Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[DiFabio]

This is fantastic,

 

[CelticPredator]

It made me smile. Iron Man Three is a great sequel to Kiss Kiss

 

[cokebabies]

People melting buildings with their hands is perfectly logical, but breathing fire isn't. Got it.

Granted, it seems other people have a problem with the concept of breathing fire. Personally, I'm fine with it. But I thought the actual effect looked sort of stupid.

 

[CelticPredator]

My problem is just the people who can buy aliens and gods, but a not firebreathing heat virus.

 

[cokebabies]

You posted it a while back, and it should shut down the objections - the Thor / subtlety line.

I'm not sure how I truly felt about IM3. I liked it, but I'm not sure if I loved it. I'll find out more after letting it sit for a bit more, and after some re-watches.

While I am sure eventually, I will not be immune to the "that can't happen!" bug, right now all bets should be off. We're getting Norse gods, talking raccoons, and fire-breathing villain. That's Marvel movies now.

 

[SOLIDSNAKE]

I post one pic and people get offended when there are 100 people here that do this all day.

I am sorry but I am one of the Serious Members here on this forum.
anyways I will stop wasting my time comenting on this movie.

 

[DFanatic]

I post one pic and people get offended when there are 100 people here that do this all day.

I am sorry but I am one of the Serious Members here on this forum.
anyways I will stop wasting my time comenting on this movie.

What can you, right? That's just the way it goes here in these forums. It's almost as if people take offense that we didn't like the movie. It's the same every movie thread you go. If you bad mouth a major movie, you are going to have a bad time. Happened with the Avengers, TDKR and son on.

 

[intothevoid]

It made me smile. Iron Man Three is a great sequel to Kiss Kiss

That's why it's a pathetic Iron Man movie

 

[JAWS]

People melting buildings with their hands is perfectly logical, but breathing fire isn't. Got it.

I did not like anything that had to deal with Killian in all honesty. But the fire breathing was just goofy made goofier because there was no reason to show he could do it other the to give us a F/X moment.

That's exactly why I'm so baffled that some people have a problem with it.

It literally happens in one scene for a second, if that. If I blinked or talked to the person next to me, I would have missed it.


Even more baffling is that they show that these people EXPLODE in certain conditions and that heat and fire is largely involved with extremis . . . yet, to some, a fire breathing individual is just too damn much for someone that can control the high levels of heat with their condition.

So they can spontaneously combust if they get too hot, heat metal with their bare hands but a second of fire out of their mouth is going too far? I just don't get it. It's like saying that you can believe the T-1000 can turn it's hands into knives and stabbing weapons but mimicking another person's appearance is the straw that broke the camel's back.

It looked stupid. It came out of nowhere and never served another point. But I agree with you on this point. For me all the stuff you mentioned sort of sucked. I did not care for any of it as there seemed to be no rules to what the Extremis. Some blow up, some don't, Hey breathing fire seems like a good weapon but I won't use it again (it's like the writers knew how stupid it was)

My problem is just the people who can buy aliens and gods, but a not firebreathing heat virus.

This will go to Celtic and the above poster.


None of this would matter if done well!!!

I can accept Aliens and Gods because it was all done well and was well written. Personally I don't care about "fantasy" being in an IM film but I want the Fantasy done well.

IM3 is not a well written film. It's just not. What was the reason for that chick Killian was working with?? Was she important to the plot in some way? Why does anyone care about Killian and his plan.... What was his plan.... Oh I would like to hear more theories about Tony Stark and proving he did not need the suit just so you can explain away why he did not wear the suit -other then a star or Studios ego in showing off it's lead actor they paid for or Shane Black just hates IM fans.

The blowing of the fire just sort of symbolizes to me the outlandish and out of control "throw in the everything but the Kitchen sink" goofiness of the movie.

Hey lets have Tony have PTSD
Lets Have The Mandarin be the bad a$$ villain but then completely ruin it for a twist nobody will see coming (Who cares about Story - we are so cleaver)
Let's put a Kid in the film
Let have Tony make Suits he does not have to be in (who care about drama)
Lets have guys who are on fire
Lets Have one guy Blow Fire
Let's have some guys blow up
Lets Have Tony Stark be MacGyver
Let's have Tony and Rhodey be a Funny comedy team
Let's have the Iron Patriot in the film (not sure why)
Let's have the Vice President be in cahoots with the Villain.
Let's have another twist involving the Girl from earlier in the film betray Tony (We don't even know why we have her in the film except we needed another plot twist because we blew our load wit the other one)
Let's have the Villains Shut down the IM suits with a hot touch to the wrists of the suit.
Let's have Tony have an Unfunny moment with a Super fan.
Lets have Pepper be more of an Action Star in this one
Let's have like 50 Iron Man suits and with those suits
Let's have Tony not really do anything in the Iron Man Suit or Rhodey.

Some people can role with all of this and that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. Personally I just felt it was too much and lacked direction and the story and film suffered because of it.


I will be willing to give this film a second chance when it comes out on Blu ray. So I accept the fact that my opinion could change. It would not be the first time.

But this whole "you can accept Avengers but not IM3" deal is a bit much. I personally have gone out of my way to not compare the two films because that would really be unfair to IM3. But if people want to then by all means. Look at the difference between a well done story with a good villain and well thought out characters and motives and IM3 blender of half thought out ideas.

Oh yeah and the Mandarin twist sucked Imagine if Hans Gruber in Die Hard was suddenly exposed to not be the real villain, or the Joker in the Dark Knight, or Bane in The Dark... Oh wait (just kidding, at least he still kicked a$$) Point is they ruined what was a good villain (comics or not) who felt menacing and replaced him with an average one.

And I don't want to hear "But that is what made it so great" This was a twist that is like BAD M Night Shyamalan. Not Good M Night Shyamalan. It was a twist for a twists sake. It served no real purpose.

Now I know many liked it. But this isn't a 6th Sense twist were the film will be cooler with a second viewing. It just makes all the Mandarin scenes worthless next time.

Of course I could be wrong and this is just my opinion. I could change my view after a second viewing. But I disliked IM2 when I first saw it and I hated this one more.


Anyways I am not saying any of you fans have to agree with me ad it's all JMO. IM3 really is not an important enough film to get so heated. It is a part 3 after all. I just wanted to explain why I think many don't like the fire breathing but can handle Aliens and Gods.

Joss Whedon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shane Black

 

[Gates70]

This will go to Celtic and the above poster.


None of this would matter if done well!!!

I can accept Aliens and Gods because it was all done well and was well written. Personally I don't care about "fantasy" being in an IM film but I want the Fantasy done well.

IM3 is not a well written film. It's just not. What was the reason for that chick Killian was working with?? Was she important to the plot in some way? Why does anyone care about Killian and his plan.... What was his plan.... Oh I would like to hear more theories about Tony Stark and proving he did not need the suit just so you can explain away why he did not wear the suit -other then a star or Studios ego in showing off it's lead actor they paid for or Shane Black just hates IM fans.

The blowing of the fire just sort of symbolizes to me the outlandish and out of control "throw in the everything but the Kitchen sink" goofiness of the movie.

Hey lets have Tony have PTSD
Lets Have The Mandarin be the bad a$$ villain but then completely ruin it for a twist nobody will see coming (Who cares about Story - we are so cleaver)
Let's put a Kid in the film
Let have Tony make Suits he does not have to be in (who care about drama)
Lets have guys who are on fire
Lets Have one guy Blow Fire
Let's have some guys blow up
Lets Have Tony Stark be MacGyver
Let's have Tony and Rhodey be a Funny comedy team
Let's have the Iron Patriot in the film (not sure why)
Let's have the Vice President be in cahoots with the Villain.
Let's have another twist involving the Girl from earlier in the film betray Tony (We don't even know why we have her in the film except we needed another plot twist because we blew our load wit the other one)
Let's have the Villains Shut down the IM suits with a hot touch to the wrists of the suit.
Let's have Tony have an Unfunny moment with a Super fan.
Lets have Pepper be more of an Action Star in this one
Let's have like 50 Iron Man suits and with those suits
Let's have Tony not really do anything in the Iron Man Suit or Rhodey.

Some people can role with all of this and that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. Personally I just felt it was too much and lacked direction and the story and film suffered because of it.


I will be willing to give this film a second chance when it comes out on Blu ray. So I accept the fact that my opinion could change. It would not be the first time.

But this whole "you can accept Avengers but not IM3" deal is a bit much. I personally have gone out of my way to not compare the two films because that would really be unfair to IM3. But if people want to then by all means. Look at the difference between a well done story with a good villain and well thought out characters and motives and IM3 blender of half thought out ideas.

Oh yeah and the Mandarin twist sucked Imagine if Hans Gruber in Die Hard was suddenly exposed to not be the real villain, or the Joker in the Dark Knight, or Bane in The Dark... Oh wait (just kidding, at least he still kicked a$$) Point is they ruined what was a good villain (comics or not) who felt menacing and replaced him with an average one.

And I don't want to hear "But that is what made it so great" This was a twist that is like BAD M Night Shyamalan. Not Good M Night Shyamalan. It was a twist for a twists sake. It served no real purpose.

Now I know many liked it. But this isn't a 6th Sense twist were the film will be cooler with a second viewing. It just makes all the Mandarin scenes worthless next time.

Of course I could be wrong and this is just my opinion. I could change my view after a second viewing. But I disliked IM2 when I first saw it and I hated this one more.


Anyways I am not saying any of you fans have to agree with me ad it's all JMO. IM3 really is not an important enough film to get so heated. It is a part 3 after all. I just wanted to explain why I think many don't like the fire breathing but can handle Aliens and Gods.

Joss Whedon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shane Black

Agree with all of this! My thoughts exactly except for the fact that Bane was still a villain, he was just not the "boss" as we thought. The Mandarin on the other hand.....

 

[The Josh]

I can accept Aliens and Gods because it was all done well and was well written. Personally I don't care about "fantasy" being in an IM film but I want the Fantasy done well.

I guess it depends on how you thought things went. I can easily accept the things I saw in IM3 because they felt very much the same as things I saw in the other films. Different strokes for different folks and all of that.

IM3 is not a well written film. It's just not. What was the reason for that chick Killian was working with?? Was she important to the plot in some way? Why does anyone care about Killian and his plan.... What was his plan.... Oh I would like to hear more theories about Tony Stark and proving he did not need the suit just so you can explain away why he did not wear the suit -other then a star or Studios ego in showing off it's lead actor they paid for or Shane Black just hates IM fans.

The part in bold is your opinion. Its not fact even if you try and sell it that way. She was the chick who developed the extremis virus. Thought that was farily obvious by the fern regenirating and she gets a card from him in the elevator. His plan was to make the world pay it seems but also make Tony Stark pay for embarassing him.

Some people can role with all of this and that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. Personally I just felt it was too much and lacked direction and the story and film suffered because of it.

Its obviously not fine because you and a few others keep hammering anyone who talks about the points that "they" like that "you" don't. So obviously you have some kind of issue with it. You nailed it with the last part "Peresonally, I" remember that going forward.

But this whole "you can accept Avengers but not IM3" deal is a bit much.

Its really not. However, I don't see a middle ground of acceptance because some have dug their heels in pretty hard at this point.

And I don't want to hear "But that is what made it so great" This was a twist that is like BAD M Night Shyamalan. Not Good M Night Shyamalan. It was a twist for a twists sake. It served no real purpose.

Maybe people did find that's one of the things that made it so great. It's a point you don't agree with but the point is that's what they liked. You don't have to agree but at least be able to understand it may be a point that cause folks to enjoy it.

Now I know many liked it. But this isn't a 6th Sense twist were the film will be cooler with a second viewing. It just makes all the Mandarin scenes worthless next time.

I thought you didn't want to hear it but you can say you understand many liked it.

Of course I could be wrong and this is just my opinion. I could change my view after a second viewing. But I disliked IM2 when I first saw it and I hated this one more.

Just remember others have opinions that they liked it. You may not want to hear the reasons people like it but accept it. Also, don't say you don't want to hear it but then say you understand that people may feel differently. Talking out both sides of your mouth there IMO.

Anyways I am not saying any of you fans have to agree with me ad it's all JMO. IM3 really is not an important enough film to get so heated. It is a part 3 after all. I just wanted to explain why I think many don't like the fire breathing but can handle Aliens and Gods.

I'm pretty sure that's not what the jist of most of your posts on this movie are saying to be honest.

What can you, right? That's just the way it goes here in these forums. It's almost as if people take offense that we didn't like the movie. It's the same every movie thread you go. If you bad mouth a major movie, you are going to have a bad time. Happened with the Avengers, TDKR and son on.

Its not taking offense to people not liking it. Its how people approach talking about how they don't like things. Disucss what you didn't like but avoid doing it in a way that knocks down people who liked it. Avoid stating your opinion as fact. Once you've had a good discussion with people move on. There is really no point in going into a thread just simply to keep repeating why you thought a movie was crap. It kills the discussion. Its hard to jump in and talk about what was cool without someone who really hated it telling us that for the 1,000,000 time that they didn't, and why people who liked it are simple minded (I'm exaggerating here a bit I know). So like I said it leaves little for anyone who wants to talk positive about it or any room for some of the great back and forth I've seen in threads.

 

[Entropy]

The part in bold is your opinion. Its not fact even if you try and sell it that way.

Yep.

I overhear people in museums all the time, generally teenage boys but often their slack-jawed parents as well, saying "this painting is stupid" or "that statue makes no sense", blaming the thing for their own dismissal of it.

 

[cokebabies]

 

[JAWS]

My reply in bold.

I guess it depends on how you thought things went. I can easily accept the things I saw in IM3 because they felt very much the same as things I saw in the other films. Different strokes for different folks and all of that.

Agreed

The part in bold is your opinion. Its not fact even if you try and sell it that way. She was the chick who developed the extremis virus. Thought that was farily obvious by the fern regenirating and she gets a card from him in the elevator. His plan was to make the world pay it seems but also make Tony Stark pay for embarassing him.

I tried to stress several times that this was all my opinion. I can see how my statement came across as fact. It's not. It's MO. Hell am sure some think Plan 9 is was well written film also

I know she developed it. But she didn't have to be the one. She was just thrown in there for another "Oh my twist" What was her threat to kill herself all about?? I know what Killians overall plan was but I felt it was poorly explained but mostly because the film was just all over the place. IMO

Its obviously not fine because you and a few others keep hammering anyone who talks about the points that "they" like that "you" don't. So obviously you have some kind of issue with it. You nailed it with the last part "Peresonally, I" remember that going forward.

Just as so many others can not for the life of them except that we don't like it. My rebuttal was directed at them for their failure to understand why others may have a problem with "breathing fire" and not Aliens.



Its really not. However, I don't see a middle ground of acceptance because some have dug their heels in pretty hard at this point.

I am just saying you should not compare the two films as one is THE AVENGERS staring THOR, HULK, Cap AMERICA, and IRON MAN... It's really not fair to Iron man as far as scale goes and it's not fair to avengers as it does have gods and large Green men, and Super Soldiers. They are just "different" kinds of films. I am not faulting IM at all for this. As I said. I have no issues with Fantasy in an IM film. Ijust thought it was done poorly. Take away the fire people and just make them bad guys in robot suits and I would still have many of the same issues with much of the story and film.

Maybe people did find that's one of the things that made it so great. It's a point you don't agree with but the point is that's what they liked. You don't have to agree but at least be able to understand it may be a point that cause folks to enjoy it.

I understand it. I know it was more of a rant. But again I tried to stress that this is all opinion and that my opinion could change with future viewings. We are talking about film and this is how film discussion goes sometimes.


I thought you didn't want to hear it but you can say you understand many liked it.

Not sure what you mean here. I was just stressing why I had an issue with the twist and how it would effect future viewings.

Just remember others have opinions that they liked it. You may not want to hear the reasons people like it but accept it. Also, don't say you don't want to hear it but then say you understand that people may feel differently. Talking out both sides of your mouth there IMO.

I have no issues at all with why people like it. I like to read their reasons why they like it. My rant post was dealing with the whole "You ca accept it here but not here" thing. When I or others explain our point of view the term Comic book geek, or You like alien and gods but not Extremis is thrown around.

The part I did not want to hear is the "tony had to prove he was not just a man in a suit" That is an Opinion in itself that has bee thrown around like a fact. Even though there is no mention in the film about it. In fact I have asked several times why people feel that way when the Avengers gave us a great answer to that. Tony proved in Avengers he was more then just a suit. It was the whole point I what he did at the end of the film after Cap called him out on being just a suit.


I'm pretty sure that's not what the jist of most of your posts on this movie are saying to be honest.


I have to ask Josh. How much more can I put IMO and stress that I understand that people are going to differ with me but still be able to explain how I feel the film was bad? Do you have issues with those who just can't understand how someone likes a film or if they explain a plot point they don't follow up each one with a "IMO" I don't slam anyone' tastes in films. I try and be kind with my views of the film without putting down the fans.

I have never said anyone was wrong for having their views. But I have see attempts to belittle my views with the comments I already posted. I will give you that the "It's a poorly written" film part was a tad to much "It's a fact" Statement. But I have been pretty liberal using the IMO so everyone knows it's my feeling towards the film.

I guess that because you enjoyed the film you don't notice it when fans of the film post their "facts". But we are talking film here and I guess everyone should be aware that there is not right or wrong answer to how someone enjoys a film or not. But I guess that should go without saying.


Its not taking offense to people not liking it. Its how people approach talking about how they don't like things. Disucss what you didn't like but avoid doing it in a way that knocks down people who liked it. Avoid stating your opinion as fact. Once you've had a good discussion with people move on. There is really no point in going into a thread just simply to keep repeating why you thought a movie was crap. It kills the discussion. Its hard to jump in and talk about what was cool without someone who really hated it telling us that for the 1,000,000 time that they didn't, and why people who liked it are simple minded (I'm exaggerating here a bit I know). So like I said it leaves little for anyone who wants to talk positive about it or any room for some of the great back and forth I've seen in threads.

I know this was not directed at me But I did not knock down anyone. I made my points and defended my points. If you don't like my points then great, debate them. But please don't act like the non fans are the only ones doing this.

 

[JAWS]

Yep.

I overhear people in museums all the time, generally teenage boys but often their slack-jawed parents as well, saying "this painting is stupid" or "that statue makes no sense", blaming the thing for their own dismissal of it.

Here is a great example of indirect insults.

Lets all ignore the fact that it was the only place where I put my comment in a factual context. Even though I put IMO and "I could change my mind with another viewing" all through my post.

 

[The Josh]

Yep.

I overhear people in museums all the time, generally teenage boys but often their slack-jawed parents as well, saying "this painting is stupid" or "that statue makes no sense", blaming the thing for their own dismissal of it.

It is sad when people won't open their minds to things and try and learn. I love learning about things myself and why things didn't work.

I know she developed it. But she didn't have to be the one. She was just thrown in there for another "Oh my twist" What was her threat to kill herself all about?? I know what Killians overall plan was but I felt it was poorly explained but mostly because the film was just all over the place. IMO

If she developed it why wouldn't she be the one? That would make less sense as to where Killian got it from. She loves Tony and has had feelings for him. She's trying to now play the good guy. That's how I took that anyways. His plan I thought was fairly simple he wanted to make people pay especially Tony

Just as so many others can not for the life of them except that we don't like it. My rebuttal was directed at them for their failure to understand why others may have a problem with "breathing fire" and not Aliens.

Of course there are people who are the other way. Thing is neither you nor the people you're going at are moving much. Personally, I understand you can't accept it but for me it works within everything we've seen in this collected universe.

I am just saying you should not compare the two films as one is THE AVENGERS staring THOR, HULK, Cap AMERICA, and IRON MAN... It's really not fair to Iron man as far as scale goes and it's not fair to avengers as it does have gods and large Green men, and Super Soldiers. They are just "different" kinds of films. I am not faulting IM at all for this. As I said. I have no issues with Fantasy in an IM film. Ijust thought it was done poorly. Take away the fire people and just make them bad guys in robot suits and I would still have many of the same issues with much of the story and film.

I don't see why you can't compare them. The movies are all virtually tied together. I understand that but the fire soliders and extremis at least from my pov work within the world they've established.

I have no issues at all with why people like it. I like to read their reasons why they like it. My rant post was dealing with the whole "You ca accept it here but not here" thing. When I or others explain our point of view the term Comic book geek, or You like alien and gods but not Extremis is thrown around.

It comes across differently I think. I guess for a lot of people its funny to see people saying they can accept this but man this is too crazy. It really for me kind of makes me chuckle a bit. Its all pretty fantastical and they haven't gone too far. If others do great.

The part I did not want to hear is the "tony had to prove he was not just a man in a suit" That is an Opinion in itself that has bee thrown around like a fact. Even though there is no mention in the film about it. In fact I have asked several times why people feel that way when the Avengers gave us a great answer to that. Tony proved in Avengers he was more then just a suit. It was the whole point I what he did at the end of the film after Cap called him out on being just a suit.

You did get some of that but I think in this movie it was more about Tony proving that to himself.

I have to ask Josh. How much more can I put IMO and stress that I understand that people are going to differ with me but still be able to explain how I feel the film was bad? Do you have issues with those who just can't understand how someone likes a film or if they explain a plot point they don't follow up each one with a "IMO" I don't slam anyone' tastes in films. I try and be kind with my views of the film without putting down the fans.

Its not about IMO. Its about how people write thing and if you write something that comes across as fact when its opinion it can rub people wrong. Its common practice and we've all done it. I have no issue at all if people didn't like the film. I do have an issue when people try to state their opinion as fact and tell me I should hate the movie for their reasons.

I guess that because you enjoyed the film you don't notice it when fans of the film post their "facts". But we are talking film here and I guess everyone should be aware that there is not right or wrong answer to how someone enjoys a film or not. But I guess that should go without saying.

You'd be surprised what I notice about how people write things on the board. The road works both ways.

I know this was not directed at me But I did not knock down anyone. I made my points and defended my points. If you don't like my points then great, debate them. But please don't act like the non fans are the only ones doing this.

I've mentioned before these posts the road works both ways when it comes to this kind of stuff.

 

[DiFabio]

That's why it's a pathetic Iron Man movie

TDKR was a pathetic Batman movie too though.



- barely in it as Batman (like Iron Man)

- all about Wayne (just like Stark)

- yet another Al Ghul twist difference being this one is lame

- weird, unnerving setting

- lame villain death at the hands of the girl friend unexpectedly popping up

- post 9/11 worlds with yet another commentary on terrorism and the WAR ON TERROR (I think Iron Man 3 did theirs brilliantly)







As a Batman movie it's awful.






You haven't done this (from what I've seen), but some of the gripes against Iron Man 3, like comic fidelity, interpretation, etc. comes across as hypocrisy when those same people hating on it love the hell out of TDKR (like old Solid Snake).




I think the reason I'm so forgiving to Iron Man 3 is because I'm not a hardcore Iron Man fan and I really enjoyed the tone and themes of the movie. The writing is also more clever and humorous, I like the witty, snappy dialogue as opposed to dry, drawn out speeches about "what's right". I was more hard on TDKR because I'm a hardcore Batman fan and loved the hell out of Begins and Dark Knight (though I loved Iron Man 1 too).

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

What can you, right? That's just the way it goes here in these forums. It's almost as if people take offense that we didn't like the movie. It's the same every movie thread you go. If you bad mouth a major movie, you are going to have a bad time. Happened with the Avengers, TDKR and son on.

Or did like the movie in some cases

That's exactly why I'm so baffled that some people have a problem with it.

It literally happens in one scene for a second, if that. If I blinked or talked to the person next to me, I would have missed it.

Doesn't that kinda make it worse? He has this awesome power but only uses it the once and not when it could save him in battle at the end .

I think the fire-breathing issue with people is it is so out of whack with all established science shown upto now in the IRON MAN MOVIES, other movies? It is no less outlandish, but in the Iron Man movies series it goes beyond the established

 

[Entropy]

Here is a great example of indirect insults.

Lets all ignore the fact that it was the only place where I put my comment in a factual context. Even though I put IMO and "I could change my mind with another viewing" all through my post.

no, it was a direct insult of the ignorant and foolish people who come to a museum just to quickly and offhandedly dismiss the work there as "garbage" with little to no understanding of the work, the notion that the work is lacking or at fault rather than the viewer.

 

[creature4000]

at all the comments in this thread. Most are justified on both sides of the fence, unfortunatley.