Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[CelticPredator]

Girl: What's terraforming?
Man: What i'm gonna do to you in a few minutes.

 

[CelticPredator]

Zod delivered on the expectation of a villain that the film promised. He was an opposing force equal to Superman. Someone to give an a nearly indestructible hero a run for his money. He may have been a tad light on development, but I bought into what was there. This was a being who wasn't born, but engineered to do one thing and one thing only. Free will wasn't in the cards for him. He had a job to do, and he had no alternative but to stop anyone who stood in his way. I agree more depth would have been of benefit, but the movie was already so chalk full of characters as it was, so I was satisfied with what we got.

Fake Mandarin's motivation was for free drugs. I rest my case there.

Even his introduction during the godawful "twist" was him exiting a wrecked bathroom, warning his hookers of his **** stank. Toilet humor. Placed there to score juvenile giggles from the audience.

We're just going to have to disagree on this one, pal.

The Mandarin wasn't the villain anyway, so that point is moot. As always. And forever.

And I do love all the fans still whining about it. It's a good thing. Spite them all.

Anyway. Yes, him having one sole purpose was in the film. But that doesn't make him compelling. It makes him one note and dull. I couldn't empathize with him, or really care what he did. He was a bad man, and he was going to do bad things. I like my villains to have a little more to do then that.

 

[Master Wayne]

The Mandarin wasn't the villain anyway, so that point is moot. As always. And forever.

And I do love all the fans still whining about it. It's a good thing. Spite them all.

Anyway. Yes, him having one sole purpose was in the film. But that doesn't make him compelling. It makes him one note and dull. I couldn't empathize with him, or really care what he did. He was a bad man, and he was going to do bad things. I like my villains to have a little more to do then that.

Like Killian? Who was what? Mad at Stark for being a jerk to him over a decade ago? Alright then.

And the film did advertise falsely. I felt ripped off with Iron Man 3. Man of Steel may have been flawed, but it did deliver what it promised me.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm here to say MOS > IM3

MOS moved me, IM3 did not.

 

[DiFabio]

Iron Man 3, Superman III bad? Iron Man 3 wins with witty, snappy dialogue, smart writing and great pacing alone. I bet most of the people that cried (and still do cry) at the superficial things like "OMG, THE MANDARIN", "OMG, HE WASN'T IN THE SUIT", etc. had a **** eating grin on their face at most points during the film. We've all seen god awful superhero flicks that are boring and lack any substance, I don't see how anyone could say such a thing about Iron Man 3. Even if the movie works because of RDJ charisma and charm alone.


I'm not even about to pit it against Man of Steel like everyone seems to be doing because I don't want to go into MOS with a harsh, critical eye and prejudice. They're two different things. I expect to like em both.




Keep up the "Iron Man sucks" hate. I'm sure most of you will be doing a complete 180 for the summer of 2015 when Iron Man returns and you're slobbering for it to be the "MOST EPIC MOVIE EVAH".

 

[jye4ever]

IM3 not bad, but I just couldn't buy into his PTSD.

Also his revenge agenda came off hokey for me post Happy injury.

 

[Niltusk]

These guys hate IM3, but they're still posting about it in thread as well as others.

 

[DiFabio]

IM3 not bad, but I just couldn't buy into his PTSD.

I thought that the first time I saw it too, but then I watched Avengers again on blu ray and remembered that he tried to call Pepper up after he was going to sacrifice himself and passed out after seeing the huge alien army that awaited the planet (that are still out there when he falls to his "death").

The PTSD is good enough for me. Not necessarily because of the NY battle itself (he was in the zone there, laughing and musing all the way while blasting the weak Chitauri), but the after math.


- he was a selfish, arrogant prick but then decided to do the most selfless act imaginable

- Called his woman to say goodbye, no response

- sees what's on the other side of that worm hole

- blacks out and is awakened by the big guy



Makes enough sense to me. Why does he build all those crappy suits in a short amount of time? Because he's obsessed and afraid that other worlds are out there looking to cause trouble with earth and he's just "a man in a tin can". Why can't he sleep? He can't stop thinking about the decision he made and the worm hole itself. That's why he freaks out at the word "worm hole" and something as simple as a crayon sketch of him flying up and saving the world.

 

[The Josh]

I bought into the PTSD myself.

 

[Niltusk]

I thought that the first time I saw it too, but then I watched Avengers again on blu ray and remembered that he tried to call Pepper up after he was going to sacrifice himself and passed out after seeing the huge alien army that awaited the planet (that are still out there when he falls to his "death").

The PTSD is good enough for me. Not necessarily because of the NY battle itself (he was in the zone there, laughing and musing all the way while blasting the weak Chitauri), but the after math.


- he was a selfish, arrogant prick but then decided to do the most selfless act imaginable

- Called his woman to say goodbye, no response

- sees what's on the other side of that worm hole

- blacks out and is awakened by the big guy



Makes enough sense to me. Why does he build all those crappy suits in a short amount of time? Because he's obsessed and afraid that other worlds are out there looking to cause trouble with earth and he's just "a man in a tin can". Why can't he sleep? He can't stop thinking about the decision he made and the worm hole itself. That's why he freaks out at the word "worm hole" and something as simple as a crayon sketch of him flying up and saving the world.

I bought into the PTSD myself.

Good points DiFab on the Avengers lead in.

I think the problem is alot of peoples experience with the Avengers is summed up by "Hulk Smash". Don't get me wrong, I love that too, but if thats all you see...

Probably why you can read into MoS reviews and some posters are discussing issues with MoS and others are just like SUPERMAN SMASH! 12/10!1! 6 Stars out of 5!

Its not the movies, its the wiring watching them.

 

[DiFabio]

I bought into the PTSD myself.

Yeah, and let's remember Stark was never in such an extreme position like the others other than Cap (who also suffers from PTSD from his sacrifice (dive bombing the plane to save NY was very similar to what Stark had done decades later), the war and his "man out of time" situation.

Thor has seen so many wars and battles, this crap comes naturally to him, he's more worried about his brother. Black Widow and Hawkeye are ****ed up killers with a dark past and "red in their ledger", they're dealing with far worse than PTSD. Banner has the Hulk to worry about, nuff said.

Stark was always the type of guy to play it cool, he was always loose and shrugged off everything. He was a playboy that didn't give a ****. That was his character. His selflessness at the end of Avengers though sort of capped that once and for good and he took a proactive approach to the entire situation (just like he had done when he was taken prisoner in film one and lost Yinsen and saw the negative effects of being a weapons manufacture first hand).

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

What exactly cured him of it?

He was afraid he couldn't protect Pepper, then he couldn't protect Pepper, if anything he should've been beyond stressed and had a Coronary

 

[Boba Ben]

The PTSD wasn't the problem for me.

 

[jye4ever]

But he also was drinking champagne celebrating with PP, so he got her back, he's happy, savior of NY, accepted by Shield, hanging out with his new pal Banner in a bad *** convertible.

Then PTSD.

 

[The Josh]

Difabio I agree 100%. I liked how they showed the after affects from him making that decision. I watched a documentary on hbo about PTSD once. It can come back on people at any time and in many different ways. So what Stark did and it having effects makes sense and hell it can be a build up of events over the films before.

 

[Niltusk]

What exactly cured him of it?

He was afraid he couldn't protect Pepper, then he couldn't protect Pepper, if anything he should've been beyond stressed and had a Coronary

Maybe the fact that Pepper protected him drove the fact home that she didn't need protection.

Thats how I took it anyways, but I'm not a movie viewer that needs everything drawn out with crayons.

 

[DiFabio]

But he also was drinking champagne celebrating with PP, so he got her back, he's happy, savior of NY, accepted by Shield, hanging out with his new pal Banner in a bad *** convertible.

Then PTSD.

Yeah but Banner never turned to him in the car and was like, "yo, worm hole".

Plus, the affects of PTSD can happen at any time after the event. It's not like people that suffer from it snap the very next night after the event, war, situation or whatever. It can happen over time. Iron Man 3 is what? Just a year later after the events of Avengers and he's built THAT many suits? Sounds to me like he's been cracking for awhile.

It's not like the PTSD completely whipped his *** either. He was still occasionally cracking jokes and ripping on people even in Iron Man 3. The only difference is that he did it while being completely sleep deprived and obsessed with Pepper's protection, the threat that awaits Earth and that damn wormhole. Hence the things like the 30 something suits he makes, the Avengers tower (that is shown in the Avengers) and his issues.

 

[jye4ever]

The ***** isn't even worth protecting, he has a PTSD attack from a wormhole dream and she tells him off then abandons him.

 

[DiFabio]

To be fair, the Iron Man suit did almost rape her in her sleep. Imagine waking up to that thing over you ready to rip your head off.


And "abandon him" is a little strong. She gave him a hot shower with her after he was telling her his woes. Sounds like a keeper to me.

 

[Niltusk]

Yeah but Banner never turned to him in the car and was like, "yo, worm hole".

That should become a gif tho