Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[DiFabio]

Right. And that (and Hulk) are pushing the envelope of credibility, like I said. I just think Extremis absolutely crosses that line and goes too far... into utter cartoon territory. Hulk is probably already there, too, but at least he's the ****ing Hulk.

So what did you think of his henchmen, his right hand man (I think his name was Savin, not sure)? I haven't seen anyone mention him. He was a human injected with extremis and I thought he was cool. What was wrong with him? I thought he was a great secondary villain, perhaps even better than Raza from the first film. He never felt "cartoony".


I guess I just don't see what's so cartoony about them in this universe of films. I've seen Steve Rogers get injected with a serum that makes him taller and nigh physical perfection, I've seen a scientist turn into a massive, green, invincible monster, Gods from another world, nonsensical Stark tech that is essentially "magical" in it's own right, and I've seen worm holes with crazy aliens coming out of no where.


What's so bad or cartoony about a virus/cure developed by scientists that allow individuals to have super strength, high levels of heat and healing/regeneration? If they can spontaneously combust, is one second of fire breathing (something I see comic Mandarin can do) really that awful?


It's not like they just threw it in their for the hell of it, the whole intro and plot of the film plays it up. Why does extremis exist? Well, Killian is physically handicapped so it makes sense that he'd look into it and research extremis. Who does he experiment on? Disenfranchised veterans who have lost limbs in war. It's really no different than stem cell research or other sciences. I just don't get how it's something awful or lame in a comic book film that has a world with far crazier things. I just don't.

 

[Buttmunch]

It was the firing breathing that I couldn't take. They getting hot, OK, but just because you're able to flame on doesn't mean you can breathe fire

 

[JonWes]

I just don't get how it's something awful or lame in a comic book film that has a world with far crazier things. I just don't.

Yep. I just don't think those criticisms hold any weight. Newsflash, kids. Getting irradiated with Gamma radiation won't turn your skin green and give you super muscles!

 

[jye4ever]

His second hand dude wore a pilots hat like a douche on that plane, fail.

 

[IrishJedi]

So what did you think of his henchmen, his right hand man (I think his name was Savin, not sure)? I haven't seen anyone mention him. He was a human injected with extremis and I thought he was cool. What was wrong with him? I thought he was a great secondary villain, perhaps even better than Raza from the first film. He never felt "cartoony".


I guess I just don't see what's so cartoony about them in this universe of films. I've seen Steve Rogers get injected with a serum that makes him taller and nigh physical perfection, I've seen a scientist turn into a massive, green, invincible monster, Gods from another world, nonsensical Stark tech that is essentially "magical" in it's own right, and I've seen worm holes with crazy aliens coming out of no where.


What's so bad or cartoony about a virus/cure developed by scientists that allow individuals to have super strength, high levels of heat and healing/regeneration? If they can spontaneously combust, is one second of fire breathing (something I see comic Mandarin can do) really that awful?


It's not like they just threw it in their for the hell of it, the whole intro and plot of the film plays it up. Why does extremis exist? Well, Killian is physically handicapped so it makes sense that he'd look into it and research extremis. Who does he experiment on? Disenfranchised veterans who have lost limbs in war. It's really no different than stem cell research or other sciences. I just don't get how it's something awful or lame in a comic book film that has a world with far crazier things. I just don't.

I understand all that. What I'm saying is that there is a line and a limit to suspension of disbelief. And IRON MAN 3 crossed it for me much more than any Marvel film before it. I think the fantastical stuff in the first film was infinitely more credible, if unrealistic in its own right.

There are varying degrees of ridiculousness, especially with a series that already established its own aesthetic and tone in that regard.

 

[jye4ever]

I will accept the lava people if they edit the scene of him shooting fire from his mouth to him shooting fire from his richard.

Ghost Rider 2 like.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

It was the firing breathing that I couldn't take. They getting hot, OK, but just because you're able to flame on doesn't mean you can breathe fire

Did he use it after that one time?

i can't remember.

 

[jye4ever]

Did he use it after that one time?

i can't remember.

Why didn't he use it again.

Showing off to Rhodey only.

You think he would've used it again, instead he attacks Stark with fist fighting.

Hey, I can breath fire, but i'm going to punch you instead.

 

[DiFabio]

The only extremis aspect I didn't like is that it involved Pepper at the end. I thought that was odd and a bit jarring, especially the fall. I thought it was clever how Killian used her to get Tony involved, but only as a threat.

Other than that though, the individuals with extremis like the red headed chick, Savin and Killian were fine in my book. They sure as hell beat another contrived story about stealing some Iron Man suits and using them against Iron Man. I liked the idea that a "mere" human could take on Stark's armor and that Stark defeated most of them without using the suit. I think it says something about the story.


I thought the whole section of the film involving the bombings was clever too, especially with the tragic current events that are going on today. Stark felt like a better detective (and technician, scientist, and fighter) than Bruce Wayne/Batman.

 

[IrishJedi]

All that said, I'm well aware that there are some who like... and even prefer... the more whacked out stuff. And that's perfectly fine. To each their own. That's just not appealing to me personally.

I know some want to see the Bleeding Edge armor (that literally comes out of Stark's pours) happen. No, thanks. If/when that happens I'm out.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I don't like how this movie takes place during the holidays. It just seems... off.

 

[DiFabio]

I know some want to see the Bleeding Edge armor (that literally comes out of Stark's pours) happen. No, thanks. If/when that happens I'm out.

I've been going on google looking up all this stuff since the film and saw a panel of that and couldn't believe it.


Injecting yourself with stuff to "call" your armor is one thing but the armor somehow pouring out of your bones out of your body? I'll agree that that is too much. i couldn't believe that when I saw it. So that's what comic Stark can do now?



I agree that there is a threshold to all this in terms of acceptance and believability. Everyone's mileage may very. For me though, extremis (other than Potts) was a non issue.

 

[IrishJedi]

I don't like how this movie takes place during the holidays. It just seems... off.

That's a Shane Black staple, though.

 

[jye4ever]

The only extremis aspect I didn't like is that it involved Pepper at the end. I thought that was odd and a bit jarring, especially the fall. I thought it was clever how Killian used her to get Tony involved, but only as a threat.

Other than that though, the individuals with extremis like the red headed chick, Savin and Killian were fine in my book. They sure as hell beat another contrived story about stealing some Iron Man suits and using them against Iron Man. I liked the idea that a "mere" human could take on Stark's armor and that Stark defeated most of them without using the suit. I think it says something about the story.


I thought the whole section of the film involving the bombings was clever too, especially with the tragic current events that are going on today. Stark felt like a better detective (and technician, scientist, and fighter) than Bruce Wayne/Batman.

Ok, the Batman stuff I agree with.

But Stark must've really liked Hammer's idea of drone armors, so much so that he created his own.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't like how this movie takes place during the holidays. It just seems... off.

Awf cawrse it did, we're in May.

 

[DiFabio]

I don't like how this movie takes place during the holidays. It just seems... off.

I thought the same thing. It's similar to Die Hard and Batman Returns too. There's something about sitting in a theater in the late days of Spring and warm weather essentially watching a holiday movie, it's a unique feeling.


But I did like the sequence of Stark trying out the Mark 42 with Jingle Bells in the background. Without the Christmas theme, that wouldn't have been in there.

 

[Boba Ben]

Ok, the Batman stuff I agree with.

But Stark must've really liked Hammer's idea of drone armors, so much so that he created his own.

[ame]https://youtu.be/FpmHBWQTli8[/ame]

 

[jye4ever]

https://youtu.be/FpmHBWQTli8

Ok fine, Whiplash's idea.

He still copied.

 

[Biojex]

I've been going on google looking up all this stuff since the film and saw a panel of that and couldn't believe it.


Injecting yourself with stuff to "call" your armor is one thing but the armor somehow pouring out of your bones out of your body? I'll agree that that is too much. i couldn't believe that when I saw it. So that's what comic Stark can do now?



I agree that there is a threshold to all this in terms of acceptance and believability. Everyone's mileage may very. For me though, extremis (other than Potts) was a non issue.

Nano machines. Everything in the future is nano machines

 

[jye4ever]

Nano machines. Everything in the future is nano machines

More real than fire breathing.