Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[JAWS]

In Bold again. Is there a quick way to break them up into small quotes like you do Josh??

It is sad when people won't open their minds to things and try and learn. I love learning about things myself and why things didn't work.

At the same time there is nothing wrong with not liking something. I hated HATED "Night of the Bloody Apes" I don't need to watch it a bunch more times to understand why I hated it or dwell on why I hated it.

I would say that most of the IM fans have put some thought on why the don't like the new film and have not just said "it sucks" and bee on their way.



If she developed it why wouldn't she be the one? That would make less sense as to where Killian got it from. She loves Tony and has had feelings for him. She's trying to now play the good guy. That's how I took that anyways. His plan I thought was fairly simple he wanted to make people pay especially Tony.

I guess I can see the whole "She loves tony" I just feel she was underdeveloped and had no need for her. Killian could have just been a shunned inventor in the beginning of the film and created the Extremis himself and it would have worked out the exact same way.

But why did she threaten to kill herself to Killian like she was more important then she was??

Of course there are people who are the other way. Thing is neither you nor the people you're going at are moving much. Personally, I understand you can't accept it but for me it works within everything we've seen in this collected universe.

I think I pointed that out in my post. Some people are able to roll with these issues. If you can then you can enjoy the film. If you can't then you are in for a bumpy ride.



I don't see why you can't compare them. The movies are all virtually tied together. I understand that but the fire soliders and extremis at least from my pov work within the world they've established.

I am just saying you can't really compare because it's the Avengers. It's huge!! It has all the heroes in it. Usually it's the Pro IM camp that don't like the comparisons. I fully understand that because is was not only a film with all the heroes it was a great film with all the heroes. There were some complaints early on that IM3 haters were expecting too much because of The Avengers. I think that is a valid argument and think that IM should be compared with the other IM films



It comes across differently I think. I guess for a lot of people its funny to see people saying they can accept this but man this is too crazy. It really for me kind of makes me chuckle a bit. Its all pretty fantastical and they haven't gone too far. If others do great.

I think you see it this way because you like the film. Thus you have a hard time with it. While us on the other side can't understand how fans can't see that there is a difference on how this was handled compared to other things.


You did get some of that but I think in this movie it was more about Tony proving that to himself.

I guess. But there is no reference to that. It seems to be what people are putting into it themselves. And since he spends most of the film trying to fix, get into, get saved by, his suits, I don't think he did a good job proving it to anyone. Least of all himself. Hell he even needed to call on 50 of his suits and needed to be saved by everyone.

I am not saying people are wrong in feeling that way. I just don't see it there on the screen. And that was the reason for my statements about not wanting to hear it in the original post about why There is no IM in an IM movie.



Its not about IMO. Its about how people write thing and if you write something that comes across as fact when its opinion it can rub people wrong. Its common practice and we've all done it. I have no issue at all if people didn't like the film. I do have an issue when people try to state their opinion as fact and tell me I should hate the movie for their reasons.

I agree. But I really feel that I only made one "factual" statement which I agree was the wrong way to put it. I in no way think anyone who likes the film should hate it because of how I feel. But I my and others should not be belittles just because we didn't like it.



You'd be surprised what I notice about how people write things on the board. The road works both ways.

Perhaps I missed it. But I sis not see you call the others out on it.


I've mentioned before these posts the road works both ways when it comes to this kind of stuff.

This is true.

 

[JAWS]

no, it was a direct insult of the ignorant and foolish people who come to a museum just to quickly and offhandedly dismiss the work there as "garbage" with little to no understanding of the work, the notion that the work is lacking or at fault rather than the viewer.

But you compared it to people who have issues with IM3 and happen to state dislike as fact. I will assume you must not have read all of my post to see that I put plenty of reasons to say why I felt the way I felt.

If that was not the case then why post it here in an IM thread and not in a new thread about people who hate art?

 

[JAWS]

Comments in bold

TDKR was a pathetic Batman movie too though. Without question I had many issues with TDKR as a Batman movie.


- barely in it as Batman (like Iron Man) this is a misconception. I think if you time it out he is actually Batman more in this then in TDK. I think I read that but I could be wrong.

- all about Wayne (just like Stark) - I don't know if this will make sense but after Wayne becomes "the Batman" he always is the Batman to me. Even when he is Bruce. I don't feel like I am missing out on Batman when Bruce is on the Screen. Bruce is always Batman. One of my fav parts is when he kicks A$$ as Wayne at the Fund raiser for Dent or playing Detective with Kyle. He is always the Bat. Tony on the other hand is funny in or out of his suit but he can't do much without the suit like Wayne can. This he is not always IM. He relies more on his toys then Wayne does.


- yet another Al Ghul twist difference being this one is lame Agree 100%

- weird, unnerving setting - Not sure if I agree. I think Bane made that setting unnerving. But I am not 100% sure where you are going with this.

- lame villain death at the hands of the girl friend unexpectedly popping up SUCKED

- post 9/11 worlds with yet another commentary on terrorism and the WAR ON TERROR (I think Iron Man 3 did theirs brilliantly) Don't agree with you on how IM3 did theirs and the whole Brilliantly part (Rich white guys are always the real villains in Hollywood, right?) But they are both a bit similar. I thought IM TDK and TDKR were much more heavy handed with it.

Let me add Batman Kills the guy driving the truck





As a Batman movie it's awful. - It's flawed but I would not say it's awful.





You haven't done this (from what I've seen), but some of the gripes against Iron Man 3, like comic fidelity, interpretation, etc. comes across as hypocrisy when those same people hating on it love the hell out of TDKR (like old Solid Snake).

I see your point. I think, for me anyways, is that IMO TDKR is just a better made film. It's not perfect but it stays true to the feel of the world it created. I only rolled my eyes a couple of times but could look past the issues because the film as a whole was better. Where I thought IM3 was stubbing it's toe all over the place.

In the end I thought TDKR was a better action adventure film then IM3 was a Action comedy film



I think the reason I'm so forgiving to Iron Man 3 is because I'm not a hardcore Iron Man fan and I really enjoyed the tone and themes of the movie. The writing is also more clever and humorous, I like the witty, snappy dialogue as opposed to dry, drawn out speeches about "what's right". I was more hard on TDKR because I'm a hardcore Batman fan and loved the hell out of Begins and Dark Knight (though I loved Iron Man 1 too).

Funny thing is that I am not a hard core IM fan and was not as forgiving as you were. I just could not have the fun that others had with it. First time viewing I Loved TDKR flaws and all. It was not until I had time to think about it that I became harder on the film.

Doesn't that kinda make it worse? He has this awesome power but only uses it the once and not when it could save him in battle at the end .

I think the fire-breathing issue with people is it is so out of whack with all established science shown upto now in the IRON MAN MOVIES, other movies? It is no less outlandish, but in the Iron Man movies series it goes beyond the established

Again I have no issue with the fantasy part but yeah I think it does make it worse that he only uses a pretty bad A$$ power only once. Like I said it's like the writers thought it would be cool for that scene and then forgot all about it. Thus making it stick out that much more.

I really think I could have handled it if he actually used that power again. Battle between him and Tony suited up could have been much cooler then what we got.

 

[Entropy]

But you compared it to people who have issues with IM3 and happen to state dislike as fact. I will assume you must not have read all of my post to see that I put plenty of reasons to say why I felt the way I felt.

If that was not the case then why post it here in an IM thread and not in a new thread about people who hate art?

read again.

I was commenting on Josh's post bolding and commenting on your declaration that IM3 is poorly written but more broadly the idea that maybe the problem isn't with the work but with the person viewing the work. I don't think every aspect of a film or story can be taken in on one viewing (see "mom explains the Matrix" video). I've certainly seen movies, read books, etc that I didn't care for or understand at the time but with re-examination, perhaps at a different time in my life with more life experiences, I came to understand I was the one lacking who didn't "get it" not the movie or book or painting. I haven't read the various long winded posts about this film so perhaps you expressed the same sentiment at some point.

And isn't this a thread about people that hate art? Seems that way with some posts.

 

[cokebabies]

I hate art.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Still haven't gone to see this.

I think I'll wait for DVD.

 

[JAWS]

read again.

I was commenting on Josh's post bolding and commenting on your declaration that IM3 is poorly written but more broadly the idea that maybe the problem isn't with the work but with the person viewing the work. I don't think every aspect of a film or story can be taken in on one viewing (see "mom explains the Matrix" video). I've certainly seen movies, read books, etc that I didn't care for or understand at the time but with re-examination, perhaps at a different time in my life with more life experiences, I came to understand I was the one lacking who didn't "get it" not the movie or book or painting. I haven't read the various long winded posts about this film so perhaps you expressed the same sentiment at some point.

And isn't this a thread about people that hate art? Seems that way with some posts.

Well you should always read my long winded rants. They are very educational and always right

 

[RyanSD]

TDKR was a pathetic Batman movie too though.



- barely in it as Batman (like Iron Man)

- all about Wayne (just like Stark)

- yet another Al Ghul twist difference being this one is lame

- weird, unnerving setting

- lame villain death at the hands of the girl friend unexpectedly popping up

- post 9/11 worlds with yet another commentary on terrorism and the WAR ON TERROR (I think Iron Man 3 did theirs brilliantly)







As a Batman movie it's awful.






You haven't done this (from what I've seen), but some of the gripes against Iron Man 3, like comic fidelity, interpretation, etc. comes across as hypocrisy when those same people hating on it love the hell out of TDKR (like old Solid Snake).




I think the reason I'm so forgiving to Iron Man 3 is because I'm not a hardcore Iron Man fan and I really enjoyed the tone and themes of the movie. The writing is also more clever and humorous, I like the witty, snappy dialogue as opposed to dry, drawn out speeches about "what's right". I was more hard on TDKR because I'm a hardcore Batman fan and loved the hell out of Begins and Dark Knight (though I loved Iron Man 1 too).

I've been saying the same thing since day 1. I'm a big Iron Man fan, but I'm a way bigger Batman fan. TDKR was, for the most part, a travesty of a Batman film and a mediocre, at best, social commentary film. Iron Man 3 is a good Iron Man movie, and much more in tone and feel of the 70's and 80's Iron Man comics, than TDKR was in tone with any Batman comics from any era.

 

[The Josh]

In Bold again. Is there a quick way to break them up into small quotes like you do Josh??

Just hit the quote button then copy and paste where it says

At the same time there is nothing wrong with not liking something. I hated HATED "Night of the Bloody Apes" I don't need to watch it a bunch more times to understand why I hated it or dwell on why I hated it.

I would say that most of the IM fans have put some thought on why the don't like the new film and have not just said "it sucks" and bee on their way.

There is nothing wrong with not liking something. I'm talking about it from a perspective of dismissing something without giving it much thought.

I guess I can see the whole "She loves tony" I just feel she was underdeveloped and had no need for her. Killian could have just been a shunned inventor in the beginning of the film and created the Extremis himself and it would have worked out the exact same way.

But why did she threaten to kill herself to Killian like she was more important then she was??

Well, she was more important to than he was. She was the one outside of Stark able to figure out how to balance extremis out. Killian had no clue how to do it that's why he needed her. He killed her because she was now a road block to killing stark or keeping stark from joining.

She had the whole love Tony but she was also scorned by Tony just like Killian was. You could have left her out and it probably wouldn't have changed much.

I am just saying you can't really compare because it's the Avengers. It's huge!! It has all the heroes in it. Usually it's the Pro IM camp that don't like the comparisons. I fully understand that because is was not only a film with all the heroes it was a great film with all the heroes. There were some complaints early on that IM3 haters were expecting too much because of The Avengers. I think that is a valid argument and think that IM should be compared with the other IM films

When I talk about compairing I mean some of the crazy stuff we saw it in compared to what we saw in any of the other films.

I think you see it this way because you like the film. Thus you have a hard time with it. While us on the other side can't understand how fans can't see that there is a difference on how this was handled compared to other things.

I don't know. The things done felt natural in compairison with how things were done in the other films. Liking the film I guess plays into that I suppose. For me if I'm willing to roll with all the things came before that I really can't stomp my feet at what extremis did, which to me is not as crazy as gods/aliens.

I guess. But there is no reference to that. It seems to be what people are putting into it themselves. And since he spends most of the film trying to fix, get into, get saved by, his suits, I don't think he did a good job proving it to anyone. Least of all himself. Hell he even needed to call on 50 of his suits and needed to be saved by everyone.

I am not saying people are wrong in feeling that way. I just don't see it there on the screen. And that was the reason for my statements about not wanting to hear it in the original post about why There is no IM in an IM movie.

I think it was something you had to read between the lines with some of what went on. Its how I took it and all I can say is I felt it was there.

But I my and others should not be belittles just because we didn't like it.

I agree

Perhaps I missed it. But I did not see you call the others out on it.

I don't know if I've said anything in this thread but I have in the past. I will say when it comes to writing your posts as fact it does tend to happen more when people don't like something, or when you get into that heated back and forth.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I love TDKR

and I love IM3.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

People either liked this movie or they didn't, this thread reminds me of Democrats and republicans arguing thier points but never accomplishing anything. Isn't it better just to agree to disagree and respect peoples opinions rather then trying to convince them that your opinion is right and theirs is wrong. This movie wasn't deep enough to warrant this much discussion hence why the bickering between the two camps. Discussions are good but this one here isn't very constructive because subject matter doesn't lend itself to a deep analysis. What you saw is what you got, its as simple as that. If you liked the movie great, if u didn't I feel your pain.

 

[JAWS]

Well, she was more important to than he was. She was the one outside of Stark able to figure out how to balance extremis out. Killian had no clue how to do it that's why he needed her. He killed her because she was now a road block to killing stark or keeping stark from joining.

She had the whole love Tony but she was also scorned by Tony just like Killian was. You could have left her out and it probably wouldn't have changed much.
.

Ok. So let me get this straight. If she dies nobody can balance the Extremis out? Is it not a bad move then to kill her?? Perhaps that is why Killian took Pepper?? So Tony would have to balance it out. I can't remember if that was the case. I know that Killian tried awfully hard to kill tony.

Was he himself balanced out?? I assume he must have been if he was willing to kill the ones who could balance it out. Like I said I thought the whole Extremis thing was sort of all over the place. But in all honesty I can't remember much about what was said about it. So maybe there were answers that I just don't remember.

 

[JAWS]

I've been saying the same thing since day 1. I'm a big Iron Man fan, but I'm a way bigger Batman fan. TDKR was, for the most part, a travesty of a Batman film and a mediocre, at best, social commentary film. Iron Man 3 is a good Iron Man movie, and much more in tone and feel of the 70's and 80's Iron Man comics, than TDKR was in tone with any Batman comics from any era.

Batman 89 is a much worse Batman film then TDKR. How about that

 

[RyanSD]

Batman 89 is a much worse Batman film then TDKR. How about that

89 has its problems, but I think it was a better Bat film than TDKR was. Then again, I will always look at 89' with rose-tinted glasses, and don't pretend not to.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Yeah 89' is a complete nostalgia ride, on top of it also being a pretty damn cool movie. It's up there for me.

 

[The Josh]

Ok. So let me get this straight. If she dies nobody can balance the Extremis out? Is it not a bad move then to kill her?? Perhaps that is why Killian took Pepper?? So Tony would have to balance it out. I can't remember if that was the case. I know that Killian tried awfully hard to kill tony.

Was he himself balanced out?? I assume he must have been if he was willing to kill the ones who could balance it out. Like I said I thought the whole Extremis thing was sort of all over the place. But in all honesty I can't remember much about what was said about it. So maybe there were answers that I just don't remember.

That is how I took it yes outside of Tony. Well, its not if you can get Stark to do it. Once, he kills her I assume he thinks like you do that he has Pepper and Tony will do it. However, I also believe because Tony wouldn't at this point it was all about killing Tony.

I think he was. He showed ability to regulate himself. A few of them were able to which is why you saw some of the guys blowing up. They were unable to do so.

89 has its problems, but I think it was a better Bat film than TDKR was. Then again, I will always look at 89' with rose-tinted glasses, and don't pretend not to.

I'd put the 89 Batman ahaead of TDKR for sure.

 

[JAWS]

89 has its problems, but I think it was a better Bat film than TDKR was. Then again, I will always look at 89' with rose-tinted glasses, and don't pretend not to.

Yeah 89' is a complete nostalgia ride, on top of it also being a pretty damn cool movie. It's up there for me.

I'd put the 89 Batman ahaead of TDKR for sure.

I have always had issues with Batman 89. I remember I was soooo pumped for it back then. I was in 11th grade. I saw those fist photos of Keaton and Jack as bats and Joker in Time Magazine. I couldn't wait. the Oscars had the first trailer and I went nuts. I was a Huge Nicholson fan at the time also. I was telling everyone how great it was going to be. I was so ready for this film and then I saw it ... I was so let down. But I could not admit it. I still acted like I loved it and even went to see it a few more times. I ran around saying Nicholson should win an Oscar.. all the while inside I was just amazed at how meh I felt about the film and I refused to admit that I was wrong about it.

I always had issues with the movie but time has not been good to that film at all for me. I really don't care for it. I do like Keaton as Batman but it ends there.

I don't like that Batman kills
I don't Like that the Joker is already crazy before he becomes the Joker
I don't like that the Joker killed Batman's parents
I don't like that the Joker somehow knows he killed Batman's parents
I don't like the whole Joker kills people but people come out to see his parade anyways.
I don't like it that the Joker is killed
I don't care for the 30's meets the future look Burton gave it.
I don't like the fact there are basically two Prince Videos
I don't like that everyone in the film other then Bats and Joker have no character.
I know it's an older film but the F/X are bad. No excuse for a film made in 1989 to look that bad. SW was almost 25 years before and did not look like some of the effects in this film.


I do like the first 20 min for the most part. Up until "Wait till they get a load of me" After that the film falls apart. Jack becomes too over the top. When he kills Carl Grism he is scary and wild. After that he is just comic relief. Batman also starts killing people after this moment also.

It does have a great score by Danny Elfman

I understand why many don't like TDKR for being a "bad batman" movie but why does Batman 89 get such a pass.

Sorry about the batman 89' rant in the IM3 thread.

 

[DiFabio]

Batman 89 is a much worse Batman film then TDKR. How about that

No way.



'89 Batman > TDKR Batman

'89 Wayne > TDKR bathrobe Wayne

The Batmobile > Banemobile

Batwing > The Bat

The Joker and Bob > Bane and Talia

Gotham City > New Angelsburgh



1989 Batman actually has the most Batman screen time, Batman isn't a ***** and he goes up against . . . THE JOKER. The Dark Knight is ahead of it, but '89 Batman kills TDKR.

The Keaton Bruce is a reclusive hermit that broods in his mansion too, only difference is he ain't a mopey cripple and actually spends all of his time BEING Batman. It also has nostalgia on it's side.

He also doesn't quit being Batman and Bruce to live out his gay butler's dream of settling down and being a permanent tourist of Italy. Instead of a lame *** statue to garner acceptance, Batman gives them a signal and dat bad azz Lando read his letter.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Fab, you like TDK over 89'?

I'll agree that the batwing was way cooler then the bat. I still prefer TDKR over 89. Any Nobats movie actually.

89 is just an awesome movie. Very watchable.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Wasn't a fan of Vicki Vale and Joker was a bit OTT. I prefer Returns to 89