Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[iron.jedi83]

They could have done the comic book mandarain, with his "magic" rings.

and with thor, we've already established that "magic" exists, and it's just SUPREMELY advanced science. That was SPECIFICLY the reason we never saw mandarin BEFORE they did thor, as The studio wanted to see how the "magic as advanced science" bit played with auidences. Fairvew had talked SPECIFICLY about that in previous interviews. Would have worked great, becuase even in the comics, i think the Rings are now just weird as hell alien technology anyways. Irritates the crap out of me the new director dropped that angle.

so how would he have gotten those rings? the only magical object that has been on earth has been the cosmic cube. if Mandarin had those magic rings and used them, then why didnt other realms come and attack earth? Thor said it himself that SHIELDS tinkering with the cosmic cube is what brought Thanos attention and sent Loki to earth to get it. so if they make another IM movie we could have a Mandarin that everybody is asking for since they could show him get those magic rings

 

[Gully Foyle]

I was reading that Gwyneth wants a "Rescue" movie spin off. Was she that good in IM3?

Nope, and if this happens before a Marvel Ghost Rider, Punisher, Dare Devil, etc theres gonna be alot of angry fanboys.

Remember Marvel's been Disney-fied now.

They'll put Pepper in armor for the female demographic.

They'll put the kid Harley in armor for the child demographic.

They'll put a poodle in armor for the dog-loving demographic.

Et cetera ad nauseum.

Fanboys will always gripe, but they're a small enough group to be statistically insignificant.
Comic book heroes have become mainstream product now.
The need to kowtow to the geek subculture that spawned them has passed.

____

 

[jye4ever]

He found that out in IM2 when his own tech was killing him. When he wasn't allowed out of his own house and he also got to heal himself based on closure with his father.

I would think a trained pro doctor coming in and saying

"Mr. Stark. You have 4 months to live and there is NO way to save you, you are going to die." would be a bit more stressful than, I'm alive and completely ok and we won and now theres Gods and Super Soldiers and a whole government subdivision with a flying aircraft carrier on the good guy team too so the world doesn't have to rely on only me.

That's my point as well, if this movie wasn't a build up to Avengers 2, then what was it that Marvel wanted for us to learn about these characters?

All I got out of it was a big surprise with the Mandarin character and that PTSD can be cured by having more trauma happen in your life.

 

[CelticPredator]

I think it's just people drawing their own conclusions. His ego was pretty grandiose, but in the Avengers he found out that he wasn't the baddest kid at the playground after all.

He said it in the movie.

 

[Deckard]

That's my point as well, if this movie wasn't a build up to Avengers 2, then what was it that Marvel wanted for us to learn about these characters?

All I got out of it was a big surprise with the Mandarin character and that PTSD can be cured by having more trauma happen in your life.

If only all those Iraq vets knew they just needed to be sent back into a combat zone and they'd be fine.

I'm looking forward to Stark post Avengers 2 after Thanos comes with the Infinity Gauntlet and he fights alongside a talking Racoon.

Cut to IM4 written by Shane Black.

Tony wakes in his trailer on X-mas and looks at a picture of Happy Hogan in the hospital. He puts his repulsor glove in his mouth and considers killing himself as Looney Tunes plays in the background.

Rhodes : "Oh yea you're crazy well than do it!"

Tony : "I'll do it, I even have this special repulsor I keep to make sure it blows the back of my head off."

Rhodes : "You really are crazy. I'm too old for this ****."

 

[CelticPredator]

That's my point as well, if this movie wasn't a build up to Avengers 2, then what was it that Marvel wanted for us to learn about these characters?

All I got out of it was a big surprise with the Mandarin character and that PTSD can be cured by having more trauma happen in your life.

The point was to show Tony Stark coming to terms with being who he is. He was on top, and after The Avengers, he was on the bottom. And now he understands how he fits, and grounded himself in his own reality.

 

[Deckard]

He was on the bottom? Because regardless of the "god" and monster people and governement Supermen, I'm pretty sure it was him who saved the day and millions of people and basically Earth when he redirected the missle and took down all of the aliens at once.

 

[jye4ever]

If only all those Iraq vets knew they just needed to be sent back into a combat zone and they'd be fine.

I'm looking forward to Stark post Avengers 2 after Thanos comes with the Infinity Gauntlet and he fights alongside a talking Racoon.

Cut to IM4 written by Shane Black.

Tony wakes in his trailer on X-mas and looks at a picture of Happy Hogan in the hospital. He puts his repulsor glove in his mouth and considers killing himself as Looney Tunes plays in the background.

Rhodes : "Oh yea you're crazy well than do it!"

Tony : "I'll do it, I even have this special repulsor I keep to make sure it blows the back of my head off."

Rhodes : "You really are crazy. I'm too old for this ****."

I'm a war on terror vet, I have PTSD, let me give my address to Al Queda.



That should bring some much needed relaxation to me and my girlfriend

 

[Darkmatter]

It's not about the comics :

seems to me it is all about the comics. i've read dozens of complaints about what marvel did and didn't do compared to the comic version of everything from soup to nuts.

 

[CelticPredator]

He did. But he didn't truly understand what he was doing. I'll admit that part was a tad forced, but it was probably the only moment in any Iron Man film that Tony was CLOSE to something stranger then death.

He wanted to play hero because that's what he wants be. He finally became a real hero because he understand what he actually is. A man. Not a god. Or a super soldier.

This was all explained in the scene where he meets Pepper for dinner.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm a war on terror vet, I have PTSD, let me give my address to Al Queda.



That should bring some much needed relaxation to me and my lover.

Tony Stark being a cocky *******? So out of character.

 

[Deckard]

He knew what he was doing, he organized the team and went out without Fury's permission after Coulson died, he told everyone not to close the portal, and he had Jarvis try to call Pepper to say goodbye. It was just a stretch in this movie as you say, which is why some of us didn't buy into it.

 

[CelticPredator]

If there's one flaw in the movie for me. It's that.

But at the same time, I don't mind at all Tony feeling lost in this new world. It makes sense. He doesn't have any powers other then being intelligent. Which is fine. But when there are giant alien monsters out there, and possibly worse things, someone like Tony Stark is probably going to fall apart from it.

It would be jarring for anyone though to be honest. To know what's really out there.

 

[Deckard]

He did have a power though, an amazing one. He could and was the only person who could power a suit with his own heart. His heart. It was such a great little metaphor and Shane took it away for a cheap ending moment with a mediocre at best explanation. At the end of the day it was just completely unnecassary and that's whats bothering me the most. It as you point out, jives with the idea that he was a normal man. Quite the opposite, not only did the reactor power the suits, it represented the closure with his father, the ability to overcome against all odds when he was actually going to die.

 

[CelticPredator]

Except it's given him nothing but problems. Someone could've killed him easily by ripping it out of him, or chemicals could seep into his body.

He found a new way to power his suit.

But I guess that doesn't bother me, because I don't mind them changing it up. And if this really is the last stand alone Iron Man film, then i'm more then fine with it. Tony's story is concluded. Now we can focus on everyone else.

 

[chewblacca]

If he could power a suit of armor with only his heart, then how did Rhodes do it?

 

[CelticPredator]

With his *****.

 

[Darkmatter]

He did have a power though, an amazing one. He could and was the only person who could power a suit with his own heart. His heart. It was such a great little metaphor and Shane took it away for a cheap ending moment with a mediocre at best explanation. At the end of the day it was just completely unnecassary and that's whats bothering me the most.

the suit was powered by the arc reactor, not his heart. the same reactor was keeping shards of metal from entering his heart and killing him. the reactor and the shards of metal were a burden and at one time almost killed tony before a redesign. with the stable formula extremis, pepper was returned to normal and tony was able to live through the surgery he previously would not have been able to. removing the shards was something he had wanted to do since IM1. so what was wrong with that? you'd rather see him carry that burden? seems to me IM3 was about tony facing his demons and winning out over them.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

He did have a power though, an amazing one. He could and was the only person who could power a suit with his own heart. His heart. It was such a great little metaphor and Shane took it away for a cheap ending moment with a mediocre at best explanation. At the end of the day it was just completely unnecassary and that's whats bothering me the most. It as you point out, jives with the idea that he was a normal man. Quite the opposite, not only did the reactor power the suits, it represented the closure with his father, the ability to overcome against all odds when he was actually going to die.

I said essentially the same thing but didn't elaborate on it as much as u did. Great post and it was stupid decision. I don't care about what is going on in the comics but foe this incarnation of IM the arc reactor IS what made him UNIQUE. Tony even says in IM2, I am ironman we are one in the same, without me there cannot be ironman (indicating that his reactor in his chest makes it so they are inseparable from each other) Now anyone can be ironman so it takes away a lot from the character.


Maybe its marvels plan to kill off RDJ cause he commands too much money and they want to make it so anyone can don the suit and step into the role. Would be a terrible decision since RDJ is the only reason IM3 wasnt a complete disaster. Otherwise what Shane Black did doesn't make any sense. It wasn't even necessary to the plot and was tact on at the end as a WTF moment.

 

[Deckard]

Except it's given him nothing but problems. Someone could've killed him easily by ripping it out of him, or chemicals could seep into his body.

He found a new way to power his suit.

But I guess that doesn't bother me, because I don't mind them changing it up. And if this really is the last stand alone Iron Man film, then i'm more then fine with it. Tony's story is concluded. Now we can focus on everyone else.

He did have it ripped out, and in 2 the chemicals were seeping into his body and both provided great plot stuff. Bridges dangling the reactor in front of him in 1 was an amazing villain moment. It's had a big role so far, I liked that it made him unique and yes I liked that he had to bear that burden. It's like the people you hear who lose a leg and say they wouldn't trade the experiance and strength they've gained from it etc.

And yes whoever made the point, I know it wasn't really his heart that's why I said an amazing metaphor, "Proof that Tony Stark has a heart" and the whole fact that his fixing it in 2 brought him closure with his father after a decade walking around thinking his father hated him. He "fixed" his heart and healed himself. See all this sublte great IM2 stuff.

If he could power a suit of armor with only his heart, then how did Rhodes do it?

As I said it's what made Tony unique. He powered them directly, Rhode's suits all simply have an indepenant Arc Reactor in them similar to the Whiplash suit. If anyone can wear armor now why do we need Tony especially since he's turned into Hammer and can't build a suit worth a damn.

I said essentially the same thing but didn't elaborate on it as much as u did. Great post and it was stupid decision. I don't care about what is going on in the comics but foe this incarnation of IM the arc reactor IS what made him UNIQUE. Now anyone can be ironman so it takes away a lot from the character.


Maybe its marvels plan to kill off RDJ cause he commands too much money and they want to make it so anyone can don the suit and step into the role. Would be a terrible decision since RDJ is the only reason IM3 wasnt a complete disaster. Otherwise what Shane Black did doesn't make any sense. It wasn't even necessary to the plot and was tact on at the end as a WTF moment.

Bingo and exactly my point. What is the differance between Hammer and Tony now? Tony makes medicore suits that fall apart and are powered by themselves and drones that control themselves too. Very meh thing for IM1's Tony to become.