Hot Toys: Prometheus - MOVIE SPOILERS!

[rivera2171]

Nice! just go all out geek! I love it!
I found the book's general premise to be interesting, but many of the details/nuances fall apart under close scrutiny. Doesnt change the fact that i still enjoyed reading it. If you find yourself interested in the idea of previsitation, there are better, more objective, books out there.

I am intrigued by this statement. For example?

 

[morphosis]

Nice! just go all out geek! I love it!
I found the book's general premise to be interesting, but many of the details/nuances fall apart under close scrutiny. Doesnt change the fact that i still enjoyed reading it. If you find yourself interested in the idea of previsitation, there are better, more objective, books out there.

Ive read lots of UFO books. On his book, i guess it depends how you want to look at it. Anytime someone writes something controversial about anything, your going to hear from both sides no matter. People will try to tear it down. Not saying anything he talks about is 100% fact, but he makes a lot of cool observations and talks about stuff i didn't know, like the archeology side rather than like close encounter stuff that ive read a lot of. Plus i like the ties to religion history. Ive done a fair share of reading on the history of religion.

Its one of the reasons I love Prometheus so much, because RScott put in a lot of things that I'm really interested in about history of religion and questioning who were are real creators. Also in Prometheus they talk about the Engineers being dead for 2000 years or so....hmmm, wonder where that might be going?

One thing in the beginning of the book i definitely agree with him and so many people do is that if earth is 1 out of millions or billions of planets out there in the universe, its hard to believe only 1 planet out of billions has life or life similar to ours. The stuff about the maps from 18th century is really cool, because yah, it would be extremely difficult, maybe impossible to illustrate the earth's surface accurately without seeing it from the sky or space, especially back then

 

[Viking Spawn]

I assume the fighting is over? That was the only thing keeping this thread alive since it appears HT is not showing anything to keep it interesting.

 

[Ramatuelle]

I assume the fighting is over? That was the only thing keeping this thread alive since it appears HT is not showing anything to keep it interesting.

Nope, they sure are not showing anything! Which makes me think this line might be headed for HT's Scrapheap of Unused Ideas that they keep handy out back. Perhaps it landed next to the X-Men: First Class lineup...? Who knows.

Methinks a film that rather underwhelmed at the box-office might be well-past its collectibles sell-by date. HT is not run by fools, after all, even if some of their policies are annoying and even though they need to do some hiring.

Its like Tron, except Tron had fans from 20+ years ago. They threw those fans a bone with the Light Cycle.... just the one figure, but not NOTHING. This film here ain't no Tron, though. Down here we get all edjumicated and call that a "sad indictment of the franchise."

 

[Ramatuelle]

Morphosis: Ive read lots of UFO books. On his book, i guess it depends how you want to look at it. Anytime someone writes something controversial about anything, your going to hear from both sides no matter. People will try to tear it down.

No offense, dude but Von Daniken is a crank. He's an entertaining, fun crank with plenty of cool food for thought, but take him seriously? Nope. For real: why would the Mayans or the Aztecs or whoever build spaceship runways in the shape of a thunderbird. If I were a visiting "Ancient astronaut" I would fry the makers into a sheet of volcanic glass just for the stupidity of thinking a design with 50 right angles might be useable as a "runway." Think about it

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

"Sure are not showing anything"? They've already shown a Shaw figure. In more than one photo. It's happening.

But you absolutely loathe Prometheus and trolled it's official movie thread for months, so I can't see why you would care.

Just sayin.

 

[MIKE M]

im only interested in an engineer an engineer head,pretty much just tha alien thins ,i might get shaw but i dont own any humans from ant of the alien or predator line ....

 

[morphosis]

No offense, dude but Von Daniken is a crank. He's an entertaining, fun crank with plenty of cool food for thought, but take him seriously? Nope. For real: why would the Mayans or the Aztecs or whoever build spaceship runways in the shape of a thunderbird. If I were a visiting "Ancient astronaut" I would fry the makers into a sheet of volcanic glass just for the stupidity of thinking a design with 50 right angles might be useable as a "runway." Think about it

hahaha. Yah im not saying he's a prophet by any means or anything LoL . And granted this book was written in 1968 so im sure a lot of his findings have either been disproven or studied far more detail by legit sources. I don't really like his writing style either. The more I get into the book, the more he sounds like he's just rambling on, and its too much about his personal beliefs rather than scientific proof. Nothing he talks about is 100% proven facts, so you got to take it with a grain of salt. But he brings up some interesting things questioning about how ancient civilizations were able to study astronomy and build these mammoth structures without any modern tech. But i know that stuff has been studied a lot, and again this book is from 1968. So what i would like to do is read up on some of the things he talks about but by other scientists who are in the field today.

And also the reason I'm reading it is more about seeing where RScott got some inspiration for Prometheus. I don't think RScott sees him as some great modern day thinker or anything, he clearly isn't, but he used some of the questions Von Daniken brings up as some sources of material for Prometheus. Plus Im guessing he knew about this book when RScott was younger as it was pretty controversial at its time.

 

[plastic_addiction]

Von Daniken is not an archaeologist. He has no academic background whatsoever. He was a hotel manager that was arrested for fraud. He makes the connections that he does because he does not understand how archaeology works. He has absolutely no standing in the archaeology community and has never published anything in any archaeology journal. What he does is not science. He writes popular media for people that do not possess the background knowledge to be able to evaluate it intelligently. Nothing he writes is supported by the archaeological evidence. What he implies is that non-Europeans were too stupid to develop complex societies. All of the ancient alien crap is a thinly veiled form of racism.

 

[skooternb]

L Ron Hubbard?

 

[morphosis]

"Sure are not showing anything"? They've already shown a Shaw figure. In more than one photo. It's happening.

But you absolutely loathe Prometheus and trolled it's official movie thread for months, so I can't see why you would care.

Just sayin.

They could release a Prometheus figure 30 years from now, I would still buy it. Release dates don't matter. It only matters to people who like to buy anything new that comes out, and they tend to sell them off a month or two later anyway because they dont really care for the characters/movie. But for the real die-hard fans of a movie, it won't matter when they come out. Plus almost every release of HTs comes out pretty late....very rarely do they hit a movie release date.

 

[morphosis]

Von Daniken is not an archaeologist. He has no academic background whatsoever. He was a hotel manager that was arrested for fraud. He makes the connections that he does because he does not understand how archaeology works. He has absolutely no standing in the archaeology community and has never published anything in any archaeology journal. What he does is not science. He writes popular media for people that do not possess the background knowledge to be able to evaluate it intelligently. Nothing he writes is supported by the archaeological evidence. What he implies is that non-Europeans were too stupid to develop complex societies. All of the ancient alien crap is a thinly veiled form of racism.

Yah, I didn't look that much about about him as a person, in fact I know nothing about him. Just RScott mentioned his book so I wanted to check it out. Its not great by any means, its awful writting. The book is barely over 100 pages, its intended as a quick read. theres no real science in it, its just all his own beliefs. The intro is funny which is a new intro he wrote in 1995. He used the intro as his chance to yell at the people who call him a hack...Its kind of hilarious.

The way this book reads reminds me more of a blog, just someones ramblings about their beliefs in aliens. I thought it started off ok, but i as i read more, you can see he doesn't really know what he's talking about. He doesn't go into much detail about anything.

But apparently im not the only one to read his stuff, a few of you seem to know his work

 

[joeyjoe]

[QUOTE All of the ancient alien crap is a thinly veiled form of racism.[/QUOTE]


please. im so tired of hearing that. there is nothing inherently racist in the notion of previsitation. Hacks are present within any field of inquiry.

Virtually every major religion is, in a way, based on some form of previsitation (whether the entitiy or entities are termed God(s) or otherwise is irrelevant).

 

[morphosis]

Does anyone have any good book recommendations on the subject matter?

 

[joeyjoe]

@morphosis:
yes....let me go dig through my old books (was quite interested in the subject matter years ago).

 

[Ramatuelle]

But for the real die-hard fans of a movie, it won't matter when they come out. Plus almost every release of HTs comes out pretty late....very rarely do they hit a movie release date.

My earlier point is that compared to many of the films HT makes collectibles for, Prometheus is pretty small potatos. This film was not the mega-smash the producers were hoping for; its certainly no Avengers or Batman as far as the size of the fan-base.

HT tends to cater to mega-hit fans; this is why we have yet to see a preorder for anything in the Prometheus line, and its why we saw a Charles Xavier for XM:1st Class but have never seen more figures OR a release date for that.

HT would do far better to go back and release actor's-likeness figures for Ripley, Hicks, Bishop, Vasquez, Drake, Newt and Hudson. Not gonna happen, too bad. Those were iconic characters who would still sell extremely well today.

No one in Prometheus is iconic, sad to say. HT may prove me wrong and release the whole lineup - or even one figure - but I am not holding my breath.

 

[Ramatuelle]

L Ron Hubbard?

You have a point: Von Daniken is about as credible as L Ron Hubbard. Or he's as credible as Von Daniken, take your pick.

 

[plastic_addiction]

Does anyone have any good book recommendations on the subject matter?

Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology by Kenneth L. Feder.

 

[crows]

My earlier point is that compared to many of the films HT makes collectibles for, Prometheus is pretty small potatos. This film was not the mega-smash the producers were hoping for; its certainly no Avengers or Batman as far as the size of the fan-base.

HT tends to cater to mega-hit fans; this is why we have yet to see a preorder for anything in the Prometheus line, and its why we saw a Charles Xavier for XM:1st Class but have never seen more figures OR a release date for that.

HT would do far better to go back and release actor's-likeness figures for Ripley, Hicks, Bishop, Vasquez, Drake, Newt and Hudson. Not gonna happen, too bad. Those were iconic characters who would still sell extremely well today.

No one in Prometheus is iconic, sad to say. HT may prove me wrong and release the whole lineup - or even one figure - but I am not holding my breath.

yeah i will not be surprised to see it get canceled

 

[morphosis]

My earlier point is that compared to many of the films HT makes collectibles for, Prometheus is pretty small potatos. This film was not the mega-smash the producers were hoping for; its certainly no Avengers or Batman as far as the size of the fan-base.

HT tends to cater to mega-hit fans; this is why we have yet to see a preorder for anything in the Prometheus line, and its why we saw a Charles Xavier for XM:1st Class but have never seen more figures OR a release date for that.

HT would do far better to go back and release actor's-likeness figures for Ripley, Hicks, Bishop, Vasquez, Drake, Newt and Hudson. Not gonna happen, too bad. Those were iconic characters who would still sell extremely well today.

No one in Prometheus is iconic, sad to say. HT may prove me wrong and release the whole lineup - or even one figure - but I am not holding my breath.

Personally I think HTs are fans like us and make stuff they like just as much for fans. The big blockbusters are easy choices because of the mass appeal but they have done plenty of movies that didn't do well at the box office and far far below what Prometheus made. Prometheus did ok they just were thinking it would do more. It only made $20 million less than xmen first class and that franchise has much bigger appeal.

with all that said, amount of $$ a movie makes doesn't really matter. Its just the big franchises wind up taking a lot of their time because they come one after another the last few years.