Kylo acting like he took a bunch in the gut while everyone else getting shot with Bow Caster did these crazy back flips. He should of been blasted off the platform.


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[Smash]

Ok, stop. Rey might have been able to handle herself in a "street fight" but she should have been torn to shreds by someone (Kylo) who had grown up around Luke and then was trained by him along with whatever he picked up from Snoke. She had never handled a light saber. Go have a sword fight with someone who has had formal training for years and see how you do. It's either crap plotting or she was being "possessed" by The Force. Not just guided but flat out controlled.

I like how your response is to stop, because my points are valid.

You're free to read my comment again, stating she's had tons of experience with melee combat. Or you know, watch the movie. How come you don't have an issue with Luke killing tons of Stormtroopers with a rifle (which I would argue is much harder to use), or piloting the X-Wing in combat?

If you want to get all kinds of "real lifey" - Have you ever taken martial arts? Fighting with a melee weapon whether it be a stick or a sword in the style they do in the films is different, but not THAT different. A lot of the same principles apply. Rey is certainly competent with a staff, and it's not a stretch at all for her to translate those skills to defending herself with the saber for a bit.

And please show me, in canon, where Kylo had grown up being trained in lightsaber combat, and that he's an experienced saber duelist. As far as I'm aware, Kylo has likely never even had a lightsaber battle prior to his encounter with Rey and Finn.

He played with Finn, and shut him down easily when he wanted to. So clearly, he's skilled - but there's nothing to support that he's had many saber battles.
Now let's look at the condition Kylo is in during this. He has a hole in his gut from a bowcaster. Now, I don't know about you - but I'd assume that if I were shot in the gut, I wouldn't be too great at things I'm normally good at that require movement and using my core a lot. He's clearly in pain, sweating his *** off, bleeding - definitely not in good condition at this point. EVEN SO, he is beating Rey for like 70% of the fight. It's not like she's just AMAZING. She is basically just trying to defend herself and running away most of the time.

When she beats him at the end? A) She "lets the force in". The same way Luke did with the Death Star. That's how the force works in these movies sometimes, it helps our heroes through hard times. B) She switches her grip to use it more like a staff. C) Kylo is tired as balls. And arrogant. See Anakin in ROTS for what arrogance does in combat, regardless of skill. D) In the novelization, she taps into the darkside to beat him. Snoke tells her "Kill him". It's not in the movie, but if you want to go by Star Wars standards - she's definitely angry when she beats him. Similar to Luke in ROTJ.

And finally, it's a frickin space fantasy, man. Not everything needs to be 100% scientifically sound. None of the other movies are, so I find it funny that you're trying to nitpick and having issues with Rey because there's not a 14 hour netflix series giving you details on how she learned to pilot a ship.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I believe that Luke's use of the Force to nudge a missile into a little hole is more believable than Rey's use where she is able to fight for an extended length and whoop *** at the end.

Luke's use is a quick instance -- tapping into his 'best judgment' when to fire. It's not like the Force rode that missile for him.

But Rey, well she just tapped right into that ****er full Force and used up a lot of mojo kicking ***. For her, its kind of like, where does she go from here? She's already more of a Jedi than Luke was in ESB. Give her the black clothes -- she wins!

 

[Smash]

I believe that Luke's use of the Force to nudge a missile into a little hole is more believable than Rey's use where she is able to fight for an extended length and whoop *** at the end.

Luke's use is a quick instance -- tapping into his 'best judgment' when to fire. It's not like the Force rode that missile for him.

But Rey, well she just tapped right into that ****er full Force and used up a lot of mojo kicking ***.

Wat. Is the difference of like 20 seconds meaningful? Rey beating Kylo is about 30 seconds of fighting, maybe. Luke's feat is basically the same.

How is Luke using the force to not only shoot directly towards the hole, but make the missile (which isn't locked on to anything) do a 90 degree turn directly to the core more believable.

Let's look at some other things that people crying about Rey ignore about Luke:

Pilots in space combat for the first time ever being fired at by numerous tie fighters, turrets, etc. His only piloting experience is a T-16. It's like saying someone that has their pilots license and has gone on a couple casual fights would be masterful flying a jet into military combat while being shot at by other jets and ground support.

Luke uses a grappling hook to swing across a chasm with Leia. He's never had one before. It's from the stormtrooper belt. He somehow grapples a 2 inch pipe on his first try. A bit ridiculous, no? But it's okay because he's the protagonist!

Luke has never used a blaster rifle before. In fact, the only rifle he's ever used he's terrible with - and was beaten up by a Tusken raider, unable to defend himself. Then, on the death star - he's killing stormtroopers (who have had way more training) left and right with pretty much 0 issue. If you're going to complain about Rey (who has actual melee experience) using a saber, I don't see how you'd be okay with this.

And don't even get me started on how badass Luke is in the new comics, which are pretty much right after ANH.

Andddd we've already explained how Kylo was ****ed up physically and emotionally - so I won't repeat why Rey was able to beat him again, but you're free to read my previous posts.

Once again, people ignoring normal protagonist feats for Luke/Anakin but getting pissy about Rey. No one complains about all the ridiculous things male heroes do in pretty much every movie, but when it's a girl we need detailed explanations about how she can read or she's a mary sue.

 

[Luminous]

I think the point is that the more experienced (no way to determine how much more experienced) and skilled fighter was severely wounded and the newbie's instinct for survival allowed her to win this one....solitary...moment. A moment. Nothing presented in the film suggests she can A. do it again B. has peaked in her ability/skill or C. that Kylo Ren won't mop the floor with her if he is thinking clearly and at 100% physical condition. I think too many are clinging to the outcome of the fight and forgetting or choosing to ignore the conditions of said fight.