Hot Toys: Prometheus - MOVIE SPOILERS!

[Damien]

I was kind of upset that the giant elephant creature in Alien ended up being a bald albino dude.
But, I did like the way the "engineers" looked in this movie. to make myself clear. I like the design of the tall bald engineers, they look pretty cool
But I HATE that they are the space jockeys. I really hated that.
All these time, for years, we all thought that the space jockeys were these really weird elephant aliens. To have it be a suit was pretty stupid.

to me it didn't feel like it was their technology
why did it have to look so "alien" from them?

 

[CarrotBun]

HR Giger always designed them as suits. People who thought they were elephants didn't pay attention to his artwork
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1cL6J8xNo[/ame]

also an organic trunk would be cartilage and not fossilize

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Fair enough points I guess..

 

[ReplicantSavior]

Following up on joeyjoes post, here is the original mural by Giger featuring the 'jockeys' clearly in suits.

I've never seen this before. It certainly would have spoiled the surprise in Prometheus. I met someone once who had a Giger book. I think it was limited. It had all these crazy designs in it.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

A friend of mine also had the art of Giger book a while back.

A rather large coffee table type book IIRC - absolutely sensational.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

HR Giger always designed them as suits. People who thought they were elephants didn't pay attention to his artwork


also an organic trunk would be cartilage and not fossilize

Whether Giger painted the jockeys as suits or not is irrelevant. The space jockey in the original film is clearly meant to be an actual biomechanical creature. Nothing indicated that it was wearing a suit.

Although I'm sure at one point that was under consideration.

As for the trunk, well, it's an alien on an alien planet.

 

[olbertfrog]

From day one the idea was à suit.
The whole elephantine look comes from the bomber concept that Scott Had about the ship, the pilot was inspired by ww2 bomber pilot and their masks, its not just giger going crazy and creative.
Now the idea that the engineer were so humanoid came with the original script alien engineers by spaith.
I think it work pretty cool, but the bad idea was to make the engineer tech so mechanical in Prometheus.
They should have kept the almost living tech that was in Alien or in some of the first Carlos huante designs for the engineer suits ( hé posted à portfolio of his work on the movie that do not appear in the artbook or bluray galleries).
The way the suits comes on the engineer and how the nose connected to the helmet was almost embarrassing to watch for me.
Also the size thing, when you Check the art you CAN see that originally they were going to respect the size of the Space jockey, the tunnels of the pyramides were huge.
But probably to reduce the cost and use praticable effects they shrinked the engineers.

 

[CarrotBun]

Whether Giger painted the jockeys as suits or not is irrelevant. The space jockey in the original film is clearly meant to be an actual biomechanical creature. Nothing indicated that it was wearing a suit.

Although I'm sure at one point that was under consideration.

As for the trunk, well, it's an alien on an alien planet.

Not irrelevant.
The suit is biomechanical.

And as I stated an organic trunk would not fossilize.
HR Giger designed it as a biomechanoid just as in Prometheus where they are biomechanoids with suits fused into their organic bodies. The pilot seat wraps around and connects with them as well. As shown in the Giger art.

 

[ReplicantSavior]

I think there is a Prometheus spoiler thread around here. But another thing that makes me want the sequel and surprised/disappointed me in Prometheus was the Engineer's use of the suits that resembled the Aliens. Same goes for the interior design of the ship. It was like they worshiped the Aliens.

 

[crows]

HR Giger always designed them as suits. People who thought they were elephants didn't pay attention to his artwork
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1cL6J8xNo

also an organic trunk would be cartilage and not fossilize

If that is the case then Riddle Scott was the one that messed up to begin with.

If the original design was clearly meant to be a suit then he should have made it look more suit like.

but he made something that looked like a dead alien. So if anything it is Scott's fault that a lot of people got confused with Alien.

Pretty much his fault for using the design wrong then.

 

[CarrotBun]

It's a biomechanoid suit so it can rot
they built the insides of the helmets in Prometheus out of cabbage leaves

 

[skooternb]

 

[Sabres21768]

Giger NEVER meant for it to be a suit.

He sculpted the original, fossilized Jockey with teeth...so, it was a living being at some point.

What was seen on screen was what was meant to be seen...not something else hiding underneath it.

The idea that Giger meant for something to be "wearing" his original Jockey sculpt is ridiculous.

 

[Kiva]

The space Jockey in Alien was a creature, it wasnt until some time later, a few years ago infact that ideas started to be tossed around for a prequel and then talks of it being a bio suit.

I really dislike how they turned the giant Human-elephantoids in to big humans in a helmet. I dont mind the story and setting the Engineers that prometheus had (but not the motive nor execution) but they still could of done everything they did in Prometheus and STILL had it being a creature not a bio suit.

 

[CarrotBun]

Giger NEVER meant for it to be a suit.

He sculpted the original, fossilized Jockey with teeth...so, it was a living being at some point.

Wrong. Wrong. and WRONG That's just what it looks like when a rotting biomech suit fossilizes while fused to the being underneath.
They have teeth in Prometheus as well

giger ALWAYS meant for the suit! most are from 1977
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1cL6J8xNo[/ame]

and they were always bald humanoids. LEARN your Giger
organic trunks are cartilage and don't fossilize....why are we having this conversation again?????????????

 

[Sabres21768]

Wrong. Wrong. and WRONG That's just what it looks like when a rotting biomech suit fossilizes while fused to the being underneath.
They have teeth in Prometheus as well

giger ALWAYS meant for the suit! most are from 1977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1cL6J8xNo

and they were always bald humanoids. LEARN your Giger
organic trunks are cartilage and don't fossilize....why are we having this conversation again?????????????

Sorry kid...but you're WAY off on your obvious "theory".
YOU are the one saying it's an organic trunk...it's an alien being...you have no idea what it's made of...again, your theory...not fact.

At no point...in any of Giger's art or interviews did he even HINT at it being a suit. It was always meant to be a living being.

The idea of a suit came straight from Ridley, that's been proven.

You're just trying (way too hard) to incorporate what Ridley turned the Jockeys into in PROMETHEUS into what you remember from ALIEN.

And it doesn't work.

And we're having this conversation again because you're so clearly off in your ideas of retconing the original Jockey into a suit.

 

[CarrotBun]

Actually YOU are way off and it NOT a theory.

I have presented the evidence. Yours was the theory as you had never looked at HR Giger's artwork before.

YOU are the one saying it's an organic elephant. It is infact a bio-organic suit that fuses with the bald humanoids as been shown.

OBVIOUSLY you did not watch the video as it shows the Engineer's without the helmets on.

It's a wiener nose biomech suit that connects with the humanoid. NOT an elephant.

You are a sad little troll.

watch the full video
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1cL6J8xNo[/ame]

 

[Sabres21768]

Actually You're off. And it's not a theory. I have presented the evidence.

YOU are saying it's an organic elephant. It is infact a bio-organic suit that fuses with the bald humanoids as been shown.

OBVIOUSLY you did not watch the video as it shows the Space Jockeys without the helmets on.

You are a sad little troll.

Yep, it's been shown alright...in PROMETHEUS.

Again, you can see (in your video) where Ridley drew his design for HIS version of the Engineers from...that much is obvious.

But, as has been proven by evidence...this is NOT what Giger intended to be "wearing" the Jockey. That's just laughable.

But, it's to be expected from kids these days. They watch films like this and have to force the designs backwards to try and retcon the previous films.

Pretty sad really.

 

[CarrotBun]

In HR Giger's original artwork from 1977

try again

The only thing laughable is your denial of the facts.

You must be a kid as you have zero knowledge of HR Giger's designs.

HR Giger designed it and modeled it himself.

Pretty sad and pathetic as it's been proven by the evidence.

But that's to be expected by those who can not admit they were so wrong all these years when the evidence was there all along.

 

[Sabres21768]

Whatever helps ya sleep at night kid.

Good luck with your theory...hope it works out for ya.