Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[hunnipot85]

Did anyone else think it was Daken? Is he x-24?

 

[karamazov80]

Still, I do think people are overrating the movie a bit because of the gore and ballsy ending. It's nowhere near as good as TDK, and as of right now it's not even in my top 3 FoX-Men movies. I think X2, DOFP, and FC are better movies but I can see it possibly edging out FC with another watch. I however, love the ending and how Mangold decided to retire the character.

I agree with you here. Really good, nice coda for Jackman, but not even the best of the x movies to my eyes.

 

[pturtle]

Yeah but the mutant holocaust happens off screen, which I'm fine with because I hate exposition, and evil Wolvie is literally the same thing evil you always is, which is mute evil mirror antagonist with opposite colors that only goes forward and doesn't go back and it's always an allegory for the [insert character defect] within.

Maybe I'll change my mind come second viewing, if it seems I'm being nitpicky I probably am, I'm not knocking this movie by any means, these are just very specific criticisms of my own, and not necessarily of flaws of the movie, but things that I think could be a little better.

I still would love if CBMs were like this movie in a lot of ways, and not, well, MCU.

I don't remember having this few criticisms for a CBM in a while, good movie.

The mutant holocaust I was referring was from DOFP, an example to show he lived a in far worse future where 95% of the X-Men were dead. His trauma if anything was keeping Charles safe, and medicated enough to help him forget what he did to the X-Men. Personally I just think he's old, washed up and the glory days of being an X-Man are finished. He doesn't really have anything to live for. Everyone he's gotten close to in every single one of these films has died.

I don't know, usually the evil character acts like a douche (Superman 3 - evil Superman) X24 just seemed like an animal, it was being controlled, I actually felt bad for X24, they were literally talking to him like he was a pet. It's hard to even call it evil since he didn't really have a personality, he was being brainwashed or conditioned. I saw him more as a weapon/pet, like Logan use to be.

Well, I enjoyed the movie, and there's certainly things I feel could have been done better, and I respect you issues with the movie, I had the same issues on my first viewing, but after my second viewing, to me X24 and the ending elevate the movie.

I think the movie is about a 7.5-8/10 so I'm not one of the people here that think it's perfect.

 

[GasparZizou]

A 7 for me.

 

[pturtle]

Yea I had the same score the first time. Hopefully the movie improves for you with another viewing.


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[GasparZizou]

Wait are you saying this universe is in the DOFP original timeline where the sentinel holocaust happens and all the world goes to **** including humans, or did I misread? Because the world in this movie is perfectly functional and non-postapocalyptic, there just arent many mutants left.

I thought this world was just a "what if" with some random stuff referenced.

Or DOFP "fixed" timeline?

 

[pturtle]

Wait are you saying this universe is in the DOFP original timeline where the sentinel holocaust happens and all the world goes to **** including humans, or did I misread? Because the world in this movie is perfectly functional and non-postapocalyptic, there just arent many mutants left.

I thought this world was just a "what if" with some random stuff referenced.

Or DOFP "fixed" timeline?

This movie takes place 5 years after the happy DOFP ending.

This Wolverine though is the one from Origins, X1, X2, X3 , The Wolverine and DOFP. He has the memories of that Logan.

I don't think anyone really knows the answer, even the people who worked on the movie whether this is part of the timeline or a one-off but based on some comments made by Logan in the movie and comments made by Kinberg and Mangold, as of now it seems this movie takes place 5 years after Logan waking up in the X mansion with all the X-Men alive.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

This movie takes place 5 years after the happy DOFP ending.

This Wolverine though is the one from Origins, X1, X2, X3 and The Wolverine. He has the memories of that Logan.

I don't think anyone really knows the answer, even the people who worked on the movie whether this is part of the timeline or a one-off but based on some comments made by Logan in the movie and comments made by Kinberg and Mangold, as of now it seems this movie takes place 5 years after Logan waking up in the X mansion with all the X-Men alive.

Damn, a lot happened in 5 years, but it's not impossible.

 

[pturtle]

Yea it's pretty ridiculous




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[GasparZizou]

This movie takes place 5 years after the happy DOFP ending.

This Wolverine though is the one from Origins, X1, X2, X3 , The Wolverine and DOFP. He has the memories of that Logan.

I don't think anyone really knows the answer, even the people who worked on the movie whether this is part of the timeline or a one-off but based on some comments made by Logan in the movie and comments made by Kinberg and Mangold, as of now it seems this movie takes place 5 years after Logan waking up in the X mansion with all the X-Men alive.

Oh ok, for a second I thought you meant the original DOFP timeline.

5 years huh? Charles aged like milk under the sun then

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yea it's pretty ridiculous




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Well, Charles and Logan got sick, and Charles alone could have killed every mutant using cerebro, so I think it's totally possible.

If it was a year, then I'd say it's silly, but 5 years seems reasonable.

 

[pturtle]

I think they say that most the mutants are killed off by Transigen poisoning the food or something.

For all we know some of the X-Men could have died like that too, but it seems they were killed off by Charles.


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[ironwez20]

Kinda sad how the Xmen never had a happy ending. They always all died in some crazy and now they all got killed by Charles. Imo I think this should be the last xmen movie. Continue on with the deadpoole series if you want but this feels like the fitting end. Anything else xmen that comes out not may just crap on this movie's good name. Don't want another apocalypse.

 

[DiFabio]

moment the way Newt did with "Mommy."

Eh, I always thought that was lame and forced.

 

[KryptoSlush]

The Transgien concoction doesn't kill mutants, it breeds them out of the system through food over a long period of time, altering the genetic makeup of the human race so that new no mutants are born. That way Transgien can create their own mutants and sell them to the highest bidder as weapons.

Very appropriate subject matter for the world we live in.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't get what places TDK so out of reach that even Logan is unworthy of being near its presence.

What, the interrogation scene, the dramatic Gordon speech at the end, what is it that makes it untouchable?

Because Logan had 3, count them, 3 interrogation quality scenes!

What, the acting?

Sure Joker is now a legendary part of cinematic history so lets just admit that he carried that entire movie because it certainly wasn't the action.

Logan's acting was just as good anyways.

Logan surpasses TDK for me because at least the violence was present to back up its drama.

TDK had that silly boat bomb test.

 

[karamazov80]

I don't get what places TDK so out of reach that even Logan is unworthy of being near its presence. [emoji38]

What, the interrogation scene, the dramatic Gordon speech at the end, what is it that makes it untouchable?

Because Logan had 3, count them, 3 interrogation quality scenes! [emoji38]

What, the acting?

Sure Joker is now a legendary part of cinematic history so lets just admit that he carried that entire movie because it certainly wasn't the action.

Logan's acting was just as good anyways.

Logan surpasses TDK for me because at least the violence was present to back up its drama.

TDK had that silly boat bomb test. [emoji38]

It's the full package for me. You could make similar arguments that random, recent critically acclaimed movie (Moonlight for example) did everything really, really well. But it's still never going to be comparable to Chinatown or Citizen Kane. And Dark Knight isn't those movies, but it is relatively in the comic movie context.

Yea it's pretty ridiculous [emoji38]




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You just have to roll with the silly timeline issues. I don't for a second think that this movie logically follows dofp.

Kinda sad how the Xmen never had a happy ending. They always all died in some crazy and now they all got killed by Charles. Imo I think this should be the last xmen movie. Continue on with the deadpoole series if you want but this feels like the fitting end. Anything else xmen that comes out not may just crap on this movie's good name. Don't want another apocalypse.

Totally in line with the comics. This is why mcu taking over would be all kinds of wrong.

 

[DiFabio]

I don't get what places TDK so out of reach that even Logan is unworthy of being near its presence.

1. It's Batman

2. something something serious something something realistic something something grounded something something gritty

3. car transforms into a bike

4. Gary Oldman as Ned Flanders

5.

 

[pturtle]

In my opinion, TDK is just a far more ambitious film, that goes more in depth with Batman character than Logan does with Wolverine. It really explores a bunch of themes set up in Batman Begins, almost every major character are central to the plot.

A character like Two Face, who isn't even the main villain of the movie is more fleshed out than almost every character in Logan, and his arc fits perfectly within one of the major themes of the movie, he's not just there to be there. Compare that to the main villain of Logan, if you take Donald Pierce out that movie, not much changes. I like Boyd's performance but he's not really important to the story or the Wolverine character at all.

I'm not a Batman fan at all, I only like Nolan's Batman. So things like his voice, costume, or fighting style compared to the comics or other movies have no effect on me, I think Bale's Batman is perfect for the Nolan universe. He's not too cool, he's not perfect, he's not badass 100% of the time, he's a flawed Batman which is why I like him more than any other version I've seen. Jackman's Wolverine is the same for me, people think he's too soft, but to me that makes him more realistic and stops him from becoming unbelievable.


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[jye4ever]

Don't forget the 60 story fall from a high rise with not even a scratch on Rachel.